Topic: the Alucard-Lecarde connection

[theANdROId]

I think we could still get games to fill some of these plot holes.  Maybe it's unlikely, because focus will probably be on the LoS timeline now, but it's not impossible.  We'd need an "ideas man" though.  Someone who could look at what we have (however messy it is or is not) and easily come up with multiple ideas how to make connections that work.  And, I can't believe I'm saying it, but I don't think the ideas man should be too concerned with what fans think, if at all.  There's too many of us!  We can't agree!  Inevitably, someone will be disappointed in the end result, so just let the ideas guy come up with all his ideas, and let him and the developing team pick and make the one they deem best.  Then we can all play it (or not if we just hate it) and talk about it here!

But we need that ideas man!  Maybe they have a Castlevania passion, or a gaming passion, or a mythology passion...but ideas!  Tons of ideas!  That's how we'll fill plot holes.

So says this CV fan anyway. :-)

[zangetsu468]

http://okymx.blogspot.com.au/2004/08/historia-de-la-familia-belmont.html

Even though this is fanmade, this got me thinking...
 
I know it was implied that Trevor was Alucard's child, but couldn't they have just retconned that rather than retconning Legends as a whole? The ending is never proven conclusively, and even if Alucard shagged Sonia, Trevor doesn't necessarily have to be his kid. Even within the Belmont families (unless they have a one child policy) surely they choose the heir who is the most suitable for the VK, or failing that, the eldest child.. Does it really have to be a male? My comments are limited on this since I haven't played it in years, but it seems an odd choice to say that game is not part of the canon.

As for the previous comments to OOE, much as I love OOE it didn't add much to the overall canon, it was more of a Gaiden like COD (less so because at least Trevor was in that and it related to a well known event) though I thought it was a nice touch that the Belmont bloodline still aided in Dracula's destruction.

Regarding the Belmonts post-SOTN, one simple assumption could be that after Richter was mind-controlled by shaft, the Belmonts caught on that Dracula realised their direct bloodline was a hindrance. With no VK there would be almost nobody who was powerful enough to destroy Dracula, so the Belmonts simply vanished, maintaining their ways of training etc. Eventually somehow in 1999 they re-emerged, took ownership of the VK from the Morris clan and 1999 happens. There is one thing I never understood, 1999 happened but was it in Europe or Japan? Julius lost his memory until he returned to Castlevania in 2035.. Did Julius enter the Castle from Japan or from Europe? Presumably given AOS' intro the entrance to the Castle seems to be at the Hakuba shrine...

[Flame]

Dracula the novel and Quincy Morris "keeping Dracula at bay" still fits pretty well within the overall timeline. I don't see why Bloodlines and the novel somehow break everything.

We don't know much about the Morris family. John is supposed to be Quincy's son right? Well, maybe Quincy was divorced? We don't know. (Unlikely given divorce is more modern I think, but still) all Bloodlines needs is to handwave or retcon the idea of Quincy having died a bachelor and you have a solid connection. He doesn't even need to use the whip. Who's to say John didn't inherit the whip right from the Belmonts when he came of age?

It's only PoR that really breaks Bloodlines. And only because it ruins the characters and story by complicating it needlessly. IGA tried too hard to make PoR deep when All it really needed to be was the son of John vs whatever. No need to change the roles of the Morris and Lecarde Families. Simple and sweet. Even if everything else about the game is bleh.

[zangetsu468]

Dracula the novel and Quincy Morris "keeping Dracula at bay" still fits pretty well within the overall timeline. I don't see why Bloodlines and the novel somehow break everything.

We don't know much about the Morris family. John is supposed to be Quincy's son right? Well, maybe Quincy was divorced? We don't know. (Unlikely given divorce is more modern I think, but still) all Bloodlines needs is to handwave or retcon the idea of Quincy having died a bachelor and you have a solid connection. He doesn't even need to use the whip. Who's to say John didn't inherit the whip right from the Belmonts when he came of age?

I agree, it doesn't break everything. Dracula>Bloodlines was always intended to remain in the canon.

On this note. The novel Dracula takes place in 1897, Bloodlines takes place 20 years later. John's description reads as follows

"Like all of his forefathers, he is wise in the ways of vampire slaying and is skilled with the legendary whip."

What Eric states in POR

"Eric: Because the Belmonts cannot touch the whip now. It is
      predicted that Dracula will be revived in year 1999. I've
      heard that the Belmonts must not touch the Vampire Killer
      until then."

Since the Belmonts disappeared by the time OOE happens (early to mid 1800's) at that point they weren't using the VK, otherwise one of them could have faced Dracula rather than Shanoa using Dominus (which didn't happen, and their descendants were not fit to wield the VK). I believe it's fair to deduct that the Belmonts - after SOTN but before OOE - disappeared at which time they also relinquished the VK, as it wasn't going to be used by them from that point, until 1999.

Because of this, it does seem that Quincey probably had the VK in his possession at some point (even if not during the events of the novel Dracula) which John would eventually come to inherit. Furthermore, if all of John's forefathers used it as per Bloodlines' manual, then it's safe to assume that Quincey had possession at some point.

[X]

There is one thing I never understood, 1999 happened but was it in Europe or Japan? Julius lost his memory until he returned to Castlevania in 2035.. Did Julius enter the Castle from Japan or from Europe? Presumably given AOS' intro the entrance to the Castle seems to be at the Hakuba shrine...

The battle of 1999 took place in Europe. Mina Hakuba tells Soma in-game about a sun ritual that was conducted in Europe for the purposes of sealing away Castlevania in the Eclipse.

Mina: "Normally we only conduct rituals in Japan but..."

Soma: "In 1999 a ritual was conducted in Europe."

This tells me that the Demon Castle War took place in Europe and not Japan. And since Castlevania's origins stem from its motherland (Romania) it only makes sense to think so. Everyone who appeared in Castlevania in AoS were present at the Hakuba Shrine in Japan during the Eclipse, at the time when it was predicted that Dracula would return. Graham was probably one of the first to enter Castlevania followed shortly after by Arikado (Alucard), Yoko and J (Julius). Hammer was under orders by his CO to investigate Castlevania since it's clear that the military was involved with the 1999 battle and wanted to confirm whether or not the threat was real. Mina and Soma would be the last ones to arrive.

[Ahasverus]

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The thing is that Trevor Being Alucard's son is proably the only rational explanation of why it a male boy of a female Belmont carries the Belmont name. As while Alucard's last name is Farenheit (also a maternal name) he doesn't use it anymore since becoming Alucard. And personally I don't find the problem with the Belmonts being Alucard's (and so Dracula's) descent, it's cool. I liked that part before LoS.

[RegalSin]

That one Gameboy game pretty much sums up that argument.

Everybody is kinda upset, because what Konomi did, was make a logical excuse for the Belmonts abilities, against Dracula. Looking at the original was a decent way to exploit that story and world of Dracula.

[DragonSlayr81]

I still don't care for that. LoS, it doesn't matter. That game is it's own thing. But the original canon, I was always more interested in the family feud thing. To me, I like the idea that the Belmonts and Dracula's connection ISN'T blood relation, but something different. Maybe even something personal(with out reverting to the basic Maury DNA test as being the answer). I have more facination with two feuding families, fighting for good and evil, and the Belmonts just happen to be super human(because there can be other powerful beings in the world that don't draw their power from Dracula).

Besides, it makes more sense, even with Legends, that the Belmonts are just born from a badass family considering Sonia's not a descendant of Alucard or Dracula, and she still kicks ass(she's able to defeat Dracula). One could obviously think that Sonia inherited her parents' prowess, and so on, generations before her. It's just a badass family, in general. And yeah, being descended from Dracula proves NOTHING because of Sonia herself. She's a testament to that.