Topic: FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE ANNOUNCED BY SONY AT EƎ

[crisis]

i think it would be best to approach FFVII as if it's a brand new game and ignore the fact that its even a remake. i know thats gonna be near-impossible but honestly thats the best we could hope for as of right now

[Claimh Solais]

This isn't such a complicated thing to accomplish. What makes a good remake? Look at SCV4 and CV Chronicles. Those are good remakes. Maverick Hunter X that's a good remake. Lufia: Curse of the Sinistrals? That is a BAD remake, and that is what I'm afraid is going to happen.

Super Castlevania IV barely even resembles the original Castlevania, and on top of that plays completely differently because of the A) controllable jumping and B) multi-directional whipping. Playing IV and playing the original are completely different ball games because not only do they play completely differently and employ entirely different strategies to defeating some enemies, they're just not the same game at all.

With CV Chronicles, if you mean the Chronicles Arranged Mode, that's pretty much the original with some sprite swaps. The original version, for the Sharp X68000, is a lot closer, but only select areas of the castle really resemble the original, despite the gameplay being far closer to the original game.

So I'll give you Chronicles for your point, but SCIV doesn't help nor hinder your point, since the game is so radically different that it's practically a different game.

i think it would be best to approach FFVII as if it's a brand new game and ignore the fact that its even a remake. i know thats gonna be near-impossible but honestly thats the best we could hope for as of right now

This would be the ideal solution, but with how popular the original game was, they'll be constantly using the whole "it's a remake idea" regardless, since there's a lot they do need to keep.

As for how the game will be when it's done, if the gameplay is entirely different, it won't bother me. If it's fun, I'll like it. I don't want the same game, though. I've already played FF7. But making it a direct remake other than graphics and a few other minor changes won't feel that great at all, and I'll probably get bored of it really quickly. That's a big reason Halo: Anniversary Edition was a gift and not a purchase of my own volition, because the fresh coat of paint loses its novelty really quickly.

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YAY !

[zangetsu468]

Super Castlevania IV barely even resembles the original Castlevania, and on top of that plays completely differently because of the A) controllable jumping and B) multi-directional whipping. Playing IV and playing the original are completely different ball games because not only do they play completely differently and employ entirely different strategies to defeating some enemies, they're just not the same game at all.

This. Exactly my point. There's no sense just overhauling the game again, they've already done this for the PC version.

Yes Inccubus, the way it was released was the way I liked it and you know what? I liked the original CV, which didn't stop me from liking SCIV as a re-imagining of the original. The same way I liked Dracula XX and I actually prefer it over Rondo.

The purists like yourself can the original FFVII, it's an awesome game. There's not harm in remaking it, it doesn't take away from the original game. If anything any plotholes and scripting issues would be cleared up as well by your logic. And who is to say it won't be a remake which is incredibly faithful to the original... 

EDIT: @Inccubus, not Crisis, apologies for this

[Inccubus]

Well, the latest PC version is just a port with a few modern additions that are really outside the game itself.

But your point still stands. My issue with it is that they call it a remake to drum up interest, but the people working on it openly admit it isn't really a remake at all. The time it's taking to make is evidence enough for me that they are basically making a new game with FF7's upgraded skin. I wouldn't mind as much if they just called it what it is and if it wasn't likely to be moving to a style of play I detest. That said, I'll admit I'm being super pessimistic about it. But can you really blame me after so many years of FFs that barely even resemble the games I enjoyed playing before FF11?

I'll just stick to the PC version with all it's improvement mods.

[KaZudra]

This. Exactly my point. There's no sense just overhauling the game again, they've already done this for the PC version.

Yes Inccubus, the way it was released was the way I liked it and you know what? I liked the original CV, which didn't stop me from liking SCIV as a re-imagining of the original. The same way I liked Dracula XX and I actually prefer it over Rondo.

The purists like yourself can the original FFVII, it's an awesome game. There's not harm in remaking it, it doesn't take away from the original game. If anything any plotholes and scripting issues would be cleared up as well by your logic. And who is to say it won't be a remake which is incredibly faithful to the original... 

EDIT: @Inccubus, not Crisis, apologies for this

I would love to see a fan game that re-creates Rondo using Dracula XX resources

Well, the latest PC version is just a port with a few modern additions that are really outside the game itself.

But your point still stands. My issue with it is that they call it a remake to drum up interest, but the people working on it openly admit it isn't really a remake at all. The time it's taking to make is evidence enough for me that they are basically making a new game with FF7's upgraded skin. I wouldn't mind as much if they just called it what it is and if it wasn't likely to be moving to a style of play I detest. That said, I'll admit I'm being super pessimistic about it. But can you really blame me after so many years of FFs that barely even resemble the games I enjoyed playing before FF11?

I'll just stick to the PC version with all it's improvement mods.

Exactly my point, The FF7 remake will definitely be different from the original, how different? probably not by too much but enough to set it apart from the original, but that being said, but FF7 is so highly accessible these days that you can play it on near anything (modern devices). I still play it on PSP time to time.

Please no. I'll take emo Cloud over that any day.

The less Genesis the better. They should just completely retcon him and Dirge of Cerberus while they're at it.

Actually retconning Dirge wouldn't be bad, or at least from canon to a gaiden.
I never played Dirge, so I never met Genesis from Dirge, but he wasn't too bad in Crisis Core.

[Super Waffle]

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CVD, I'm scared.

hold me.

[Rugal]

Asks for FFVII remake for years and years and years.

Complains about it when it is finally happening.

Nice job.

[piscesdreams]

Asks for FFVII remake for years and years and years.

Complains about it when it is finally happening.

Nice job.

That's usually the way it goes. Very few remakes get it right. And it's usually because the developer has a different mindset on what is fun.

Square has mostly gotten away from the style that FFVII was, so it's my opinion that asking a company to go back to that is tough to do. We will see.

[Claimh Solais]

Actually retconning Dirge wouldn't be bad, or at least from canon to a gaiden.
I never played Dirge, so I never met Genesis from Dirge, but he wasn't too bad in Crisis Core.

Genesis actually only makes a cameo at the very very very very very end of Dirge of Cerberus in a post-credits scene. It was just them stamping more Gackt collaboration into the game (after Gackt's "Redemption" was used for the credits and his "Longing" was used for one of the final battles). Gackt portrayed Genesis in a live-action cutscene at the end, and that's pretty much how he was born. Square wanted to put Gackt into Final Fantasy. This, however, isn't where my gripes with him began. I didn't really mind it, and his costume design was actually far better in Dirge.

My gripes began with him in Crisis Core. Firstly, his character design was simplified, to where he was just wearing a generic red coat with shoulder-pads. (In case you were wondering, Gackt DOES indeed voice him in the Japanese dub). Secondly, while his motivations began at first as something worth caring about (searching for a cure to his degradation), eventually he just became overly obsessed with a poem, to the point where he was just an obsessed fanboy.

Had the poem of Loveless been adored in the way poetry like The Odyssey and Hamlet are -- loved and well-known by the masses, and everyone knows what they are despite the fact that they're not widely spoken of in the general public -- it wouldn't have even been as bad. But Loveless is literature that was treated as if it were Harry Potter or The Hunger Games -- widely popular and talked about by a lot of people and plastered all over the media. Loveless' stage adaptation was one of the most talked about things in Midgar at the time, and I think they even mentioned a film adaptation in the works somewhere (though I might be wrong about this).

So in the end, it basically has Genesis come off as a nerdy kid to me. It'd be like Genesis thinking of himself as Ron Weasley, with Angeal as Hermione Granger and Sephiroth as Harry Potter. He'd probably even, at that point, consider Shinra to be Voldemort. Genesis comes across, to me, as a geeky fanboy, and in something like Final Fantasy VII, that doesn't make a good villain or even a good character to me (in contrast, a villain like that in something like Saints Row would probably fit in just fine).

On top of that, the fact that he quotes Loveless literally every time he's in a cutscene annoys the crap out of me.

His weapons and powers are really cool, though. I just hate the character of Genesis.



On a side note, the inclusion of Genesis and Angeal bugged me, because never at any later point in the timeline are these two EVER mentioned or remembered, despite the fact that they were two of the three First Class SOLDIERs, and even had their own fanclubs like Sephiroth. Plus, nobody even remembers all the destruction that Genesis caused in Midgar.

[Super Waffle]

They should replace Aerith's death with a scene of Gackt killing Hyde.

[VladCT]

Who do you suppose Hyde's self-insert OC will be? :V

[Super Waffle]

Probably some out of place pretty boy with a lot of belts and pants like Isaac in Curse of Darkness.

[Claimh Solais]

Final Fantasy VII Remake will be more realistic, but won't have new characters.

Does this mean new to the game, or new to the compilation? I hope the former, so we can keep Gacktenis Rhapui out of the game.

[Super Waffle]

I hope Hermione doesn't show up.