Topic: Zelda: A Link between Worlds (Got it today!)

[KaZudra]

personally, I wouldn't mind seeing another four-swords adventure, maybe up the ante with OoT style mapping

[Inccubus]

One thing about this game, it's very,very quick. Got it on release day beat it last night. Got most of the hearts, lv 2 sword, over half of the memai(?).

Over all not a bad game but I am one not to give every Zelda title a BJ and give a 9.0 + to me it's a solid 8.5. The non linear approach is very welcome but that's about it for me. I dislike the graphic style. It comes of to me as bright, yet plain especially when compared to say SS, or even other handheld titles that to me had some very good details like say minish cap or even LA/OOA/OOS. Sure it's bright and colorful, but it just comes off as plain to me or maybe it's the character models as well that bug me. It's odd for me to explain it but just because it's bright does not mean that it's detailed or anything some of the dungeons look cool I like the fire temple but that's about it. Compared to say Fire emblem awakening or even Kid Icarus it does not wow me. While the music was good, some nice remixes there. I don't think it's as good as Alttp. I'm not having any bias or anything but I feel that this Zelda game is a good step in the right direction and the non linear concept is okay with me but this game to me at least is not as OMG as other are putting it. Did I enjoy it? Yes. Was it good? Yes. Is it the best Zelda game? No. Did it blow my mind? Besides the non linear aspect, no. To me it's very good game much better than SS that's about it.

Sshhhhh!! The secret is that the entire point of this game was for Aonuma to try classic Zelda with non linear game play for the lowest possible cost.

So, I finished it and I thought it was fun but the story was weak and the dungeons were a little too short and easy

That again is Aonuma's influence. The guy is on record as stating that he found Zelda 1 too difficult and has never beaten it to this day. I think I read that in a NintendoLife article IIRC. So it doesn't surprise me. Look at the rest of his games, they're all easy in comparison to the old games.

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Also just wrapped up this title too. While I'm not a fan of their lazy reuse of the Dark world, the story itself and the concept was interesting.

Is it a good game? Yes, for the most part.

Is it a great game? Not really, and those reasons are previously stated in my earlier posts. Overall I enjoyed it despite my cussing and cursing at parts that annoyed me. I do hope that the next time another 3Ds Zelda game comes out it will have a little more overworld originality put into it. I wouldn't mind seeing a game that happens after the events of The Adventures of Link.

I totally agree. They should have made some new assets for Lorule instead of reusing the Dark World graphics. It would have reduced the "WTF? I thought the Darkworld was gone?" reactions some of us had initially.
On the other hand I would have been annoyed if they used too much "overworld originality" in the case of this game since it IS a direct sequel to ALttP. What would have kicked ass is they had just expanded it a little so that you could, for instance, allowing you to travel behind death mountain into the area where Zelda 1 takes place. That would have been pretty neat.


Now all of that said, can one of you gents let me know if the game in anyway explains why this link is able to get the Master Sword that was supposed to be sleeping "forever"?

EDIT by Moderation: Merged post

[X]

What would have kicked ass is they had just expanded it a little so that you could, for instance, allowing you to travel behind death mountain into the area where Zelda 1 takes place. That would have been pretty neat.

According to the Zelda II map what lays beyond death mountain is the northern region of Hyrule. That's where Zelda the 1st is currently resting (within the North Palace). The realm of Zelda I (south of Death Mountain) is in essence where Zelda's AlttP and recently AlbW's takes place. Here's some visual confirmation in case you're not sure about what I'm referring to;

http://www.zeldalegends.net/files/games/zelda2/maps/z2worldmap.gif

http://shockingvideogamesecrets.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/hyrule-map.jpg

http://zs.ffshrine.org/link-to-the-past/maps/light_world-1.png

But I do agree that expanding the game northward would have added more substance to the game. We only ever got to see it in Zelda II unfortunately.

[Inccubus]

Yeah, I know about all that stuff. But some points.
* Zelda 3's map never really jived with the Zelda 1 or 2 maps.
* Below of the Zelda 1 map is ocean on the right side and solid mountains on the left as shown on the Zelda 2 map data which doesn't jive with the Zelda 3 map at all which clearly shows a fringe of hills/mountains.
* The only way it ever made sense to me at all is if you flip one of the maps over. Only then does it more or less fit the area around North Palace on the Zelda 2 map.
* The only other possibility is if the Zelda 3 map actually exists to the left of the death mountain area of the Zelda 2 map. And after taking a good look at the maps of most of the series I can say for certain spinning the Zelda 3 map 90 degrees clockwise and placing it on the left side of the Zelda 2 map is the only way it makes any sense. That and the maps of the Aonuma games don't make much damn sense with each other let alone with the maps of the classic games.

Speaking of the Zelda 2 story, I have a feeling they are going to have to either retcon that plot or come up with some really convoluted explanation as Zelda the First is clearly not the Zelda from Skyward Sword. And given that she existed prior to the Kingdom of Hyrule there's some 'splaining to do!

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

That's not really a problem.  The Zelda II "Sleeping Zelda" seems to be a Zelda from in between ALBW and Zelda I.  I'm not sure whether Link's Awakening and the Oracle games happen before or after ALBW.

The story about the sleeping princess, the envious brother who would be the sad king, and the wizard, is still viable... but may need a few tweaks.  It seems that with ALBW now showing that the Triforce is "Whole" (it's no longer split), and it's clearly split in Zelda I, there's some kind of an event that may force the split.

[Inccubus]

However, the Sleeping Zelda is stated to be the first one and the reason for all the subsequent Zeldas in the royal family of Hyrule. So if that story is to be taken at face value then that tale has to happen during the founding of Hyrule not long after Skyward Sword. Nope. I don't buy that. I think Aonuma and Miyamoto forgot or chose to ignore this plot.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

I can agree with that.  It just won't work any more as a viable plot point in all of the timelines.

[X]

* Zelda 3's map never really jived with the Zelda 1 or 2 maps.

It's true that it doesn't jive, however landscapes do change over time through erosion, wars, etc. In this case it was war brought about by Ganon. Ganon had manage to cross over to Hyrule sometime after the now made AlbW, and turned it into a hostile wasteland. All villages (in this case Kakariko village) were destroyed and the surviving peoples went into hiding and were reduced to cave dwellers. You could say that the massive cemetery in Zelda I is in fact the old location of Kakariko Village, now a mass grave site. The lost woods could have easily changed locations due to Ganon's magic since he has the Triforce of Power. He can easily do this, no question. Death mountain is in the same place (north of Hyrule were it has always been) and spectacle rock (also seen in AlttP) is in the same place as it has always been. The river and lake systems could have also been dramatically altered so that lake Hyla no longer exists. Where Hyrule castle once was is now one of the 8 dungeons. The new lake is now situated beside this very dungeon. Since the Zelda I map is more horizontally elongated then the Zelda III map we have more access to eastern Hyrule which is why there's an ocean bordering the south-east coast. This is my theory at best. I know it's not very convincing but it's all I have to go on. It makes sense at least to me anyways 

[Inccubus]

Fair enough, but I'll just say this: The LoZ map is Hyrule, but so is the AoL map. we don't have a definitive map of the continent where Kingdom is. More over we don't have a clear time reference to relate Zelda 1 to Zelda 3. Plus the Kingdom of Hyrule has been state to be at the center of the world. If so then it doesn't seem logical for it to be on the edge of it's continent. Really in the end this will be a circular argument because except on rare occasions the game creators haven't paid all that much attention to the geography except with ALBW. So we'll both keep our theories for now.

[X]

Fair enough, but I'll just say this: The LoZ map is Hyrule, but so is the AoL map. we don't have a definitive map of the continent where Kingdom is. More over we don't have a clear time reference to relate Zelda 1 to Zelda 3. Plus the Kingdom of Hyrule has been state to be at the center of the world. If so then it doesn't seem logical for it to be on the edge of it's continent. Really in the end this will be a circular argument because except on rare occasions the game creators haven't paid all that much attention to the geography except with ALBW. So we'll both keep our theories for now.

Fair enough as well. But I'll admit that I'm having fun doing this 

[GuyStarwind]

Don't you guys know Hyrule is a creature of Chaos. It may take many incarnations.

[Inccubus]

lol. Then so is Earth.

[Munchy]

Just finished this around thanksgiving. So, so good. Though the newer Zeldas put me off with their excessive tutorials and generally snail-like pace (well, judging mainly from trying and giving up on Wind Waker and watching my brother beat the others), so a game with that stuff cut out was bound to win me over.

I'd say the only problem is the difficulty. It's damned easy and the dungeons are very short. But it's definitely that old Nintendo feeling of easy but a pure joy to play through. I would kill for a Master Quest DLC.

[shelverton.]

Ok, so this topic is a month old but I started playing this game 2 days ago and now I'm on my way to the final boss. I've never even died once. But the game is still great, up there with the likes of Link's Awakening and Minish Cap IMO.

One question: I am missing one heart piece to get a full 20 heart life bar, and I know this particular heart piece is given to you after you get 100 points in the octopus baseball game. After about 18 or 20 tries my highest score is still only 73. And I don't necessarily get better the more I practice, just more confused and tired.

I am literally going insane. It's not fun anymore.

Is there a strategy to this or is it all pure luck? I can kind of aim the ball but it's very imprecise. I understand that you get 20 points for birds, and the crabs restore all the pots, but what good is that if I can't aim properly? I think the ball goes either right or left depending on when you hit the ball. It's waaaay too vague for me. I may very well give up on that final heart piece... 

[X]

Yeah that baseball game is somewhat wonky. I had this problem too when first trying it out. The second time I found I could aim in more directions by using all the degree points on the analog stick. I still don't have a heart piece from it though.