Topic: Let's List Plot Holes/Contradictions In-Game and With Reality.

[Jazz Paladin Productions]

I've not heard of this interview. Do you by chance know of any source that has it posted? I'd love to read it directly.

This was ages ago, but I believe it was in print in physical form. If not Nintendo Power, it was something like Gamepro.

In a nutshell, though, I remember the source stating that they had gone directly to Konami to ask them to explain this particular phenomenon, and they printed the response they received straight from Mr. head's mouth.

[zangetsu468]

Where the actual hell did you hear that melting gold so hot it becomes powder is the method of creation in alchemy's golden age during medieval times?

This was quite a few years ago via a few well known sources.
The references go as far back back to Ancient Egypt.

I'm not saying it's going to be in the 12 phases of Alchemy or whatever, because it most likely won't.
If you google "philosopher's stone gold powder" you get plenty of information:
http://www.halexandria.org/dward483.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_4.htm
http://www.graal.co.uk/whitepowdergold.php
A few references, some seem to involve Laurence Gardner.

[Jazz Paladin Productions]

I've not heard of this interview. Do you by chance know of any source that has it posted? I'd love to read it directly.

Actually, at a cursory glance, I am finding at least some references to this previous statement...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Castlevania_(Nintendo_64)#Historical_Inaccuracies

According to this document, (as far as wiki can be trusted anyways), Konami did at least on one occasion make some effort to rectify this motorcycle dilemma.

[theplottwist]

Another gripe among gamers is a historical inaccuracy involving skeleton enemies that appear in the game that ride on motorcycles and sidecars. Taking place in 1852, the motorcycle wasn't invented until 1885. Due to gamer's reaction, Konami responded that such a vehicle existed in the game was due to Dracula's magic. Interestingly enough, in Legacy of Darkness, Konami removed all motorcycle skeleton enemies from the game.

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I don't think Konami ever made this statement. Though I am searching for it.

[zangetsu468]

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I don't think Konami ever made this statement. Though I am searching for it.

It'd be interesting to see if there was a version with them removed. I doubt it, my version of LOD has them.

Also are we forgetting about the ceiling mounted turret guns and laser guns Cornell fights as one of the bosses? That seems more techy than a motorcycle to me.

[Dracula9]

Forgive me, Zangetsu, but none of those linked sources feel very credible to me. I have a very strong instinct to lump them in with the same ballpark of nonsense as the Time Cube site.

One making claims doesn't set the rule, and when he's taking quotes from notable alchemy practitioners literally, he's completely missing the point. The secret for creating the Philosopher's Stone was one shrouded in, as I have stated, multiple layers of metaphor and cryptic symbolism, and was never written literally.

That this Gardner guy seems to be quoting some of the big names at face value lends the impression that the greater scope and depth of the alchemic philosophies has escaped him entirely, as he seems primarily fixated on the "it makes gold" part rather than look at the Stone as a whole of what its successful creation signifies.

That and the sites themselves look sketchy as hell as far as credible information goes.

You said,

This was quite a few years ago via a few well known sources.
The references go as far back back to Ancient Egypt.

so why not just give me THOSE sources, rather than multiple pages from the same dude who doesn't appear to understand the greater picture of what he's talking about? If it's been a while and you can't remember precisely, that's one thing and totally fine, but giving me "sources" like the ones you have doesn't do much in lieu of convincing me of your point; just on principle it actually distances me further from what your point argues.

I do appreciate that you shared what you have, and some of the information is of varying accuracy (i.e. some quotes are correct, despite the shallow interpretations, etc.), though, so don't take this as any kind of attack or anything. I simply cannot bring myself to consider your point further with the information and sources you have provided thus far.

Also, in regards to the motorcycle thing: if it's just something Konami pulled out of their ass (which seems likely here) and/or wasn't clarified by IGA (who, whether you like him or not, has been the final word on most of the series canon), then I'm gonna have a hard time buying into it.

[zangetsu468]

Well D9, I don't take any allegations about whether another author's work is credible or not personally. With discourses such as medical science, the point may be made that some see certain subject matter relating to things like eternal life via a method such as Alchemy as non-credible sources of information in themselves. I'm discussing more for the interest of the subject matter. However, if those particular sources I've provided aren't to anyone's liking, or level of credibility I must say my apologies as it was literally a 5 minute search on google.

Gardner himself was an author, scholar and a Freemason, so while some see him one way or the other, he's certainly got qualifications behind himself. Although I do admit with his Masonic background and his publications some of the subject matter he publishes may be contentious depending on the reader.

Yes I did say those exact words and I did also say it was quite a few years ago. Gardner was one of a few sources at the time (as I had said he is a well known author).
I simply can't provide those specific sources with ease as I would need to sift through a number of books that I'd read to get my bearings again. Unfortunately I simply wouldn't have time at this stage. It's also very unfortunate that my previous PC from around that time died because I had a category of reference materials that is been building up over a few years

At the time as I recall Alchemy in the laymen sense was known as the process of turning base metals into gold. This was going one step further by gold undergoing a certain process etc. which could be why the link was initially made.
I vaguely remember that there were a set of processes linked to creating the quote unquote "Philosopher's Stone" in the form of the white powder and I will try to find these links.
Apologies that I can not be clearer with references as it would be convenient to have all of this on hand.

Honestly mate if you don't accept references or certain information I'm not in the market to try and vehemently oppose yourself or anyone else as I was simply putting this information out there whilst not trying to disinform anyone including yourself. I am also not deriding any credible or valid points which you have made, so I hope this clears that up if it was previously unclear.

Regarding #skelecycles it seemed to me in the 64 titles that Dracula's Castle had some advanced technology going on as well as what has been mentioned there was the underground transport rail system in the catacombs which seemed to be for mining materials, and in the room after you defeat medusa there was at least one massive ventilation fan. Dracula's got tech so it seems.

[KaZudra]

Rinaldo is an Alchemist, Creates the Vampire killer from a magic ritual.

Dracula, Sends out creatures to stop the hero, puts them out weakest to strongest.

Dracula's Castle, doesn't want you to stop Dracula's resurrection, places all the tools you'll need to get to him.

Curse of Darkness, Wyvern is a Dragon, Skyrim, Dragons are Wyverns, BONUS: steal shortcake from said Wyvern

Powerglove existing in CoD, worse, It's good.

Paintings are stages on a Nintendo handheld and no mario 64 homages.

[X]

Positron Rifle firing positive electrons? Is that even possible?

Not from how we currently understand physics. But the positron rifle may function similar to that of the Proton Pack from Ghostbusters. The pack fires a proton stream, but coiled around the stream is a blue electron field which helps keep the stream in place, thus preventing it from going willy-nilly and harming/killing everyone around it. Just my take on the weapon in question. I think the positron rifle's description was just more poor localization or poor writing.

[chainsawmidget]

In symphony of the night when you first meet Death, he steals all your equipment.  This is a one-time only trick.  he doesn't do it again when you meet him next (which would be frustrating but hilarious) and never tries it with any of the other characters at any point in the series. 

[theplottwist]

In symphony of the night when you first meet Death, he steals all your equipment.  This is a one-time only trick.  he doesn't do it again when you meet him next (which would be frustrating but hilarious) and never tries it with any of the other characters at any point in the series.

Added this one.

Rinaldo is an Alchemist, Creates the Vampire killer from a magic ritual.

Dracula, Sends out creatures to stop the hero, puts them out weakest to strongest.

Dracula's Castle, doesn't want you to stop Dracula's resurrection, places all the tools you'll need to get to him.

I don't get the first one.

While I have a reasonable explanation for the following ones (Dracula is a vampire and must deal with the boredom of eternal life somehow, thus the castle responds to this), I'll put this because Dracula is bent on destroying mankind and not exactly playing games like Walter did. Though it's important to remember the castle acts by itself, so it's not Dracula who is personally placing ALL the demons and traps inside it.

The power-glove thing is obviously a joke. The Mario 64 thing is not really a contradiction in any way. And by what I understand, a Wyvern is a Wyvern, and a Dragon is a Dragon (different species, one is bipedal the other isn't, etc etc). Castlevania gets the Wyvern right, and calls it "related to dragons" at most.

Damn, I see some contradictions will be quite difficult to properly point out without going for "intepretation" or "personal opinion" arguments.

[zangetsu468]

While I have a reasonable explanation for the following ones (Dracula is a vampire and must deal with the boredom of eternal life somehow, thus the castle responds to this), I'll put this because Dracula is bent on destroying mankind and not exactly playing games like Walter.

Aside from the time he kidnapped 4 women including Richter's betrothed and yet for some reason just decided not to kill her or turn her (aside from the bad ending).
Which I also find contradictory in itself. Dracula has the perfect opportunity to potentially end the Belmont bloodline but lets it slip through his fingers. Doesn't sound like Dracula, doesn't even sound like Mathias, seeing as he gave Sara to Walter without hesitation and the fact that a Belmont's betrothed has been the root of his downfall for the better part of 100 years by DXC/ RoB.

[Shinobi]

Guys let's not forget how come there are two Vampire Killer whip in Castlevania 2 Belmont's Revenge.

[Dracula9]

There's nothing in the canon to suggest that Soleiyu wields the Vampire Killer in BR. Since he was corrupted by Dracula it's highly unlikely he would've even been able to hold the VK, let alone wield it effectively.

No, Soleiyu's just stated to have a regular whip from what I've seen. There could be some obscure interview or detail I don't know of, though.