Topic: In which continuity should a future Castlevania game be set?

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

Uhm, I would like to add that Drac was not at full power during Symphony (this is also proven during the Alucard Dracula dialogue in Judgment). So, I think only the Belmonts can kill him at full power.

Anyway, correct me if I recall wrongly.

Is judgement even canon?

Or a side game?

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

@Intersection,

Can you provide proof that only Trevor and Julius beat him at full power?

I recall Simon being amongst them as well.


And I did not mention Soma since i was referring to heroes who have beaten Dracula himself, not his source of power and whatnot.

[Nagumo]

In SotN, Dracula is not at full power. He wasn't either when Trevor fought him strangely enough, but that's what it says in Judgment. So the persons who defeated Dracula at full power are Christopher, Simon, Richter, Quincy Morris, and Julius. Alucard defeats fully powered Dracula in the time rift.

[Intersection]

In SotN, Dracula is not at full power. He wasn't either when Trevor fought him strangely enough, but that's what it says in Judgment. So the persons who defeated Dracula at full power are Christopher, Simon, Richter, Quincy Morris, and Julius. Alucard defeats fully powered Dracula in the time rift.

I'm inclined to agree with DarkPrinceAlucard here. Judgment isn't canon, so I'm not sure if it makes for a good reference.

@Intersection,

Can you provide proof that only Trevor and Julius beat him at full power?

Trevor was the first Belmont (after Leon) to confront Dracula. Between LoI and DC, Mathias's power grows unhindered for centuries. It's only logical for Trevor to have encountered Dracula at his full power.
As for Julius, it's more of an implicit assumption. His victory was a definitive one, permanently sealing Dracula into an eclipse; it's set up to be one of Castlevania's most climactic battles, so the general consensus is that Julius fought Dracula when the latter had regained all of his strength.

Every other Belmont fought Dracula almost immediately after his resurrection. There's been enough emphasis on his weakened state after his successive reincarnations in the series to assume that he was most often defeated before being allowed to reach his full power.

He's just showing an example of ye olde Bela Lugosi-influenced look, what's wrong with the example happening to be from MAHVEL?

Eh, just an old good-natured joke. I'm just as much a fan of classic Dracula artwork as anyone on these forums.
Although I can't say I'm the greatest Marvel enthusiast...

[Lumi Kløvstad]

I'd love to see a return to the N64 continuity; there was real promise in that one for some properly moody yet irreverent (irrevenant? ) fun.

Not to mention that the N64 games are still my favorite attempts at Castlevania in 3D.

[Ratty]

I always considered a lot of the talk of Dracula not being at full power to be intended as fluff like "We have to stop him before he regains his full power! Oh wait too late, well we'll beat him anyway." But I suppose that's likely my own misconception, though I'd like to lay it on the imprecision and vagaries of translation.

Eh, just an old good-natured joke. I'm just as much a fan of classic Dracula artwork as anyone on these forums.
Although I can't say I'm the greatest Marvel enthusiast...

I dunno, Marvel's Tomb of Dracula series from the 1970s were pretty good, the more adult oriented black and white "magazines" they had for that could be pretty disturbing sometimes. Dunno anything about this new series since I don't follow modern comics. But from what I've read of the 70s Marvel material he was a pure evil, egotistical but magnificent bastard who survived the loneliness and other pains of the undead curse through sheer force of will.
His self description from Tomb of Dracula #15 "I am Dracula, and be me born of human flesh or vampire blood, I am still Dracula... and that is all I ever ask to be."

[chainsawmidget]

I haven't read much of Marvel's Dracula since they put him in red armor and made him albino, but classic Marvel Dracula was great.  There was just such pure evil and arrogance in the character, yet he still managed to pull of being charming, and the artwork was just great. 

[JayDominus]

On the one hand I feel LOS continuity needs more love. On the other hand, it's refreshing to see a studio wanting to really end a successful saga, so... new continuity it is.

[Nagumo]

I'm inclined to agree with DarkPrinceAlucard here. Judgment isn't canon, so I'm not sure if it makes for a good reference.

I don't think there is any indication that it isn't supposed to be, so I have to disagree on this one.   

[X]

I don't believe Judgment is canon. IGA did state (correct me if I'm wrong) that Judgment was it's own story, existing outside the main CV Canon. Think of it like the LoS games. They exist in their own universe. Judgment is it's own universe and the original continuity that we all grew up with is it's own universe.

[Nagumo]

I would have agreed with you if that was the case, but IGA never said anything of the sort. I'm pretty sure the characters are supposed to be from the main universe, except Cornell. 

[chainsawmidget]

The very fact that we're having a discussion where people aren't even sure which games are canon should tell you the original timeline might just be beyond saving. 

[darkwzrd4]

The very fact that we're having a discussion where people aren't even sure which games are canon should tell you the original timeline might just be beyond saving.

Agreed. The reason is that over the 25 years of it's existence, there have been multiple people leading the franchise each with their own ideas of where to take the series. Considering that and the fact that games weren't done in order and just shoehorned in the timeline, it isn't surprising that the timeline is in the state that it is in. Not to mention that certain games were removed from the official cannon thus changing the overall story and creating plot holes.

What MS did is that they created their own timeline just for their games with a clear plan and decided to keep is limited to only a few games. Plus, they gave their timeline a clear beginning and are giving it a clear end with no room to continue this timeline. No room for plot holes what so ever. Just a coherent story told over the course of 3 games. All of which are made and released over the course of a few years.

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

The very fact that we're having a discussion where people aren't even sure which games are canon should tell you the original timeline might just be beyond saving.

You would have a point if it where not for the fact that we are talking about a castlevania fighting game as opposed to one that is part of the main series of adventure games.

We all know which ones are canon and none canon or more specifically what IGA considered canon, but Judgement which to me feels like a side game in its own universe due to it being a fighting game and the character's altered appearances has been up for debate as of late.

So lets not try to make this whole thing as black and white as "The old series was a mess and you guys are proving its beyond saving" type of deal.

Seems everyone just likes to take subtle jabs at the old series as of late...

[Gamermeister]

The old series is indeed a mess as far as storytelling is concerned. It should have ended with SotN. Perhaps picking back up with Soma's whole reincarnation thing, but still. Those games were built for gameplay, not story logistics, which is fine. Or was. Now, there is no reason to ignore one for the other.

I'm entirely on board with either Staying with the LoS universe a little while longer or starting from scratch again. The LoS universe still has and will have plenty of stories to tell, though not including Dracula. The Belmonts obviously continued after Simon, so one can presume they continued the legacy of Simon since we get Victor in LoS 2. Richter, Johnathan Morris, etc. could all have their own games, just without having Drac as the big bad. Richter could face off against Shaft, and Morris could aim to stop Brauner, was it?

Potential there, I say.

[darkwzrd4]

The old series is indeed a mess as far as storytelling is concerned. It should have ended with SotN. Perhaps picking back up with Soma's whole reincarnation thing, but still. Those games were built for gameplay, not story logistics, which is fine. Or was. Now, there is no reason to ignore one for the other.

I'm entirely on board with either Staying with the LoS universe a little while longer or starting from scratch again. The LoS universe still has and will have plenty of stories to tell, though not including Dracula. The Belmonts obviously continued after Simon, so one can presume they continued the legacy of Simon since we get Victor in LoS 2. Richter, Johnathan Morris, etc. could all have their own games, just without having Drac as the big bad. Richter could face off against Shaft, and Morris could aim to stop Brauner, was it?

Potential there, I say.

Except that MS already said that the LoS timeline will end with LoS2. Besides, Brauner was killed by Gabriel in LoS1. Yes, Simon's descendants could have continued to fight monsters over the centuries, but without Dracula in some form, it isn't a CV game. He is always in the games in some way.