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Re: Season 3 obvious Anti-Christianity propaganda
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2020, 02:09:28 AM »
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What till he finds out Baphomet is in Dragon Ball now... :o

They should get Guts from Berserk to come in and sword out goat-d*** with his massive cleaver, just like the manga! XD
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Re: Season 3 obvious Anti-Christianity propaganda
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2020, 11:07:00 PM »
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Anyway for a series that consider Christianity as a force of good and revolves around it this animation sure put Christianity in a bad light which goes against the core concept of Castlevania good and evil powers.
Christianity not so much.  Christians (notably fire and brimstone ignoramuses and institutionalized, politically influential religious organizations and those that abuse that institutional power), sure, and I do agree that the show is a bit obtuse with its criticism but it's not exactly a subtle show in general.

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- Sypha Belnades has turned from a Pure Christian Hunter to an edgy Atheist from Avatar who want to Destroy the Church.
We can't have one of the main characters be Christian because then Christians will be good in which it goes against the anti-Christians propaganda.
Tbh it's a vast improvement over the Judgment Sypha which used her belonging to the Church to turn her into an insufferable bigot, something I imagine you also would have had a problem with as well. :-/

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- Christians bring misfortune on people again.
Yeah, Christians never do that, and neither do people who have predominance in a culture in general. *rolls eyes*
Show has good Christians, too.  Hilarious how a couple of portrayals of shitty Christians get people torqued out of shape when by and large Christian portrayals in media (and even in Castlevania media) are overwhelmingly positive.

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- The One Who's Many (Legion) It's based on a Christian story where Jesus Heals a man whom was Prossessed by a large number of demons.
In the animation we see the people prossessed wear Crown of Thorn which a symbol of Jesus so this takes the story and flips it on it's head by implying:
Jesus instead of healing people he unleash demons on them prossessing them, and Jesus is the man on tower and all the other mindless people are Christians.
Legion in the show is based off of Legion in the game.  The crown of thorns in this instance is probably the only thing you can actually link to the original story and the profane use of a holy symbol is not in and of itself an attack on Christianity or a comment on some sort of hypothetical "real story" but is very much in line with something an evil character would do.  You're just trying to twist it to force it to have the worst possible meaning you can imagine.  This is a massive stretch.


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- flip the statue of Jesus... is another way of saying Christianity is bad and you're going to hell for it.
Inverted cross is a reference to Saint Peter, and is not at all unheard of for Christians to use.  As I recall, he was martyred upside-down in order to show his unworthiness compared to Jesus' sacrifice.  Therefore, inverting the cross symbolizes humility in deference to Christ.  Admittedly, some idiots treat it as a Satanic symbol.
*googles, not sure if I remember correctly*
Yep. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter

If anything the biggest general failing in the show, imo, is that it doesn't really do enough to show that Dracula is wrong, that humans deserve to exist, lol.  Way too many of the characters in general are just massive asshats with very little justification for being so, and that doesn't just apply to Christians.

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Re: Season 3 obvious Anti-Christianity propaganda
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2020, 09:28:37 AM »
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If anything the biggest general failing in the show, imo, is that it doesn't really do enough to show that Dracula is wrong, that humans deserve to exist, lol.  Way too many of the characters in general are just massive asshats with very little justification for being so, and that doesn't just apply to Christians.

In all fairness, I believe the games also keep it somewhat ambivalent, that Dracula may actually have a point. After all, they can't stop being evil, so that some higher being comes to do the evil unto them that they already commit to each other might be considered quite fair. Castlevania never was quite clear on the stance that Dracula is wholly wrong.
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Re: Season 3 obvious Anti-Christianity propaganda
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2020, 05:54:54 PM »
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Haven't been here in a long time and nobody remember me, maybe I should call myself Forgotten One. ;D ;D

Anyway for a series that consider Christianity as a force of good and revolves around it this animation sure put Christianity in a bad light which goes against the core concept of Castlevania good and evil powers.

- Sypha Belnades has turned from a Pure Christian Hunter to an edgy Atheist from Avatar who want to Destroy the Church.
We can't have one of the main characters be Christian because then Christians will be good in which it goes against the anti-Christians propaganda.

- Christians bring misfortune on people again.

- The One Who's Many (Legion) It's based on a Christian story where Jesus Heals a man whom was Prossessed by a large number of demons.
In the animation we see the people prossessed wear Crown of Thorn which a symbol of Jesus so this takes the story and flips it on it's head by implying:
Jesus instead of healing people he unleash demons on them prossessing them, and Jesus is the man on tower and all the other mindless people are Christians.

- The philosopher bug who came and say basically Christianity is Evil to a Muslim.

- The church presumably find the truth about their faith and flip the statue of Jesus to point under to hell is another way of saying Christianity is bad and you're going to hell for it.


Like really really wtf, I'm not religious but this is pathetic to be honest.
Adaptation yeah right more like hate propaganda.

The OP is a example of False Equivalence because how can there be "hate propaganda against Christians" when we already live in a predominately christian society first of all which the OP here is deflecting that fact here due to wrapping themselves up as the victim here?

Then again you must remember that the Castlevania games came from a time where plots were alot more simplistic than they are today hence more straightforward not to mention most of the time the legitimacy of Christianity let alone the Church is never questioned despite what history says.

Of course the reason why crosses, holy water, etc works in this game because it comes from staple Vampire tropes dating back to literature but them working doesn't mean they are "Good destroying Evil" however.


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Re: Season 3 obvious Anti-Christianity propaganda
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2020, 12:28:47 PM »
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The OP is a example of False Equivalence because how can there be "hate propaganda against Christians" when we already live in a predominately christian society
Let's not pretend we are not token christian at best. We live in a society founded on christian values and beliefs. Which have arguably all degraded over time. Not to mention, living in a predominantly christian society does not stop netflix from, being the kind of company it is, and headquartered in the state it is- From being subversive in that regard.

The Church in Wallachia being corrupt, and the bishop in particular being very un-christian was fine. Not like there was not corruption in the church in those times. And we were shown later , that it wasnt discounting it all entirely. A proper priests does create holy water later in Season 1.

In season 3, the whole thing with the philosopher demon, and Isaac being "I'm Muslim btw" felt a bit too on the nose.

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- The church presumably find the truth about their faith and flip the statue of Jesus to point under to hell is another way of saying Christianity is bad and you're going to hell for it.
you're reading too much into that. The whole story there was supposed to show them being heretical priests. They no longer worshipped God or followed Christianity. They essentially became demon worshippers, seduced by the demon that crashed into their Monastery. Which is why they flipped the statue upside down. Nothing more, nothing less.

Also, maybe you forgot, but Castlevania is rife with satanic cultists who want to resurrect Dracula, which is basically what the whole plot there was about.
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Re: Season 3 obvious Anti-Christianity propaganda
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2020, 01:54:10 PM »
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I saw a thread on Reddit that was saying anyone who likes Lenore is a simp because she's a manipulative sadistic vampire character. I tried to start a secondary conversation about how people feel about manipulative sadistic human characters and I used my Charlotte fanfiction as an example.

Now people seem confused over whether me posting my own fanfiction means I'm a desperate pathetic geek or a "madlad" who made a "power move."

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Re: Season 3 obvious Anti-Christianity propaganda
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2020, 05:00:12 AM »
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There is not one single Church. You have the Roman Catholic, the Eastern Orthodox, the Gnostic (I like some of their literature), as well as numerous fringe groups that the Church put down as heretics. The guys worshiping a demon were a fringe group, not normal Christians. The bishop getting his head crushed was a normal Christian, but I couldn't tell if he was Eastern Orthodox or not (which is who held sway over Romania).

...I don't really know what was up with that guy killing kids, but whatever. Kids are annoying, I can relate.

The series should have gone the route of criticizing religious zealotry. That'd be more in line with the games.

As for anti-Christian symbolism in the games, I wouldn't say anything was really anti-Christian, but anti-Orthodoxy. And even then, most of that could just be written off as demonic perversion of Christian symbolism. The confessional priest ghost, the religious imagery in Dracula's paintings, some other stuff I can't bother remembering. Yeah, the Belmonts were Christian, but they weren't Catholic. ...Were they even excommunicated? Was that ever explicitly mentioned?
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Re: Season 3 obvious Anti-Christianity propaganda
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2020, 07:42:04 AM »
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Yeah, the Belmonts were Christian, but they weren't Catholic. ...Were they even excommunicated? Was that ever explicitly mentioned?

No, that was invented by the show.

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Re: Season 3 obvious Anti-Christianity propaganda
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2020, 12:38:05 PM »
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I recall something about them being outcasts though in the games because of their magical supernatural abilities, like, iirc, the church calling out to them for help in CV3 was like, last ditch begrudging  effort or something. Actually, not excommunicated- but werent they exiles?
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Re: Season 3 obvious Anti-Christianity propaganda
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2020, 06:13:34 PM »
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I recall something about them being outcasts though in the games because of their magical supernatural abilities, like, iirc, the church calling out to them for help in CV3 was like, last ditch begrudging  effort or something. Actually, not excommunicated- but werent they exiles?

Last time I checked, that was the case.
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