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Opinions on Mega Man 11 (so far)
« on: September 07, 2018, 05:44:34 PM »
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Personally, I'm not impressed. I'm a mega Man veteran, have loved the series and the X series (at least the trilogy) but this entry doesn't feel like it really fits in my opinion. I know it's just a demo and not the final version at all but with all the praise and hype it's getting, I don't really see why or how. To me, it feels more like a more polished mighty number 9. The music is fantastic. The graphics are great as well. I get that it's a demo but why so much praise? The heavy reliance on the new "gear system" really cripples the all around feel of it being a legit Mega Man game. Take a look at 9 and 10. They took a step back in graphics as well as staying to a traditional feel and were great entries in the series. This one while having better graphics, changes the formula completely and it just doesn't flow very smoothly, at least to me. What do you guys think?
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Re: Opinions on Mega Man 11 (so far)
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2018, 07:08:07 AM »
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Well, it seemed challenging.  It took me awhile to get through it, but I could see a few reasons for that:
- Playing it after midnight after a long, tiring day probably meant I wasn't thinking/reacting well
- Something in the way it controlled felt weird somehow -- I don't have a clue how to explain it.  I know I've felt the same way about several Mega Man titles (and other games) with similar graphic styles.  It seems slow or like I'm not moving how/when I expect or something...*shrug*
- I was playing mostly without utilizing the gear system

I liked it enough that I think I'll pick it up (if/when the wallet allows), but I'm not completely sold on it.  I don't think I have a problem with the gear system.  However, if the progression of Block Man's fight is an example of how they'll all go, I'm not too excited about that.  Starting with a more typical, patterned boss fight that progresses into a giant boss fight is a cool idea (although I couldn't figure out the pattern for that one -- I hope just because I was tired).  While I liked the way bosses in Bloodstained:CotM had a final "last ditch effort" attack, I didn't like how they did it for Block Man.


But I'm probably still gonna buy it.

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Re: Opinions on Mega Man 11 (so far)
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2018, 09:46:14 AM »
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I didn’t know a MM11 demo was available, thanks for info. Definitely going to try it out later today.

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Re: Opinions on Mega Man 11 (so far)
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2018, 11:37:22 PM »
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I don't have the system this game will be on, so no buy for me, nor no care.  ;D

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Re: Opinions on Mega Man 11 (so far)
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2018, 02:30:53 PM »
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^ Isn't coming out for PC, though.


It looks ok to me.
The gear system is pretty, meh. Feels like it would fit better in MMX than in classic. Plus, it'll likely detract from the utility of the master weapons like the mega buster already does. That was the reason they removed it in MM9 & 10 in the first place.
Other than that, it reminds me of MM7 a bit with the somewhat over-designed robot masters. Not as bad as MM7, but still.
The level design seems pretty solid at least. And nothing seems to necessarily require the use of the gears in the stages at least.
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Re: Opinions on Mega Man 11 (so far)
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2018, 05:05:11 PM »
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I wouldn't be comparing this to MN9. It doesn't look like MM at its best, but Capcom by the same token can't just make a crust off 8-bit entries. They need to attract new and old fans.
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Re: Opinions on Mega Man 11 (so far)
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2018, 05:28:42 PM »
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I realize it might be too much work, or it might just not be possible considering the gameplay and features of MM11...but I'd wish for (and totally be all over) an 8-bit version of this game.  Pixelate everything and make as few changes as possible (only the things that really have to be changed) and I'd be a lot more excited and into this game.  They maybe can't make a crust off 8-bit, but I'd even be willing to shell out another couple of bucks for an 8-bit version as part of the package, or a future download.  I'd strive to achieve whatever goal necessary to get the 8-bit game if it were an unlockable feature.

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Re: Opinions on Mega Man 11 (so far)
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2018, 05:59:36 PM »
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I realize it might be too much work, or it might just not be possible considering the gameplay and features of MM11...but I'd wish for (and totally be all over) an 8-bit version of this game.  Pixelate everything and make as few changes as possible (only the things that really have to be changed) and I'd be a lot more excited and into this game.  They maybe can't make a crust off 8-bit, but I'd even be willing to shell out another couple of bucks for an 8-bit version as part of the package, or a future download.  I'd strive to achieve whatever goal necessary to get the 8-bit game if it were an unlockable feature.

The problem here is you're one of the oldschool fans like myself who appreciates 8-bit games. In reality yes they could have gone the Galaga DX route and offered alternate graphic styles in an HD format, but that increases development time which increases overheads, which increases product cost. Sure, oldschool fans and such may be willing to pay the price, but people in general aren't a fan of spending money these days, there's been at least one person on this thread saying they wouldn't purchase MM11, and this is quite a specific place to be posting online.

In truth I myself won't be purchasing it. Hell I almost didn't purchase Sonic Mania because I thought it was too expensive, but I was gifted an eb voucher and ended up using it.
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Re: Opinions on Mega Man 11 (so far)
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2018, 01:56:36 PM »
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I'm an old-school Mega Man fan, too. (Started with Mega Man 2 and then went back to play Mega Man 1 before Mega Man 3 came out.) I have gotten pretty concerned about Mega Man 11 in recent months. I can't play the Demo since it's not on Steam, but from what I've seen and read, it doesn't come across as a confident next-gen 2D Mega Man. The Double Gear system seems to have been put in there to make the concept of Mega Man more accessible to a general audience, which is understandable, but then I hear they baked it into the level design fairly heavily, making it less optional than I had expected. As was said here, I think it might take away from using Robot Masters' weapons. They've had upgrade parts you could buy from Auto or Dr. Light for a while in the series, so I'm a little surprised the Double Gear wasn't put into something like that. The way each boss is like two bosses in one kind of makes me feel like I won't get a good feel for a boss' standard identity. But overall, it just looks sort of bland. It doesn't look overwhelmingly like a next-gen Mega Man game. I really liked Mega Man 7, and this doesn't feel like the kind of jump we saw from the NES to SNES. A lot of the backgrounds and foregrounds look too simple or washed out. The game doesn't "pop." I'm not sure it's much better visually than Mighty No.9 on the whole. It may be more consistent, but in terms of overall visual impact, not so much from what I've seen so far.

Mighty No.9 was rough around the edges (some spots of slowdown and unpolished graphical effects/models) and was part of a Kickstarter fiasco, but Mighty No.9 was actually a really fun game once one got used to what it was trying to do. (The dash mechanic was even better than X's dash mechanic.) And it took some level design risks with its 3D assets, like objects from the background falling into the foreground and such. I don't know that this new Mega Man is really trying for the wow factor. And after Mega Man 9 and 10 being retro 8-bit titles, I think Mega Man needs some wow factor. Even as a longtime Mega Man fan, I'm not married to it being 8-bit by any means, and feel that I've had more than my share of that style. I want Mega Man to move into the future while still maintaining it's core identity. Mega Man 11 looks like it's more of half-steps, which doesn't separate itself far enough from the experimental Mighty No.9 in my opinion. I mean, Mega Man 11 doesn't really look like it's upped its overall visual impression (aside from rendering) from what we had on the PSP's Powered Up, and that was a while ago.

I'll still pick it up sooner or later, but I'm not exactly hyped.
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Re: Opinions on Mega Man 11 (so far)
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2018, 03:39:10 AM »
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I'm not married to it being 8-bit by any means, and feel that I've had more than my share of that style. I want Mega Man to move into the future while still maintaining it's core identity... Mega Man 11 doesn't really look like it's upped its overall visual impression (aside from rendering) from what we had on the PSP's Powered Up, and that was a while ago.

Maybe I'm alone in this opinion, but 11 looks like a 2.5D version of 8 to me, and although I will always choose sprites, I think it looks decent.
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