Topic: What if...

[Sindra]

Aria of Sorrow
Dawn of Sorrow
Lament of Innocence

They don't have Dracula, yet they are called Castlevania, the Sorrow games kinda has dracula and LoI doesn't have him at all.

• Aria of Sorrow <---- Has Dracula's reincarnation, features a Belmont and Dracula's son, and actually takes place in Castlevania
• Dawn of Sorrow <---- Has all of the above, except the castle is now modeled after Castlevania
• Lament of Innocence <---- Has Pre-Dracula Dracula, begins the feud with the Belmonts, and also takes place in Castlevania

So yes, they do have a version of Dracula, and also a Belmont and the titular castle. The 3 basic staples of the series. The question that is being posed is, would a game that was based on the Lords of Shadow themselves still work as a LoS Castlevania game.

In my opinion, you would need 2 of the 3 of those basic staples incorporated into the game in order to call it a Castlevania title. A game based on the Lords of Shadow pre-Gabriel would only have, based on the current information, 1 of these 3. (Carmilla's castle is the Pre!Castlevania) Therefore that alone would not constitute being able to be called a Castlevania title.

That being said, they could certainly shill certain elements that have been in the continuity and expand upon them in order to circumvent going without the other 2 basic staples. For instance they could expand on the Rinardo Gandolfi story and the creation of the "Vampire Killer", as well as tying in the Cronqvists to perhaps be connected to the Lords of Shadow themselves. (therefore, pulling a "Lament" card out of their hat like was done with Lament itself) This would tangentially relate story elements to the other two staples needed to make it a true Castlevania game.....though rather loosely and probably in an incredibly convoluted way.

You might as well go back to the old canon and scrape together side-stories from there, if you're going that route. You'll probably end up with more to work with.

[beingthehero]

I guess if they went that route, they could just simply make Lords of Shadow its own unique series, independent from Castlevania.

[KaZudra]

Lament Doesn't have Dracula at all, it has the man that becomes Dracula.... within the 382 years between the end of LoI and the start of Cv:III.
arguably the focus of Lament wasn't Dracula, but the Vampire Killer itself, Throughout the game you learn that Mathias was a great alchemist who obtained the Crimson Stone and cursed God for letting his beloved die of Illness.
The Epilogue of the game, much like Lords of Shadow, reveals that the subject character is Dracula.


Aria of Sorrow, I'll take that one back, you are in Castle that is trying to invoke it's master...

Dawn of Sorrow on the other hand really shouldn't of existed... Soma could go Drac but not if you equip the right stuff... and the whole Dark Candidates thing really didn't have enough credible back-story to be buy-able... but it was fun though....

now back to a Lords of Shadow Prequel, the story would go down like this;
You play as the founding members of the Brotherhood of light and follow them as their fall as Lord of Shadow....
Plot will follow the skirmishes of their dark forms to set the conditions of LoS1, thus betraying the brotherhood and sabotaging a certain Belmont.
Carmilla goes to the castle, Zobek initates Dracula + Belmont, the 3 Basic staples of the series.

[beingthehero]

IGA already stated that Mathias took on the name Vlad Tepes Dracula when he fled from Leon.

The moment that nigga took Walter's soul and had both the ebony and the crimson stone, Mathias for all intents and purposes died and Dracula was born.

[Lelygax]

Aria of Sorrow
Dawn of Sorrow
Lament of Innocence

They don't have Dracula, yet they are called Castlevania, the Sorrow games kinda has dracula and LoI doesn't have him at all.

Umm no? They have Dracula in LoI, the fact that he isnt Dracula yet doesnt mean its not there. Also they feature a Belmont, thwe whip and Castlevania (Castlevania in AoS and DoS). I said that a game without any of these features couldnt be called Castlevania, but these feature at least 3 of them xD

[Foffy]

IGA already stated that Mathias took on the name Vlad Tepes Dracula when he fled from Leon.

The moment that nigga took Walter's soul and had both the ebony and the crimson stone, Mathias for all intents and purposes died and Dracula was born.

I thought Mathias took the name Vlad Tepes, but took the name Dracula just before he started his way with humanity. I think that would also explain why Adrian Tepes is not called Adrian Tepes Dracula.

[Lelygax]

Dracula isnt a real name, its more like a title that he adopted as a name later.

[Bergaron]

Be the next castlevania: NO.

Replace the classical CV in the future: NO.

Try KONAMI use the "lore" of LOS and get something like that:   100% (money called money, SF, AC, CoD ...)  and Konami already tried. We could see some of the "old lore" LOS in LOS2? (perhaps .., DLC, expansion)

The history continue into the future:   almost impossible to continue the story into the future but very possible into the past (has history for one or two games).

[Kale]

Personally the think the order thing in LoS is another stupid thing about LoS. They talk about an order, but nothing is shown. And the only one that shows up *Spoiler Alert* is Zobek, who's one of the original. It's just funny how the order only has 4 members, and 3 of them are founders. ( I know, it could have more but was unshown, but when you have something in the focus area, you should elaborate more and build it.)

I have yet to play the other game, Mirror of Fate, so maybe it was added in there. I don't know... but it just seems bad.

It leaves me wondering... is Gabriel exceptional? Are all of the order super powerful that they rape High Ranking Vampires, Demons, and Werewolves?

So I can't say I'd really be interested, couple that with my annoyances with LoS... eh....

[Pfil]

Be the next castlevania: NO.

Replace the classical CV in the future: NO.

Try KONAMI use the "lore" of LOS and get something like that:   100% (money called money, SF, AC, CoD ...)  and Konami already tried. We could see some of the "old lore" LOS in LOS2? (perhaps .., DLC, expansion)

The history continue into the future:   almost impossible to continue the story into the future but very possible into the past (has history for one or two games).

Thanks for the info 
Are you hinting that my initial guess has some foundations on reality?

I mean, like in the future we'll have more classic CV games but also more LoS games (like Call of Duty have Modern Warfare as a separate saga, or (God forbid us) Megaman have the Battle Network games?).

[uzo]

As far as the LoS series is concerned, on it's own, segregated from the Castlevania name; sure, that would be really cool. It is an important part of the story, which doesn't need explicit detailing but could be the foundation for a great game of it's own, especially if you're given, say, a team of three at once.

[Pfil]

A game that plays like Castlevania III, where you play as a Gabriel ancestor (who still has nothing to do with vampires), who, in his journey, happens to cross paths with Carmilla, Zobek and Cornell.
And from then, he is aided by these 3 characters (and betrayed at the end, perhaps).

[uzo]

Actually I think the game would fare better if it moves completely away from Gabriel, and any possible lineage. Focus on Zobek instead. Even Carmilla being the lead would be interesting, but I think ability wise, form a gameplay perspective, Zobek is the best 'first character'.

[Dracula9]

I thought Mathias took the name Vlad Tepes, but took the name Dracula just before he started his way with humanity. I think that would also explain why Adrian Tepes is not called Adrian Tepes Dracula.

Dracula as a name originates to Vlad II (the father of Prince Vlad the Impaler), took the surname of Dracul, which is Romanian literal for "the dragon," after his administration to the Order of the Dragon in 1431. Following in his father's footsteps, Vlad III altered it to "Dracula," the added "a" changing it to mean "son of Dracul," A.K.A. "son of the Dragon." In more modern translations of the name, its meaning shifted to become "the Devil," rather than "the Dragon," which undoubtedly contributed to the current projection we, at least in the Castlevania fandom, have of Dracula.

But nobody cares about Radu. Radu goes unloved. I guess being good-looking as shit doesn't mean much when your brother has a hobby of making kabob forests out of people.

I'm sure Mathias would have taken up the surname for reasons just as similar. Since mythical creatures are abound in the Castlevania universe, I would imagine that the name would instill fear due to the implicated existence of actual dragons, which would surely be creatures to fear on levels as Vampires and the higher demonkind. That, or he interpreted it as "Devil," as took it to further dictate his mockery and rebellion against God. Either way, it makes sense in the series' plot context, since the "son of" part becomes less of a patriarchal respect thing and more of a declaration of being the offspring of such horrible and fearful monsters and beings.

[X]

Lament of Innocence <---- Has Pre-Dracula Dracula, begins the feud with the Belmonts, and also takes place in Castlevania

Takes place in castlevania..? I have my doubts about this since I've yet to see any info stating that the castle in LoI is indeed castlevania. What's more is that LoI doesn't take place in Romania where castlevania was "born" essentially. The castle itself was Walter's and Walter never created castlevania. Dracula created it. Also the castle itself only appears in it's home country of Romania every game. It appears no where else and that's because Romania is it's homeland where it was created and where it partially draws its power. I think walter's castle is like the ones featured in CotM, DoS and Bloodlines. They are similar to Castlevania but are not castlevania. And unlike castlevania, they do not resurrect.

Jeez, say all these castlevanias is making me tongue-tied