Topic: Richter Belmont vs. Gabriel (Dracula)

[The Puritan]

How to make Richter win in 3 (top-secret) steps:

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Hydro Storm!

Richter won?
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-No (go to 2)

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Repeat step 1.

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Stage Clear.

In short:

HYDRO STORM!

[KaZudra]

My vote's on Gabriel, if the LoS-verse Vampire Killer is effective on Satan and Gabriel just Shatters it effortlessly, plus no Belmont is yet to defeat him...

Richter is great and all, but all he really has going for him is his martial arts, Juste can Item Crash around Richter for years and Julius beats him in raw power.

[darkwzrd4]

Let's also remember that in SotN Richter's crush attacks (especially Hydro Storm) were overpowered. If you want to use Richter in a crossover, you use RoB as a reference and not SotN. In RoB, the crush attacks aren't so overpowered and using him in that context is be most accurate when comparing characters.

[Flame]

and Julius beats him in raw power.

I think we can all agree that Julius would beat Gabula any day. This is the guy that when asked how he beats regenerating enemies that require sealing away to defeat,he said he doesn't know, he just beats them until they stop regenerating . let me reiterate: this is the guy who can kill red skeletons.

[darkwzrd4]

I think we can all agree that Julius would beat Gabula any day. This is the guy that when asked how he beats regenerating enemies that require sealing away to defeat,he said he doesn't know, he just beats them until they stop regenerating . let me reiterate: this is the guy who can kill red skeletons.

Lets also keep in mind that he is able to do this at age 56. Just imagine how powerful he was in his prime. By the way, he didn't beat them until they they stopped regenerating. He beat them before they had a chance to heal meaning that he was able to deliver enough damage fast enough that the monitors couldn't recover. Or, at least that is how I've always understood it.

[X]

If you want to use Richter in a crossover, you use RoB as a reference and not SotN.

And why can't you use SotN Richter? He's canon, and even if he is overpowered, I'd put him up against Gabula any day if Julius wasn't available just cause.

Juste can Item Crash around Richter

I've played HoD several times and I've yet to see Juste actually have any real overpowered magical attacks. however if you are referring to the amount of magic he has then yes I can agree. But that's only because Juste was given the RPG system rather then then classic CV system. But then there is the PoR's version of Richter and he also uses the RPG system as well ie magic regenerates.

[uzo]

@Flame

That's a very good point. The Vampire Killer would likely be extremely effective against Gabe after the vampire transformation. I can't believe I didn't think to factor that in.

[Belmontoya]

They pretty much did face off in rondo and richter wins. 

Richter would back flip whip the crap out of Gabriel.

[Intersection]

They pretty much did face off in rondo and richter wins.

Exactly. Technically, Richter has already fought Gabriel (who, after all, is Dracula), and defeated him.

In a way, it's yet another reason why the LoS and canon timelines shouldn't quite be mixed...
Although, there aren't any specific plot devices in the LoS saga that suggest that Richter hadn't met Gabriel as Dracula. Even if the LoS continuity contradicts the plot of many older CV games, I've always considered that the lore LoS left untouched (such as Richter's confrontation) would remain valid in both timelines. Unless LoS was meant to be an entirely blank slate?

[darkwzrd4]

Exactly. Technically, Richter has already fought Gabriel (who, after all, is Dracula), and defeated him.

In a way, it's yet another reason why the LoS and canon timelines shouldn't quite be mixed...
Although, there aren't any specific plot devices in the LoS saga that suggest that Richter hadn't met Gabriel as Dracula. Even if the LoS continuity contradicts the plot of many older CV games, I've always considered that the lore LoS left untouched (such as Richter's confrontation) would remain valid in both timelines. Unless LoS was meant to be an entirely blank slate?

LoS is a reboot which is by definition a blank slate. It is a completely separate universe.

[Intersection]

LoS is a reboot which is by definition a blank slate. It is a completely separate universe.

Right, then. In any case, it serves my point well.

And, in the end, it might as well come to which universe you set the confrontation in.

[Belmontoya]

I have a custom Richter character in my Soul Calibur 4 game. This thread is making consider whipping up a Gabriel to have this showdown.

If they fight in the Soul Calibur universe, it's a fair fight because it's neutral ground. 

[Flame]

But it would be Belmont Gabe, not Dracula Gabe. Unless you make them both

[e105beta]

@Flame

That's a very good point. The Vampire Killer would likely be extremely effective against Gabe after the vampire transformation. I can't believe I didn't think to factor that in.

Actually, doesn't Dracula tell Simon in Mirror of Fate that the Vampire Killer has no power over him? I mean, you have to factor in the fact that it's weakened by the time Simon gets his hands on it, but it didn't seem to help Trevor much against him in their first battle even at its full strength.

But then, that's the LoS-verse Vampire Killer, and whether or not it has any special powers is debatable. The games hint at it, but never conclusively say it outright. The Original-verse Vampire Killer may be far more effective.

[uzo]

@e105beta

You answered your own question. The LoS Vampire Killer is just a standard weapon, without the same effect as the original canon's Vampire Killer. It works on creatures of the night in general, and arguably more effective against Dracula personally. While the latter may not apply since it is a different Dracula, it most certainly has an effect since gabe is now a creature of the night.