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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #165 on: March 09, 2020, 02:51:33 AM »
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most of those "plot holes" aren't even plot holes.

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #166 on: March 09, 2020, 04:42:51 AM »
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I felt the same way about it. I guess the end result probably put Alucard's motivations in a different direction, so I can't say that this side plot was pointless. But the way the buildup was executed...it was just kind of...there, I guess? Not my favorite part of the season, for sure.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #167 on: March 09, 2020, 04:49:48 AM »
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It’s actually what I disliked most tbh about the season.  Yes they needed to explore Alucard’s mental state after the events of season two.  I liked the end payoff of what he’s like at the very end.  But I didn’t entirely like what they did to get to that point.  It also felt somewhat out of character, in terms of how he responded in the moment, even with him in a fragile state. 
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #168 on: March 09, 2020, 05:26:38 AM »
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Thank you for this well-argued and insightful comment.

10 - We can't say that Alucard not saving Lisa is a plot hole, because it simply wasn't elaborated and there are plausible reasons for him not being able to do it (like, for example, simply not being there)

9 - Alucard's disdain is outright shown to be because the baby vampire skull. Considering we don't see other vampire babies, it's possible it's even a dhampir. In any case, it's clearly a moment of projection

8 - The text of point 8 literally states why it's not a plot hole. As a plot twist i mean, it's fair not to like it but it's not factually bad or anything like that

7 - Convenient but not a plot hole

6 to 4 - It's shown through his conversation with Isaac that Dracula knows Carmilla is stirring shit and plotting and he literally desn't give a flying fuck because he's depressed af

3 - He's literally "taking the responsabilities of his lineage" by travelling to kill the monsters though....

2 - See 8. Besides, odds of him going full Dracula are slim.

1 - Again, the same as point 8

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #169 on: March 09, 2020, 08:07:26 AM »
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My guess is he might go bad guy for a bit, much as how in CV3 it’s possible that he started out on his father’s side rather than testing Trevor, or a la Kid Dracula, before Trevor and Sypha manage to bring him back round to his senses after finding out trouble is afoot around the castle.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #170 on: March 09, 2020, 10:20:21 AM »
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Personally, I find the idea of Alucard engaging in any kind of sexual activity to be very antithetical to his entire character. He's hell-bent on ending the legacy of his father and even taking the risk of siring a child seems very much out of character for him.

Definitely agree with this. Even though the netflix series is its own thing, Alucard couldn't be far more off from his character. It's true vampires are far more sexual in nature, and it's also true that that it's largely a Victorian era thing for literature, it is simply not Alucard's character. In fact we know very little of Dhampyres in terms of their sexual potency. They're probably more into it then humans, but less then straight-up vampires. But all I know is that this isn't Alucard's cup of tea; straight and/or otherwise. He willingly chose to remain alone due to the fear of his cursed bloodline. He's not going to crawl into the sack with anyone because of this.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #171 on: March 09, 2020, 12:49:07 PM »
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What am I supposed to believe here? Alucard would have jumped in bed with Trevor and Sypha if they let him? Is that what those dolls are for?

Fuck's sake, maybe I'm not a prude. Maybe I just want Castlevania and porn separate. It was just enough to be too much. I think this kind of stuff panders to the lowest denominator.
Honestly, the older I get the more tired I am of sex appeal practically being the forefront of people's engagement in entertainment. Seems like all people care about is who is fucking who, or who they want to see fuck who. It's mentally exhausting. You know what's pretty neat? Magic. Sypha does that.

This is not the same complaint as covering up statues in Castlevania IV, bloody hell.
My complaint with this though doesn't even crack the surface by comparison in terms of the Netflix show's terrible pacing/plot twists.
I know Alucard is a little brooding, but he's not this much of a bitch. Being in the same show as Hector doesn't make it look any better.
That end fight of S2 can't carry the entire show. For the most part it's just... garbage. It tries so hard to be gritty I can't tell if it's actually a dark comedy and I'm not in on the joke.

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If I didn't know any better I'd think these scripts were written by some kid from a gated community who had to go to Sunday school all the way up until he got out of high school and just got his first pc.

What really grinds my gears though is that this show is the face of Castlevania as far as the rest of the world is concerned. I can't really brush it off as a side-thing.
There are things to like, but they're just too far and few between.

To think I once thought Curse of Darkness was making things weird with Isaac.
Can you ever forgive me, CoD?

Isn't it kind of strange though, that Isaac of all characters isn't... portrayed in any sexual manner in this show? Why the hell not? Am I missing the point? Is it just opposite day?
Also, Isaac, the reason people don't like your stupid ass is because you're rolling into town with hellbeasts animated from the corpses of people that were presumably somebody's relatives.
The philosophy in this is almost as bad as the Legacy of Kain series. "Duh, humans are just as bad." Like, guys, I don't know how to tell you this but at the end of the day you're still monsters.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #172 on: March 09, 2020, 01:42:34 PM »
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10 - We can't say that Alucard not saving Lisa is a plot hole, because it simply wasn't elaborated and there are plausible reasons for him not being able to do it (like, for example, simply not being there)

I think you're being too hung up on the definition of "plot hole". The point of the article is too point out weak points in the writing of the show. If a story doesn't address something in the story that really should be addressed in someway, it's perfectly valid to criticize that aspect of the writing. 

9 - Alucard's disdain is outright shown to be because the baby vampire skull. Considering we don't see other vampire babies, it's possible it's even a dhampir. In any case, it's clearly a moment of projection

The sudden introduction of morally ambiguity is really weird, though. All the vampires in the show are shown to display nothing but cruelty and contempt for humans, so why is this suddenly being introduced? The way it's done just makes it look like a half-baked idea Ellis never got to properly develop.

8 - The text of point 8 literally states why it's not a plot hole. As a plot twist i mean, it's fair not to like it but it's not factually bad or anything like that

Again, if something isn't stricly a plot hole doesn't mean it's exempt from criticism. The whole Sleeping Soldier thing is just clumsy writing. It's only mentioned so that the characters have an excuse to go down the catacombs to look for Alucard, even though there's no reason why there would be a centuries old legend about him. Ellis tried to handwave that by saying the legend is actually a prophecy even though the legend isn't phrased in such a way that suggest it's actually a future event. It shows Ellis didn't bother properly thinking how to move the characters from scene a to scene b in a way that makes sense.   

7 - Convenient but not a plot hole

It's nonsensical. The article actually does a good job of explaining this.

6 to 4 - It's shown through his conversation with Isaac that Dracula knows Carmilla is stirring shit and plotting and he literally desn't give a flying fuck because he's depressed af

But why is Dracula suddenly depressed when he didn't act that way in season 1 at all? There's no clear event that triggers this behaviour, so it's just a flimsy excuse to make the plotting happpen. Besides, as the article pointed out, there isn't even a good reason why Dracula would need to summon generals and plan out a strategy considering the powers he displayed in the first season. If you have the power to hurl fire balls from the sky you should be able to conquer or destroy any medieval settlement without much trouble.  The idea of Dracula having his own court is interesting but the way it's executed in season 2 isn't very well thought out, unfortunately. 

Anyway, I think all criticism points (except point 3, I guess) have some merit and I'm suprised you aren't willing to concede to even one.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #173 on: March 09, 2020, 05:01:26 PM »
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #174 on: March 09, 2020, 05:07:50 PM »
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Well, I personally liked this season, Including those things that people will be salty about.
The dialogues have some weak points but a lot of good ones, the scene with Alucard showed greatly how lonesome he is, while with Hector was good too because presented the notion of how much he's being manipulated, and that's ok.

but is still very fun to see some guys in all places being ultra salty as if their opinions would change how Konami should work, I almost forgot the existence of those guys >:D

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #175 on: March 09, 2020, 05:17:53 PM »
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Fuck's sake, maybe I'm not a prude. Maybe I just want Castlevania and porn separate. It was just enough to be too much. I think this kind of stuff panders to the lowest denominator.
Honestly, the older I get the more tired I am of sex appeal practically being the forefront of people's engagement in entertainment. Seems like all people care about is who is fucking who, or who they want to see fuck who. It's mentally exhausting.
I feel it's fine, if it actually services the plot in a meaningful way, which neither of the two bits here do. Both are just contrived means to forward the plot, instead of advancing any kind of character development or to accomplish anything significant.

Granted they were unnecessary to begin with, but it wouldve been fine if they served a purpose.


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"Your life's work makes Him puke."
If I didn't know any better I'd think these scripts were written by some kid from a gated community who had to go to Sunday school all the way up until he got out of high school and just got his first pc.
To be fair, while the subversiveness of Netflix is most certainly why that exists, that one in particular worked just fine, seeing as the Bishop in particular was anything but a holy man. So it works. that whole scene with the demon in the church was brilliant. and contrasts nicely with the common priest showcased later who creates holy water from the well to aid the fight against the demons





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Isn't it kind of strange though, that Isaac of all characters isn't... portrayed in any sexual manner in this show? Why the hell not? Am I missing the point? Is it just opposite day?
Also, Isaac, the reason people don't like your stupid ass is because you're rolling into town with hellbeasts animated from the corpses of people that were presumably somebody's relatives.
The philosophy in this is almost as bad as the Legacy of Kain series. "Duh, humans are just as bad." Like, guys, I don't know how to tell you this but at the end of the day you're still monsters.
Everybody sucks, but that doesn't make you "woke."
Yeah while I like what they did with Isaac, the way his movement progresses is absolutely ridiculous.
>roll up to a town with hellspawn
>get turned away by guards who have no interest in having that shit marauding through their town
>HUMANS R BAD AND MEAN BECAUSE THEY DIDNT LET ME THROUGH

it would have MUCH better serviced his philosophy if he was instead befriended by people who later betray him, which cements his view that humans are evil and those acts of kindess are flukes.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #176 on: March 09, 2020, 05:50:32 PM »
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A small touch this season I did appreciate was the Beelzebub cameo in the priory, complete with flies buzzing about it, as the figure hung upside down at the altar.  Little references in the art has been something I’ve enjoyed while watching.  The Legion one was one of the less subtle, but an interesting way to get in a game nod.  Also aside for some of the slight jerkiness at moments, the art seems to be getting much better with each season, such as the quality of the background art details, and character designs too.  The map details were really good, and if you look closely, it’s labelled as being by S. Stark - one of the animator guys, who also shows up as part of Legion.  I also keep thinking that Carmilla’s castle resembles the castle in LoS. A small detail I discovered this evening is that Lindenfeld is a real place in Romania.  It’s a now abandoned town that was a German colony town established in the 19th century.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #177 on: March 09, 2020, 06:27:07 PM »
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I'll probably be cutting my ties with Castlevania (in a way). It's a shame beacuse it's been my favorite franchise video game or otherwise nearly my whole life. Just isn't my cup of tea with the show.
Trying to figure out where I'd put the line though. I wasn't thrilled with Lords of Shadow. Even the parts of it that are good aren't really Castlevania worthy. It's easier to think of it as another game series. Combo system was great.

Wasn't with Judgment (aesthetically, but gameplay was fun). Don't really like Harmony of Despair but 1000+ hours makes me a hypocrite. Still salty about how mean that game is to players without boots.
I don't know, somewhere in there with Order of Ecclesia and Adventure ReBirth.

It'd be nice to see a new game from Konami, but I'm not sure if it'd be something I'd want. I don't know anything about the recent mobile game, and don't do mobile gaming.
Bloodstained was great.

By the way if you want a chuckle, I had a fever and hadn't slept or eaten for four days (spent most of yesterday in the hospital and turns out I have pneumonia). Anyway I genuinely thought I was having fever dreams for a moment when Alucard and Hector's subplot abruptly got weird.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #178 on: March 09, 2020, 07:52:49 PM »
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I heard someone was slandering legacy of kain what the fuck is this heresy


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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #179 on: March 09, 2020, 08:16:37 PM »
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I heard someone was slandering legacy of kain what the fuck is this heresy

I'd take a bullet for Legacy of Kain but it's got some rough parts.

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