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What is the best 3d castlevania game
« on: August 16, 2014, 04:49:06 PM »
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Obviously the N64 ones are just cringe worthy and  the latest lords of shadow series seems to be imitating god of war so i'm more curious about the original PS2 titles that came and faded into obscurity.

I've played Lament of innocence once and quite frankly i didn't like it because the whip was such a clunky weapon in a 3d game,i was just too bored to get any far in the game so i was wondering is  curse of darkness the best non-gow influenced 3d game? because it doesn't seem to have a whip wielding character.

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Re: What is the best 3d castlevania game
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2014, 06:41:34 PM »
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This has been asked a few times over the years. Personally I like the second N64 game, Legacy of Darkness, the most. I think captures the feel of the classic pre-SOTN Castlevanias very well in 3D. The general consensus on the PS2 games seems to be that Lament of Innocence is the stronger game. Largely owing to the level design of Curse of Darkness.

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Re: What is the best 3d castlevania game
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2014, 07:18:43 PM »
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My personal favorite is is LoI but as terms of most CVish the 64 games do the best to represent CV in a 3D world.

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Re: What is the best 3d castlevania game
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2014, 08:46:59 PM »
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my favs curse of darkness

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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2014, 09:21:59 PM »
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I'd second everything Ratty said.

Legacy of Darkness is my favorite, and more what I had hoped for in the following 3D games.  I did very much enjoy Lament of Innocence and Curse of Darkness (though of the two, I liked LoI better), and I'm just not quite satisfied with the Lords of Shadow games.  If we were to ever get more Konami-made 3D games, I'd wish someone would look to LoD on the 64 and say, "What made this good?  Let's do that, but with today's technology."  Not, "Let's basically make a carbon copy and try to ride on it's success." (however much or little, I know) but, "Let's sincerely analyze this, find the elements, and actually, thoughtfully, from great grandma's recipe and our fresh, homemade ingredients, make a great new game."

 :-\ Yeah...odd analogy...I know...it works in *my* head though. :rollseyes:
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2014, 01:50:28 AM »
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Re: What is the best 3d castlevania game
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2014, 10:34:14 AM »
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I'd second everything Ratty said.

Legacy of Darkness is my favorite, and more what I had hoped for in the following 3D games.  I did very much enjoy Lament of Innocence and Curse of Darkness (though of the two, I liked LoI better), and I'm just not quite satisfied with the Lords of Shadow games.  If we were to ever get more Konami-made 3D games, I'd wish someone would look to LoD on the 64 and say, "What made this good?  Let's do that, but with today's technology."  Not, "Let's basically make a carbon copy and try to ride on it's success." (however much or little, I know) but, "Let's sincerely analyze this, find the elements, and actually, thoughtfully, from great grandma's recipe and our fresh, homemade ingredients, make a great new game."

 :-\ Yeah...odd analogy...I know...it works in *my* head though. :rollseyes:
Do you get better weapons or other characters in LOI? because i really hate how the whip works in 3d and especially the N64 games seem to have even worse whip controls.


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Re: What is the best 3d castlevania game
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2014, 11:01:15 AM »
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Do you get better weapons or other characters in LOI?

Yes and no. There are no other weapons besides the sub-weapons Leon uses. You will find three other whips in the game; Thunder, Ice and Fire. The vampirekiller is the final form of the whip of Alchemy. In order to play other characters they must be unlocked after beating the game.

And while the N64 titles may be very clunky with the control scheme and the god-awful camera, they are in my mind as close as you can possible get to a near-correct translation of Castlevania in 3D. Plateforming, atmosphere ,etc. Both LoI and CoD are essentially dungeon crawlers while LoS borrows heavily from other popular games of the time it came out and combines them. God of War and Shadow of the Colossus are the two strongest elements found in LoS.
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Re: What is the best 3d castlevania game
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2014, 05:18:58 AM »
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Yes and no. There are no other weapons besides the sub-weapons Leon uses. You will find three other whips in the game; Thunder, Ice and Fire. The vampirekiller is the final form of the whip of Alchemy. In order to play other characters they must be unlocked after beating the game.

And while the N64 titles may be very clunky with the control scheme and the god-awful camera, they are in my mind as close as you can possible get to a near-correct translation of Castlevania in 3D. Plateforming, atmosphere ,etc. Both LoI and CoD are essentially dungeon crawlers while LoS borrows heavily from other popular games of the time it came out and combines them. God of War and Shadow of the Colossus are the two strongest elements found in LoS.
Man it such a shame because lament of innocence seem to have better atmosphere&music than Curse of darkness(which seems a tad bland TBH)

My main beef is with using whip in 3d it just doesn't work,even lords of shadow's whip just makes me wish i was playing God of war instead... whip is like a flamethrower in 2d games it works flawlessly but in 3d games it is abysmal.

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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2014, 10:23:37 AM »
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Man it such a shame because lament of innocence seem to have better atmosphere&music than Curse of darkness(which seems a tad bland TBH)

My main beef is with using whip in 3d it just doesn't work,even lords of shadow's whip just makes me wish i was playing God of war instead... whip is like a flamethrower in 2d games it works flawlessly but in 3d games it is abysmal.

The main character in Legacy of Darkness is a werewolf who doesn't use a whip. You unlock the original Castlevania 64 characters after beating the game with him. Legacy also vastly improves on the camera from Castlevania64.

It also has the best version of "The Sinking Old Sanctuary" unfortunately only used in one short level.

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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2014, 11:00:24 AM »
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My main beef is with using whip in 3d it just doesn't work,even lords of shadow's whip just makes me wish i was playing God of war instead... whip is like a flamethrower in 2d games it works flawlessly but in 3d games it is abysmal.

You will have an easier time playing cornell the wolfman in LoD then you would with Reinhardt Schneider. However Cornell doesn't have the same attack range as Schneider does.
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2014, 04:11:35 PM »
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It also has the best version of "The Sinking Old Sanctuary" unfortunately only used in one short level.

Definitely my favorite rendition of the theme!  I love the songs and soundtracks of nearly all of the games, from the 8-bit era to current, but I think the sound of the tracks in this game are always my favorites.  Something about them...in the same way some have said that the N64's CV games are the best look/feel of a CV game in 3D, I feel that way about the music of these games.  They just *feel* the best somehow.

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Re: What is the best 3d castlevania game
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2014, 01:39:14 PM »
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You will have an easier time playing cornell the wolfman in LoD then you would with Reinhardt Schneider. However Cornell doesn't have the same attack range as Schneider does.
Thanks,i'll play the N64 games anyway because they're only 3d games which actually sticks to what original castlevanias were all about i really admire them for that(even if they're not that good).

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