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Re: A supposition on Dracula's Vulnerabilities
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2016, 09:09:40 PM »
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Isn't LoD retconned, though? How would Cornell anything be an issue?

You've just described a Ship of Theseus argument, and I love these.

Essentially, if you replace all the parts in a ship till nothing original remains, is it still the same ship?

Likewise, the leather has been replaced on the whip, so if we replace the handle, is it the same whip?

Tough question. Get yer philosophy hats on!

The best way I can think to explain a potential method is thus:


Since we're already dealing with alchemy/magic/soul-binding, there's already a suspension of disbelief going on in some form. Extending that to "the same kind of processes used to upgrade an enchanted whip might also be used to bind/isolate its energies into specific portions of the whip so that it becomes possible to upgrade the entire weapon's parts and still maintain the original energies and 'soul' of it due to clever manipulation and redistribution of those energies" isn't a very far stretch, and feels rather sensible/plausible IMO.
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Re: A supposition on Dracula's Vulnerabilities
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2016, 09:40:23 PM »
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I have to say I agree with the idea that Dracula is most vulnerable to his own power. Bulgarian folklore does state that a dhampirs were specially selected as vampire hunters since they possessed the vampire's advantages, but none of their disadvantages.

Now, let's not forget alchemy became a very important part of the story after LoI. I strongly believe Dracula in the end IS weak to alchemy. Why?  The VK was an alchemical whip before being infused with Sara's soul, and her soul was trapped in it using alchemy. I'm not expert in the subject, but it sounds to me that the power of the whip and Dracula's power (which comes from the Crimson Stone, made by alchemy) resonate in some sort of alchemical process. As far as I know, alchemy repeats over and over again the same process of burning, distilling, grinding, etc. to purify the materials. Maybe Dracula's soul was purified by being subjected to the same process of dying and resurrecting over and over again, because alchemy was applied to it over and over again.

On the VK: this is complete headcanon, but since the Belmonts have witch blood thanks to Sypha, even if the whip itself was completely replaced, Sara's soul could be infused in the new whip by mystic magical means. Juste, for example, can fuse spells with weapons. So, only in theory, they could infuse the VK's spirit into a new vessel (which might or might not have been taken as a sign of disrespect by the lady living in the old whip and might or might not be related to the bloodline being unable to touch the whip till 1999 and stuff). Then again, this is pure speculation so, yeah, whatevs.
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Re: A supposition on Dracula's Vulnerabilities
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2016, 11:53:31 PM »
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Isn't LoD retconned, though? How would Cornell anything be an issue?

True. But retconned or not people still bring up Cornell's involved confrontation with Dracula from time to time.
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Re: A supposition on Dracula's Vulnerabilities
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2016, 05:16:55 AM »
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True. But retconned or not people still bring up Cornell's involved confrontation with Dracula from time to time.

Cornell only fought off Ultimate Dracula for long enough until his wolf form was absorbed though. He sends him back to where ever he came from. It means Cornell has incredible strength but not necessarily that he can kill Dracula in his true incarnated form (as Reinhardt and Carrie supposedly did).
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Re: A supposition on Dracula's Vulnerabilities
« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2016, 02:42:56 AM »
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Now THIS makes sense as to why Hector could defeat Dracula while he is not of Belmont blood.

Sorry to double-post but I thought this was interesting, straight off wikipedia under Castlevania COD:

Hector proceeds to fight Dracula, who is unable to take full control of Isaac's body and returns to the afterlife. Hector then uses his powers as a Devil Forgemaster to lift the Curse.
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Re: A supposition on Dracula's Vulnerabilities
« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2016, 09:54:56 AM »
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Hector proceeds to fight Dracula, who is unable to take full control of Isaac's body and returns to the afterlife. Hector then uses his powers as a Devil Forgemaster to lift the Curse.

I think there was a thread about this very subject a while back. Don't know if any of us ever reached a conclusion about it though.
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Re: A supposition on Dracula's Vulnerabilities
« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2016, 11:48:15 AM »
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I think there was a thread about this very subject a while back. Don't know if any of us ever reached a conclusion about it though.

I thought that thread was about Dracula's remains being Isaac's remains in all subsequent games. This would be suggesting something else. Since Isaac was the vessel for a Dracula's resurrection, his vessel (body) was still not taken over by Dracula yet. The process/ transformation was unable to be completed which is why we see Isaac's body after the fight.
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