Topic: Make a remake of Legends?

[TatteredSeraph]

I know it sounds fan-ficcy, but I've at times considered what if for a time in his youth, despite what happened to Lisa, he sided with his father for a time, as commander of his forces.  At some point, he had a run-in with Sonia, and while fighting, he ha a sudden moment of hesitation, where he was reminded of his mother, and her words to him as a boy.  At which point, he starts trying to find a way to win against his more in control at the time vampiric nature.

[Crying Freeman]

I know it sounds fan-ficcy, but I've at times considered what if for a time in his youth, despite what happened to Lisa, he sided with his father for a time, as commander of his forces.  At some point, he had a run-in with Sonia, and while fighting, he ha a sudden moment of hesitation, where he was reminded of his mother, and her words to him as a boy.  At which point, he starts trying to find a way to win against his more in control at the time vampiric nature.

That's a really neat idea! It could add to Alucard, and falling in love with Sonia is a good idea to betray Drac, but at the same time it seems VERY out of character for him. You can tell from his dialogue in SOTN and Legends that he has a deep hatred for his father's cause, and that he will do anything to stop him.

[theplottwist]

If you're trying to insert Legends in the canon, and have Alucard in it, there are some things you must consider first:

• Sonia exists in the 1450s.
• Alucard is an adult in Legends (1450s).
• Lisa dies as a young woman by the 1470s. Alucard is a boy at this time.
• Dracula starts his war right after her death.

Alucard can't exist by the 1450s because Lisa is a human woman. By her youthful appearance before her death, Lisa was either not born by the 1450s, or she was an infant, therefore not making it possible for Alucard to exist.

To make it work, you either have to drag Sonia into the 1470s to adjust the cronology with Lisa's existence, or you're gonna have to retcon a bunch of things.

But then again, if you choose to place Sonia in the 1470s, she can't possibly be Trevor's mother. So I guess the retcon would be the better choice

[Crying Freeman]

If you're trying to insert Legends in the canon, and have Alucard in it, there are some things you must consider first:

• Sonia exists in the 1450s.
• Alucard is an adult in Legends (1450s).
• Lisa dies as a young woman by the 1470s. Alucard is a boy at this time.
• Dracula starts his war right after her death.

Alucard can't exist by the 1450s because Lisa is a human woman. By her youthful appearance before her death, Lisa was either not born by the 1450s, or she was an infant, therefore not making it possible for Alucard to exist.

To make it work, you either have to drag Sonia into the 1470s to adjust the cronology with Lisa's existence, or you're gonna have to retcon a bunch of things.

But then again, if you choose to place Sonia in the 1470s, she can't possibly be Trevor's mother. So I guess the retcon would be the better choice

A LOT of reworking to be done. Even if a game doesn't come to fruition, it'd just be fun to change Legends up a bit for it to make sense, even if retconing comes into play. I'll write a story for a potential game in my free time.

[Inccubus]

If you'd really like to remake Legends and make it fit in the canon with minimal retcons, then how about setting the game where it is supposed to be and include Lisa.
Involve Sonia in the events leading to Lisa's death.
She shows up in Walachia on the hunt for Drac and meets Lisa.
At some point Sonia's soul powers could been conflated with Lisa's healing arts by the increasingly superstitious villagers leading to the witch burning.
Then Sonia isn't able to save her because she's fighting Dracula at the time.
This could create a reason for Dracula to hate the Belmonts and for Sonia to want to leave Walachia as I imagine the local church would be looking for the "other witch".
Maybe throw in a male supporting character that could be implied to be Trevor's father since we don't need the corruption of the Belmont bloodline to happen so early.

[Crying Freeman]

That would get in the way of Trevor's age (CVIII happens 6 years after Lisa's death), and Alucard must be around 14-16 or whatever around that time, so that in CVIII he is in his early twienties.

After looking back at LoI's story, the end of the credits states basically that the Belmonts will not face Mathias/Dracula for several centuries, as he's gone into hiding all over various countries. It sounds lazy, and Iga could've implemented many more interesting encounters with Mathias/Drac leading up to CVIII.

That little "lazy" bit of excuse for the Belmonts not to face him is actually really good for potential side stories:

A Belmont is in search for Mathias, keeping with his/her father/grandfather's promise to his former friend now foe that his family shall hunt him down. He/She will cross over various countries (similar to Bloodlines) in search of Mathias, coming empty handed each time. They shall eventually succeed, putting him to sleep for a century while human hatred slowly builds his power. He goes into hiding once revived, but in Transylvania, where the Belmonts have been exiled from due to their "superhuman" powers and strength, making a safe place for him to reside, building his new castle, Castlevania. Once the townspeople murder his beloved, however, he turns on them, forcing the church to call in a Belmont to save them, who's name is Trevor Belmont.

This unknown Belmont in search of Mathias can easily be Sonia, with a new love interest, whose motive for going against Mathias will be decided eventually (unless the story is revamped further).

[Inccubus]

You could always remove DracMat and insert another vampire and make it about Sonia trying to track down you-know-who.

[zangetsu468]

That's a really good idea! And it would make the Alucard battle better instead of the generic "I'll try to kill you, love, to test your strength!" Plus it gives Alucard another reason to fight his dad, to make up for what he did as well as for his mother.

And iwhether we want to make it canon or not, the Vampire Killer should have something in this game. Idk about you guys, but I'd prefer to leave LoI out of this, and make this an alternate take on the first Belmont battle, so your pick whether it goes Leon or Sonia. Sonia does have a strange supeehuman power, maybe that could effect the VK as well since she starts using it.

Thanks
I see Alucard's insatiable bloodlust and how it affects humans as a good enough reason to have initially despised his father.

I can see Alucard nearly killing Sonia but then having a flashback about how the humans killed his mother, both exhausted with Alucard pulling back the fight ends.. Whether they consummate after this could be left open.

Alternate scenario: Sonia is about to kill Alucard but pulls back because her eyes have been tainted and all she can see is her dying father's eyes. At this point Alucard explains the curse of his bloodline, how his father became the demon king by inheriting an incredible power and building his ungodly army accordingly. Sonia informs Alucard about a great ancestor who bore the spirit of a lion (Leon) who passed the whip down to her father, the whip which was meant for eliminating the source of evil (and all things associated). The two agree to join forces and head for Dracula's castle. 

Leon's lineage/ blood was said to be enchanted right, so maybe this is where Sonia inherited her superhuman abilities.. Mystical Bloodline?

[TatteredSeraph]

If you're trying to insert Legends in the canon, and have Alucard in it, there are some things you must consider first:

• Sonia exists in the 1450s.
• Alucard is an adult in Legends (1450s).
• Lisa dies as a young woman by the 1470s. Alucard is a boy at this time.
• Dracula starts his war right after her death.

Alucard can't exist by the 1450s because Lisa is a human woman. By her youthful appearance before her death, Lisa was either not born by the 1450s, or she was an infant, therefore not making it possible for Alucard to exist.

To make it work, you either have to drag Sonia into the 1470s to adjust the cronology with Lisa's existence, or you're gonna have to retcon a bunch of things.

But then again, if you choose to place Sonia in the 1470s, she can't possibly be Trevor's mother. So I guess the retcon would be the better choice

Exactly the problem, and what makes the idea fan-ficcy if using the official timeline.  It would require some amount of adjusting of dates, etc. to work, and have Lisa's death happen in the grey expanse of time between LoI and CVIII, which has its own issues.  I freely admit this.  But the idea still bounces round my head.

[Gunlord]

Why not just have her be a later Belmont's mother instead of Trevor's? Maybe even Richter's mom, and have her die giving birth to him, which was why he grew up as a servant in Annette's household Or maybe Simon's mom instead? Or perhaps Simon's daughter (making her Juste's mother)

[Inccubus]

Any of that can work for a remake, but you would definitely have to divorce Sonia from being involved with Alucard and birthing Trevor.

[Lelygax]

I think it is somewhat explained that Dracula didn't rebel against humanity until they've killed Lisa. Before that he was only a vampire with servants (that can include monsters) and a castle. So we can make it in a way that the day that Dracula's minions killed Sonia's parents was the same day that Lisa was killed. This opens time to Alucard know Sonia well and in a peaceful time.

After she wins a battle against Alucard and he enters in a slumber, he only awakes at CV3 events in the catacombs, one explanation to that is that he slept in a coffin inside the castle, but after the castle crumbled, his coffin fell with the castle remains in some cave. Then when the castle reappears its still below it (but we need to ignore this idea, because in CV3 the castle was there all along). Then he discover that his father was alive and decides that this time he will need to help to make sure that he really dies this time.

To fix some things, since Lisa was killed officialy somewhere between 1470s and CV3 happens in 1476, lets "kill" Lisa before in 1460 and this way Trevor will have 16 years when CV3 happens (at the past, adulthood came before of 18). This way we can insert Legends in 1460 and tell a story where Dracula didn't really dies, but is hidden in secret regaining power, becoming more stronger (Dracula 2nd form in Legends seems a weaker and incomplete transformation) and forming a greater and stronger army to attack Wallachia,.
 We can make it in a way that in Legends it was a minor-scale attack. It wouldn't make sense to Dracula have a enormous army from the beggining, even in the timeline it seems that it tooks at least some time until he got a army. Maybe choosing to begin the game 1 to 7 day after Lisa death would make even more sense.

Now I think that everything feels right without touching any other title. Still, it would be good to make subweapons backstory more interesting, since I dislike how they simply "are there" in Lament of Innocence with a simple excuse that killed hunters left it there.
Idon't think that she should be able to use them because this way it would be almost obligatory to she be able to mix magic and subweapons like in Harmony of Dissonance xD

Or not, I don't know, any ideas of how their spells and subweapons could coexist without one making another obsolete?

[zangetsu468]

I think it is somewhat explained that Dracula didn't rebel against humanity until they've killed Lisa. Before that he was only a vampire with servants (that can include monsters) and a castle.

Edited:

Dracula originally rebelled against God for taking his beloved Elisabetha. The whole building an army of unholy creatures seemed to be to get back at God by attacking humanity; who God made in his image. Mathias was probably building up his power/ army in his Castle at this time.

When he met Lisa (presumably Elisabetha reincarnated, at least it's inferred that he believed that) and humanity took her away from him, I think this was the straw which broke the camel's back, which is why Dracula started to unleash his wrath upon humanity, torture humans, curse humanity (or at least the better part of Europe) etc. This is also a way of attacking God indirectly.

[Crying Freeman]

I think it is somewhat explained that Dracula didn't rebel against humanity until they've killed Lisa. Before that he was only a vampire with servants (that can include monsters) and a castle. So we can make it in a way that the day that Dracula's minions killed Sonia's parents was the same day that Lisa was killed. This opens time to Alucard know Sonia well and in a peaceful time.

After she wins a battle against Alucard and he enters in a slumber, he only awakes at CV3 events in the catacombs, one explanation to that is that he slept in a coffin inside the castle, but after the castle crumbled, his coffin fell with the castle remains in some cave. Then when the castle reappears its still below it (but we need to ignore this idea, because in CV3 the castle was there all along). Then he discover that his father was alive and decides that this time he will need to help to make sure that he really dies this time.

To fix some things, since Lisa was killed officialy somewhere between 1470s and CV3 happens in 1476, lets "kill" Lisa before in 1460 and this way Trevor will have 16 years when CV3 happens (at the past, adulthood came before of 18). This way we can insert Legends in 1460 and tell a story where Dracula didn't really dies, but is hidden in secret regaining power, becoming more stronger (Dracula 2nd form in Legends seems a weaker and incomplete transformation) and forming a greater and stronger army to attack Wallachia,.
 We can make it in a way that in Legends it was a minor-scale attack. It wouldn't make sense to Dracula have a enormous army from the beggining, even in the timeline it seems that it tooks at least some time until he got a army. Maybe choosing to begin the game 1 to 7 day after Lisa death would make even more sense.

Now I think that everything feels right without touching any other title. Still, it would be good to make subweapons backstory more interesting, since I dislike how they simply "are there" in Lament of Innocence with a simple excuse that killed hunters left it there.
Idon't think that she should be able to use them because this way it would be almost obligatory to she be able to mix magic and subweapons like in Harmony of Dissonance xD

Or not, I don't know, any ideas of how their spells and subweapons could coexist without one making another obsolete?

This works out really well! The same thing did happen in The Adventure, only Soleiyu didn't fight Dracula like Trevor did following this idea.

[BLOOD MONKEY]

I'll gladly lend my artistic hand to anyone making a Legends remake.