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A philosophical question of states
« on: March 06, 2016, 04:20:30 PM »
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Given: I have a room in which the windows can be opened, and a door in this room that closes it off to the rest of the building.

Proposition: By closing this door to the building and opening the window, the room now qualifies as a partially enclosed outdoor deck/porch rather than an interior room.

Commence your arguments for or against.

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Re: A philosophical question of states
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2016, 06:04:34 PM »
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Requested elaborations: Is the room suspended from the ground itself, i.e. not on the first floor of the building; how big are the windows, and how many of them are there; is the room convex from the side of the building, or is it contained within the flat of the rest of the exterior of the building.


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Re: A philosophical question of states
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2016, 06:09:48 PM »
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I'd hoped to keep this as broad as possible, but let's say the windows of the room are flush with the rest of the building (the room does not protrude in any way). Elevation is irrelevant, and the windows are only on one or two walls connected by a shared vertex.
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Re: A philosophical question of states
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2016, 08:50:17 PM »
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From a purely rational standpoint, I argue against, as the room does not protrude and its matter is not specified--though based on knowing it is not separate from the rest of the building, I am assuming it is not made of wooden planks--and because of those two things should not be considered a conventional deck.

From a more philosophical standpoint, I argue for, as the entrance to the inside is sealed while the entrance to the outside is open.


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Re: A philosophical question of states
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2016, 10:31:18 AM »
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It is only a deck or a porch if it is at an entrance of the building. You said there is one door that closes it off from the rest of the building, so that cannot be a door that is used to enter the building itself.

Since a window does not qualify as proper entrance and the only door closes it off from the rest of the building, the room does not qualify as a deck or porch.

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Re: A philosophical question of states
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2016, 08:10:29 PM »
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Given: I have a room in which the windows can be opened, and a door in this room that closes it off to the rest of the building.

Proposition: By closing this door to the building and opening the window, the room now qualifies as a partially enclosed outdoor deck/porch rather than an interior room.

Commence your arguments for or against.


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Or at the very least if it is a deck or porch I'm getting the barbecue because shoot, let's get some cooking done and hope I don't burn the place down.
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Re: A philosophical question of states
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2016, 09:38:53 PM »
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I would argue that a deck requires two entry points; one to the internal space, one to the external space.

In philosophy the only point you could have a window as an entry would be if the windows were floor-to-ceiling in height and could be traversed through, almost like a door or bi-fold door.

I would also put forth that you can have an open deck, even if it has a ceiling, insulation etc. However, if you then enclose this by way of wall, glazing or operable doors or both, the deck basically becomes a multi-purpose space which could be considered a house extension of sorts.

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Re: A philosophical question of states
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2016, 09:25:57 PM »
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Are you trying to outsmart your council?

Believe it or not, this whole thread is just me intellectually trolling you guys for my own amusement.

I just had my window open and door closed the other day and thought of the question.
How not to be a dark lord: the answer to that is a terribly interesting answer that involves an almost Jedi-like adherence to keeping oneself under control and finding ways to be true to yourself in a way that doesn't encourage the worst parts of you to become dangerously exaggerated and instead feeds your better nature. Also, protip: don't fuck with Alchemy or strike up any deals with ancient Japanese Shinigami gods no matter how tempting the deal or how suavely dressed the Shinigami is.

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Re: A philosophical question of states
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2016, 12:13:53 AM »
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Believe it or not, this whole thread is just me intellectually trolling you guys for my own amusement.

So you believe that trolling people is an intellectual thing to do?

Believe it or not I would've liked you better if you'd said yes, because I would've actually thought I was assisting someone with a real dilemma.
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Re: A philosophical question of states
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2016, 03:02:27 AM »
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So you believe that trolling people is an intellectual thing to do?

It got you guys to use your noodles, practice some classical arguing and amused me at the same time. I call that a win-win.

I would've actually thought I was assisting someone with a real dilemma.

Wh-what dilemma did you think I was having?  :o
I'm curious how you got "dilemma" out of the phrasing of the question.

But in any case, nope. Just trying to start some good old fashioned Socratic dialog to pass the time.
And I'd have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.
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Re: A philosophical question of states
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2016, 06:29:59 AM »
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I think it would've been better to not disclose your troll behaviour, there.

Still, there IS a room that fits all of these criteria.  We have them in Ecuador.
It's a Solarium.

A Solarium is an enclosed space that may or may not be part of a larger building, with an entrance leading to it, and windows everywhere to let in the sun.  That's why it's a 'solarium'.  It is a beautiful place to sit and read or nap with a hammock, etc.  But it can be closed and all the windows opened and be 'airy.

They usually are placed in ground floor or 2nd floor corners of a building or house.
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Re: A philosophical question of states
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2016, 12:27:19 PM »
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Urge to move to Ecuador...rising!


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Re: A philosophical question of states
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2016, 08:33:23 PM »
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You don't need to move to Ecuador to get a Solarium. I live in northwestern Canada and there are several houses in my home town that have Solariums. In the winter time they're all enclosed, but when the summer time rolls around the windows are wide open.
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Re: A philosophical question of states
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2016, 12:46:47 AM »
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Either that or move to fish-chips-cup'o'tea-Mary f****n Poppins-London.
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Re: A philosophical question of states
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2016, 02:20:15 AM »
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Oh! A sun room!
It can also be a green house of some sorts.

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