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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #150 on: March 07, 2020, 03:16:20 AM »
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Here's a click-baity article but it's refreshing to see an article point out the many weak points in the writing of the show instead of the constant shilling going on:

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Honestly, Season 1 is riddled with at least as many of these lapses in consistency as Season 2 or 3, but it's even more egregious due to the short length.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #151 on: March 07, 2020, 04:56:19 AM »
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It's like Warren Ellis is trying to create his own Game of Thrones but doesn't have the talent to do so. Oh, and it's Castlevania, an action series with a cool bestiary, something that should be pretty easy to adapt but was only done somewhat successfully in season 1.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #152 on: March 07, 2020, 05:14:45 AM »
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Honestly, I thought the season started strong in the first couple of episodes, but it went downhill with filler. Oh, betrayal! How shocking! Hector and Alucard are pretty much in the same place as they were at the end of S2 and Alucard’s entire plot line feel like they just threw darts at a wall with various “ideas” and mashed them together. I feel the most interesting stuff that occurred was actually with Isaac.

The animation seemed better when not using awkward CG, and the coloring also seemed more appealing overall - could just be me. I was excited to see this season get 10 episodes but now I just feel like that hurt it. Way too much filler being dragged out and it just got plain boring.

And also, the music of course was just there and did nothing for me. It’s a shame to see this season make me question if I’ll really care to watch the show anymore.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #153 on: March 07, 2020, 08:56:08 AM »
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I liked the boundaries season 3 pushed, for TV / Netflix content in itself, especially episodes 9 & 10.

And they need to let Trevor's hair grow longer already.

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #154 on: March 07, 2020, 09:20:22 AM »
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just popping in for a quick bit

with a couple of exceptions from first 2 seasons (mostly dracula and isaac) as well as some issues in this one, i think i enjoyed it a little bit more than the others

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #155 on: March 07, 2020, 11:00:55 AM »
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I really don't have any intentions to watch this series now. Maybe season's 1 & 2 are passable but season 3 sounds really, really off to me. I'll stick with the games and my own personal cannon.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #156 on: March 07, 2020, 11:53:51 AM »
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There were things I did enjoy about the first 2 seasons. Mostly animation feats. I like Samuel Deats a lot.

I was going to watch it, but I've heard enough for now. Apparently the music didn't improve, they are only leaning more into trying to be the animated GOT instead of CV. Maybe it would help if Ellis would play 1 minute of a CV game or watch a YouTube play rather than relying on wikipedia for all of his CV knowledge. I read an interview with him recently and all I could think is what the hell dude, why are you the person they chose to write this?

When CV Netlfix wins out over my urge to watch through Parks and Rec for a second time maybe I'll come back with more to say.

Since everyone here has Netlfix obviously, I recommend checking out Kingdom, it's fantastic and season 2 is coming.

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #157 on: March 07, 2020, 01:47:17 PM »
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To me it was very much a world building season.  I liked that about the season.  I liked the way they are expanding on events and setting the scene with things.  It’s letting characters breathe and act, and the philosophical discussions are interesting.  I’d like to see a bit more doing things rather than just sitting round chatting, but over all I enjoyed it.  I loved Lenore, she felt like she showed up and could have walked right out the games even though she hasn’t.  My biggest issues are Hector being a bit too naive and wet puppy dog for my liking, and most of Alucard’s plot.  I’m fine with seeing his grief and self isolation and the effects on his mental health, but while I thought it interesting they have a connection to Cho turn up, I felt they could have had a smaller role.  I felt it made it a bit jarring.  I think they could have had similar ideas of what to explore without focusing on the fanboy and fangirl thing.  Alucard, while young, felt a bit out of character.  Sypha was hilarious, although I thought on first watching Reynoso’s voice for her sounded a bit off in the first couple of episodes.  That said I love how badass she is.  I love this series has strong female characters who have their own agency, who aren’t just there to be brainless eye candy and be weak, simpering, and unable to do things for themselves.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #158 on: March 07, 2020, 04:16:47 PM »
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One thing I hate about the way Netflix drops all episodes of a new season of a show  at once is how there’s never a time when all fans online are on the same page and able to discuss a particular episode.  I only watch one episode a day, so I’ll have to keep my eyes closed for a couple weeks to avoid spoilers.  Anyways, I’ll be back when I’m done, haha.

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #159 on: March 07, 2020, 08:12:13 PM »
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You know I have to say, I actually liked this season a lot.  I was extremely disappointed with season 2, because of the ways I felt it failed as an adaption, but given how much this thing was just completely its own thing, it's not really adapting anything from the games, I found it rather enjoyable.

I thought the writing was mostly pretty great, it's really bewildering to me that so many of you are attacking that aspect.  I think the general consensus from critics is right in the money here.  Some of the vampire stuff got a little bit ridiculously sexual... But honestly... Welcome to the last two hundred years of vampire fiction... Vampires are sexual by their nature

I liked the new characters, and while Isaac and especially Alucard's arcs felt kind of forced and unnecessary, they certainly had high points that I really enjoyed.  The ending was a hard meh all around.  I'll certainly give you that Ellis is not great at endings, and their were several weird wtf moments throughout, but not enough to detract from how good the rest was.  I loved Saint Germaine and everything in the Trevor/Sypha arc, except the twist at the end with judge, that was just a twist for it's own sake.

Last thing I want to say is that this idea that the characters all end up in exactly the same place is a pretty ridiculous claim.  I mean yes, Trevor and Sypha are still out on the road hunting monsters, but they are certainly not the optimistic happy goofs they were at the end of season 2, Alucard is sad and alone, but now he's becoming a brooding and honestly creepily weird, frightening vampire hermit.  Much like a more benevolent version of Dracula from the original novel.  Hector is captive, but now he's at least close to a respectable level in Carmilla war machine.  Isaac has probably changed the least, but even he has gained greater sense of purpose and determination.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #160 on: March 08, 2020, 12:36:48 AM »
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I gotta ask, cause I haven't seen it yet, but I heard there's like actual gay sex shown on screen or something like that. That doesn't perturb me, but I have to say it's pretty surprising to hear. Back in the 90s, they covered up some of the statues in Super Castlevania IV for fear of offending an American audience. How times have changed...

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #161 on: March 08, 2020, 02:17:53 PM »
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I gotta ask, cause I haven't seen it yet, but I heard there's like actual gay sex shown on screen or something like that. That doesn't perturb me, but I have to say it's pretty surprising to hear. Back in the 90s, they covered up some of the statues in Super Castlevania IV for fear of offending an American audience. How times have changed...

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Having Warren Ellis write this show means it's going to be crude and lewd, and that was always known since the start. I think dark fantasy franchises like The Witcher have kind of numbed the general public to finding this stuff shocking in media. Look at how sex was handled in the first Witcher game to the third, and I think the movement of that needle and what we find acceptable moved along with it. I mean, didn't Season 1 actually feature child corpses? You'd figure that's a bigger line to cross.

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« Reply #162 on: March 08, 2020, 02:55:35 PM »
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Thanks, Foffy. Yeah, you raise a good point, shows like Game of Thrones and the Witcher have probably made folks a lot more tolerant of explicit sex in "dark fantasy" than they would have a few years ago. Well, that's all to the good, I suppose. While it sounds like they could have incorporated Alucard's sexuality more deftly/less abruptly than they did, it certainly won't keep me from watching the show...at least when I have time ;p

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #163 on: March 08, 2020, 03:14:12 PM »
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Personally, I find the idea of Alucard engaging in any kind of sexual activity to be very antithetical to his entire character. He's hell-bent on ending the legacy of his father and even taking the risk of siring a child seems very much out of character for him. Didn't IGA also say something to that effect, that this was one of the reasons Legends was retconned? I suppose that's opening a whole other can of worms right there.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #164 on: March 08, 2020, 08:14:55 PM »
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most of those "plot holes" aren't even plot holes.


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