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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #195 on: March 14, 2020, 10:31:22 AM »
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The season could’ve been shorter than it was, like 7 or 8 episodes. Like others have said, a bit too much exposition & dialogue. Although I enjoyed the character development, a lot of times I kept saying to myself “okay get on with it already” and move on to the next scene. But I understand they’re trying to showcase the “in-between” time after Dracula’s defeat; the games cut right to the chase, Dracula is revived, Belmont/a new protagonist steps to kill him, the end. But what about after? The games never explore that, so that’s what this series is trying to do.

They just need to work on the pacing issues between the downtime & action, and we should be okay moving forward

I seriously do hope that this is the case and that something comes of the whole "trying to revive Dracula"-thing. Without him, the series just feels even less than Castlevania than it does already. If the series had any strengths, Dracula was undoubtedly the biggest plus, as his depiction, while certainly morose, was very true to the games and proper canon.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #196 on: March 14, 2020, 12:16:20 PM »
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I went to GameStop and I seen they have Trevor Sypha & Alucard available... but they were trash. Terrible sculpt, especially on Alucard’s face so they were an easy pass for me. The only one I think worth getting would be Dracula, because I saw promo images of him & it looked great. But they might screw it up when it gets to retail so fingers crossed

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #197 on: March 14, 2020, 02:44:31 PM »
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Could all of the terrible things that transpired in Season 3 be attributed to Dracula’s Curse, or was it all just a sad commentary on human nature?

i think it's both. We have the Prior and the monks who were literally corrupted by a demon into sacrificing the whole town, while on the other hand we have The Magician who was a complete monster on his own. The Judge stands in the middle, being both monstruous but having a righteous/dutiful side as well, while the japanese might be a result of being raised by a sadist monster...

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #198 on: March 14, 2020, 06:07:05 PM »
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I just hope we eventually see Death. He is Dracula’s confidant, after all. It would be cool that if Dracula’s acolytes tried to resurrect him, they fail and inadvertently summon Death itself. Then HE becomes the antagonist momentarily, Trevor & co. attempt to defeat him, but fail & he successfully resurrects Dracula using Isaac as a vessel. It would be kinda cool if they bring back Sir Patrick Stewart to voice Death


I want them to continue with this show, because Konami isn’t doing anything substantial with the series & the closest thing we have is Grimoire of Souls, which isn’t even released & is more like a beta half-game  :rollseyes:


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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #199 on: March 15, 2020, 03:32:51 AM »
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I want them to continue with this show, because Konami isn’t doing anything substantial with the series & the closest thing we have is Grimoire of Souls, which isn’t even released & is more like a beta half-game  :rollseyes:


I enjoy the debates we all are having & I want that to continue

No kidding. At this point, the Netflix series is basically all that's keeping this forum alive. Sure it shuffles around the rest of the time and acts out old routines, but then again, so do ghosts.

This place really livens up when there's new content, and, at least to a degree, I like that Ellis diverges so much from what's been established because "New Series --> Initial Backlash --> Second Considerations --> Candid Discussion" both takes longer and is more interesting than "New Series --> Yahoo it's a copy of what we've already seen and done --> Wasn't it neat how they animated that bit? --> Oh hey look we're out of topics again". In that sense at least, divided opinions come with a fair few silver linings. Those creative liberties also mean that not even the most lore obsessed among our ranks has all the answers in advance: everyone will be seeing at least something new with each new season -- whether we like what we see or not... well, that's a matter for (hopefully in depth) debate.

Ellis really needs to stop tormenting Hector and Alucard already though; they do enough of that themselves. They don't need help.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #200 on: March 15, 2020, 05:27:29 AM »
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I agree completely.  All too often these forums are just sitting here idle, with nothing to discuss.  Also, while yeah, it would be nice again to have something a bit closer to some of the game plot, it feels like they are also filling in some of the time gap between the events of Dracula’s Curse, and the defeat of Dracula, and the events of Curse of Darkness, while also taking their own direction.  If I’d wanted a carbon copy adaption of the games I’ll just play the games.  Let the series breathe and do it’s own thing.  Plus it’s awesome seeing more of the world in which these guys are existing.  They aren’t in a vacuum.
  I also agree that I think Hector especially is being kicked too hard.  As for Alucard, while I don’t entirely agree with some of their choices made, I like that we’re seeing the effects of his grief, and seeing how he grows into the distanced but quiet man that he becomes as an immortal ally and guardian of sorts to the Belmonts. 
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« Reply #201 on: March 15, 2020, 08:02:25 AM »
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I hate Warren Ellis.  How anyone let someone that has absolutely no respect for the source material at hand be the head of this clusterf*ck is beyond me.

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #202 on: March 15, 2020, 09:08:29 AM »
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I am quite bemused at this fanbase horny angry feelings about Lenore.

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #203 on: March 15, 2020, 11:00:00 AM »
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I just hope we eventually see Death. He is Dracula’s confidant, after all. It would be cool that if Dracula’s acolytes tried to resurrect him, they fail and inadvertently summon Death itself. Then HE becomes the antagonist momentarily, Trevor & co. attempt to defeat him, but fail & he successfully resurrects Dracula using Isaac as a vessel. It would be kinda cool if they bring back Sir Patrick Stewart to voice Death
I like this idea.
And, from a writing POV, it would be a pretty good way to bring Death into the story. From a japanese perspective, I know Shinigami are a more plural thing, just like they have other mythological creatures, but they style it after the grim reaper, which from a western POV is literally a singular, supernatural entity who is supposed to be neutral and all encompassing.

As Neil Gaiman had his death put it, the one who will outlast the universe and close the door on the way out once the time comes.

Which was always weird to have as a lackey to Dracula.

Which is why I felt the LoS approach had considerable merit in the approach of basically being a necromancer type character.

So I could see Death being introduced as some kind of powerful necromancer demon summoned by those wishing to resurrect Dracula.

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So would be interesting to have a Death type character to use some sort of scheme to resurrect him by force.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #204 on: March 15, 2020, 11:00:59 AM »
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We won't know if Warren has made his parents angry enough until S4.

The problem with things like this is the bar doesn't get higher.
I understand vampire media has had its fair share of similar themes, but not once did I get that vibe from Castlevania. Not like this.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #205 on: March 15, 2020, 01:21:58 PM »
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During parts of the show, I was thinking that the Visitor might have been Death.  It kind of reminded me of one of Death’s true forms, perhaps before it became so skeletal.  I dunno, they could always have it resurrect and become Death some day. 

One thing that was nice about the slow pace of the show is that it gave me plenty of time for my eyes to wander and take in the background of whatever castle, building, town, forest they happened to be in.  I always do that while playing the games, pausing the action after killing everything in the room for quite a while and just enjoy “being” there.

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #206 on: March 15, 2020, 02:47:16 PM »
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One thing that was nice about the slow pace of the show is that it gave me plenty of time for my eyes to wander and take in the background of whatever castle, building, town, forest they happened to be in.  I always do that while playing the games, pausing the action after killing everything in the room for quite a while and just enjoy “being” there.

So glad I'm not alone in this, on both fronts. And the scenery in this season was the most gorgeous it's ever been.

I particularly liked Carmilla's castle for ditching the "VAMPIR YUZE BLACK AN RED AND ONLY BLACK AD RED MAYB SUM GOLD TRIM IF THEY FANCY" aesthetic that Vampires have been largely cursed with for god knows how long. Carmilla and her sisters give the impression of people living their immortality determined to enjoy it, surrounding themselves with nice things, wearing clothes they like, enjoying food they can't even derive sustenance from, decorating the castle in whites and primary colors, and with Lenore especially taking time to just admire the land around them.

"I don't see how a sunrise could possibly improve this."

Carmilla and her clan are a complete 180 from Dracula last season, who started as a firebrand, but burned out and remained kind of an angry but depressed husk unless provoked. (Evidently staying on a rage high for a whole damn year while you summon an army from hell has that effect.)

The fact that they take the time to enjoy things --with Carmilla evidently having "plotting schemes" down as a no-kidding HOBBY if her "sister's" dialog is anything to go by (if nothing else, they all agree it's her hobby)--  without a moment set aside for depressive brooding or mulling over how cursed they are or how angry and vengeful they are, was such a relief to me because it flies in the face of how vampires are typically portrayed and it's part of why I look forward to their return.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #207 on: March 15, 2020, 02:48:39 PM »
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I hate Warren Ellis.  How anyone let someone that has absolutely no respect for the source material at hand be the head of this clusterf*ck is beyond me.

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #208 on: March 15, 2020, 07:40:20 PM »
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I hate Warren Ellis.  How anyone let someone that has absolutely no respect for the source material at hand be the head of this clusterf*ck is beyond me.

I was hoping it would be more faithful to the source material, and I was initially excited that Warren Ellis was writing it, since his version of the comic series The Authority was the only one I really, really liked. The sex scenes felt weird for something with Castlevania in the title.

But I still think it could be far, far worse. I enjoy it for what it is: not perfect, but not terrible, imo. In the absence of an actual Castlevania game to play, I'll continue to watch it.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #209 on: March 15, 2020, 07:44:33 PM »
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IIRC, according to the leak Cox wasn't that big of a problem actually. The actual huge one was the other guy, Alvarez or something like that.

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