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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2019, 06:44:23 AM »
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I thought it was completely out of place when Alucard made that penis joke. Like come on

Shoulda been reserved for someone like Grant*, whom was completely omitted from the series altogether. And I don’t think we’ll see Death at all, at least in a speaking role.

*if they’re using the excuse of “we didn’t know what to do with him,” well then, just make him the Han Solo of the series; someone that may not have no personal vendetta against Dracula but make him involved by association anyway, and towards the end have him play a viable role in his defeat like aiding the heroes in breaching the castle. That’s how I would’ve done it at least
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2019, 10:22:20 AM »
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I have no real issues with Alucard getting some more screen time. What I did have an issue with is that he was the one to deliver the fatal blow to Dracula. SotN was for Alucard to do that,  Not CV3. Trevor was the one to end Dracula in that game while the others lent him their assistance. I think this is also what AlexCalvo meant when he made his comment.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2019, 11:27:05 AM »
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I thought it was completely out of place when Alucard made that penis joke. Like come on

Shoulda been reserved for someone like Grant*, whom was completely omitted from the series altogether. And I don’t think we’ll see Death at all, at least in a speaking role.

*if they’re using the excuse of “we didn’t know what to do with him,” well then, just make him the Han Solo of the series; someone that may not have no personal vendetta against Dracula but make him involved by association anyway, and towards the end have him play a viable role in his defeat like aiding the heroes in breaching the castle. That’s how I would’ve done it at least

No time to figure out how to include Grant. But here's this guy named Godbrand that no one gives a dick about that gets all this screen time. Ugh.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2019, 02:20:37 PM »
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No time to figure out how to include Grant. But here's this guy named Godbrand that no one gives a dick about that gets all this screen time. Ugh.

Here's this guy named "Thinly Veiled Peter Stormare Who Is Always Welcome In Everything Because He's Hilarious and Has a Lot of International Appeal and Name Recognition". And Godbrand dies halfway through the season, so he's not actually there that long. He's also there so that Dracula's generals essentially have A voiced character, otherwise they're all mutes (which I'm ticked about, but I'll live).

Sorry but, they made the right call. Grant's most interesting stuff happens after Dracula's dead, and he doesn't really contribute that much to the fight. His greatest legacy is helping to rebuild and lead Wallachia after Dracula's death (which gets sabotaged just a few years later by Dracula's Curse, but he gave it the ole' college try, bless). Grant also has the unfortunate distinction of being a character that most players tend to skip over or drop asap, and routinely comes up in polls and surveys as the most forgettable of CV3's cast of characters, and he usually ranks poorly across the cast of the series as a whole, little better than guys like Maxim Kischne and Reinhardt Schneider.

By including Carmilla, Hector, and Isaac, they'd essentially maxed out on main characters. Adding more would have started to stretch the season, which already has rather a lot happening in a short span. By introducing Sticky Pirate to the main cast, they take time away from what's already happening to explain why he's important, and giving him enough screen time to make him feel like he contributes something. It also torpedoes the character dynamic between the 3 mains we already had and forces a new one to be developed, all of which takes time, and Season One is 4 half hour episodes and Season 2 is 8. Where do you suggest they put all that? It's not like they can phone up Netflix and be like "we need to grossly inflate the budget and get more episodes and add six months of production time because there's this one guy we HAVE to include". Most production companies aren't keen on people who ask that, either, so the very act of asking may have been Adi Shankar risking his job.

With the episodes they had to work with, cutting Grant was absolutely the right production decision. Nothing they could do would please everyone, but this was definitely the best compromise they could make.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2019, 03:14:12 PM »
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I just don't want to see Godbrand in anything ever is all.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2019, 05:24:02 PM »
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Thanks for glossing over my point about how I would be completely fine with a season without Alucard in it at all. :P

My point flew completely over your head but whatever lol.

Unlike yourself I'm not so blindly partial to the point of where I would be ok with the show being cancelled just because my favorite character did not get more screentime, just because I'm a Alucard fan does not mean I can't be impartial with the Anime and the events they adapt, you on the other hand seem to be the one incapable of being impartial since your willing to drop the show due to your character not getting the screentime you want him to have while I on the otherhand would be fine with newer seasons not having Alucard in it at all, to be honest I would want them to adapt the next few seasons towards events with Simon or Christopher and have Alucard take a long break until they eventually circle back to it with a hypothetical SOTN adaption.

Your fanboy is showing.  I never mentioned anything about screen time, nor is Trevor my favorite character.  He is however supposed to be at least useful in a fight against Dracula.  Stop making up opinions to fight against.  You're coming off as obscenely snooty.  And how gracious of you to be cool with them theoretically leaving Alucard out of stories he was never a part of...

I am not at all happy with the way they've taken this show, for many reasons, and as a life long fan of the games, I would prefer it just end, rather than continue to prattle on without respecting the source material. 🤷

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2019, 06:04:11 PM »
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Your fanboy is showing.  I never mentioned anything about screen time, nor is Trevor my favorite character.  He is however supposed to be at least useful in a fight against Dracula.  Stop making up opinions to fight against.  You're coming off as obscenely snooty.  And how gracious of you to be cool with them theoretically leaving Alucard out of stories he was never a part of...

I am not at all happy with the way they've taken this show, for many reasons, and as a life long fan of the games, I would prefer it just end, rather than continue to prattle on without respecting the source material. 🤷

You need to learn how to handle differing opinions.

Your definition of fanboy is baffling, so because someone has a favorite character that means they are a fanboy who's opinion on anything related to that character automatically is biased and should be written off as nothing accordingly.....ok?

But we are having a discussion, I can handle differing opinions just fine and have being handling it just fine, I'm only calling it how I see it when it comes to you since you apparently felt the need to reply to my post insinuating that my opinion is mute since I can't be impartial when it comes to Alucard which is just BS for reasons I already listed, If I was the fanboy you so desperately want to portray me as I would have been complaining like crazy that Alucard only got 1 episode in season 1 or I would be asking them to somehow shoehorn Alucard into the events of Simon's or Christopher since after all this anime does already take liberties with the source material so why not?

My point is that I don't care if Alucard is the star of this show one bit, they can cut him out of the next season entirely and that would suit me just fine, my point was towards you apparently wanting the show to end just because you did not get what you want and I just find that weird and close-minded is all, thats just my opinion on the matter and you can disagree with that but if your coming here trying to muddy my opinion simply because I happen to have a username with Alucard in it than that is just the kind of logic I can't get behind and will call it out.

If I where having a conversation about Juste Belmont with someone who had Juste Belmont in their username I would not be be close-minded and simply call them nothing more than a fanboy who can't be impartial and thus their opinion is mute on the subject, just not the way I would handle things but clearly your different.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2019, 07:23:06 PM »
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Here's this guy named "Thinly Veiled Peter Stormare Who Is Always Welcome In Everything Because He's Hilarious and Has a Lot of International Appeal and Name Recognition". And Godbrand dies halfway through the season, so he's not actually there that long. He's also there so that Dracula's generals essentially have A voiced character, otherwise they're all mutes (which I'm ticked about, but I'll live).

Sorry but, they made the right call. Grant's most interesting stuff happens after Dracula's dead, and he doesn't really contribute that much to the fight. His greatest legacy is helping to rebuild and lead Wallachia after Dracula's death (which gets sabotaged just a few years later by Dracula's Curse, but he gave it the ole' college try, bless). Grant also has the unfortunate distinction of being a character that most players tend to skip over or drop asap, and routinely comes up in polls and surveys as the most forgettable of CV3's cast of characters, and he usually ranks poorly across the cast of the series as a whole, little better than guys like Maxim Kischne and Reinhardt Schneider.

By including Carmilla, Hector, and Isaac, they'd essentially maxed out on main characters. Adding more would have started to stretch the season, which already has rather a lot happening in a short span. By introducing Sticky Pirate to the main cast, they take time away from what's already happening to explain why he's important, and giving him enough screen time to make him feel like he contributes something. It also torpedoes the character dynamic between the 3 mains we already had and forces a new one to be developed, all of which takes time, and Season One is 4 half hour episodes and Season 2 is 8. Where do you suggest they put all that? It's not like they can phone up Netflix and be like "we need to grossly inflate the budget and get more episodes and add six months of production time because there's this one guy we HAVE to include". Most production companies aren't keen on people who ask that, either, so the very act of asking may have been Adi Shankar risking his job.

With the episodes they had to work with, cutting Grant was absolutely the right production decision. Nothing they could do would please everyone, but this was definitely the best compromise they could make.

Nah I don't agree.

Grant should have been introduced as a cursed villain like he is in cv3. This could have been a great character evolution to unfold and sidesteps the problem of introducing too many heroes at once in a season.

It can't be a matter of too many characters when they are adding in their own crappy characters like Godbrand who would fit in better with the WWF than he does CV. That excuse is nullified by his very existence. Grant could have filled the role they decided to give to him. It was just a bad call imo.

Sort of like not using any CV theme in the music until season two and then when they do it's a Simon's Quest theme and not a CV3 theme was a bad call.

But what do I know. It's all good either way. I just like to make fun of Godbrand.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2019, 11:07:50 AM »
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They could have left out Carmilla. Her character isn't supposed to appear in the CV universe until Simon's Quest (which interestingly enough takes place only a few years after the original Carmilla novel) and makes sense chronologically. And I can see that having introduce Grant by means of an enemy (his cursed form), to freeing him from said curse would allow the character some substance. There could have been a couple of a episodes for Grant;

Episode 1) introduction of monster Grant/conflict/freed from the curse.

Episode 2) Grant tells the tragic story of his family's demise by Dracula/Goes back to town to help the villagers defend against further undead assaults.

Even if he never travelled with Trevor and Co. they could have still Incorporated his character into the series, even if it was only a small role. It should also be noted that Grant isn't a pirate as the US brands him out to be. Even in the US version the ending sequence calls him an 'Acrobat'. This would mean that he is a performer of sorts, wielding knives and doing all sorts of crazy mid-air stunts to wow the crowds. Grant and his family could have most likely been Gypsies travelling through Transylvania and encountered Dracula's forces by accident. And thus we are left with an entire caravan decimated, its people slaughtered, and a lone man now cursed to serve Dracula. This also seems to make more sense as the Black sea is somewhat landlocked and would not make for good pirate prowling. Especially since the only way out is through the port of Istanbul. Not going to happen during such a turbulent time.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2019, 11:36:48 PM »
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My expectation for the season is that it will show Alucard going down a dark path now that he's the master of Dracula's Castle.  Trevor might have to put him in his place haha.  Then he would probably put himself into that centuries long slumber because he can't trust himself to be among humans or something.  Then sprinkle in all the other stuff that's going on with Carmilla, the Devil Forgemasters, and Grant.  Looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.

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« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2019, 10:14:32 AM »
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Keep in mind that the show is written by someone who's never played the games, and probably doesn't have the same emotional ties to the CV universe that hardcore fans do. That could help explain the absence of Grant, the introduction of Carmilla earlier than she was in the games, and Godbrand and all his bullshit, etc. Also, who's to say Grant won't be in season 3? There are a LOT of open ended scenarios to play out.

Speaking of Godbrand, I think he was an important character for several reasons. First and foremost, you needed to have an outspoken general who questioned the status quo. This sets up ways to not only show Dracula's authority, but it highlighted his preferential regard for Hector and Isaac and clarified their position in Drac's court. Think about it - if you're a centuries-old, powerful vampire lord, are you going to be happy taking orders from a human? Probably not. Most of the court fell in line, but Godbrand challenged the the whole methodology of the war effort. That was necessary. Furthermore, it allowed us to see an important side of Carmilla, wherein her hidden motives were revealed through Godbrand acting out his frustrations.

While basically an annoying boob, Godbrand had some key value IMHO.
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« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2019, 09:26:19 PM »
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Thought it was a quality show. Things seemed rushed at the end...bust down Drac's front door and here we go, but I guess they didn't know if there was gonna be a 3rd season at the time. I was always a fan at how expansive the castle was from the backgrounds in SotN and imagined it would take a day or more to traverse it on foot. I'm looking forward to next season.

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« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2019, 12:26:22 PM »
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I'm late to this conversation but I always felt the whole Dracula is Mathias thing was a bit limiting. It was neat to tie Dracula to a dramatic betrayal with Leon, and that was all fun, but there's something to be said about the character having a bit more mystique before that, when you just assumed he was the actual Vlad Dracula, and his transformation into Dracula the vampire was unknown dark sorcery. It never needed to be explained. kind of like "the force" in Star Wars didn't need to be explained as "lol midichlorians"

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2019, 11:01:45 AM »
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I don't really mind LoI's origin story though you could argue that at best it's unneccesary and at worst makes Dracula's character arc more convoluted that it needs to be. The personal connection between Dracula and the Belmonts is interesting but ultimately doesn't matter. It isn't like there wasn't any incentive for the Belmonts to go and stop Dracula in the earlier games. You could skip LoI, read the Japanese intro for CV3 and be all caught up as far as the state of the world is concerned. "Dracula is an evil tyrant who wants to take over the world and the Belmonts want to stop him because fighting monsters is their job." There really isn't anything more that needs to be revealed about both parties.  It's also telling that none of the later games in the timeline have ever referenced Dracula's original identity of Mathias Cronqvist because there simply isn't any reason to from a story perspective. Everything you need to know about his character you could learn from either CV3's opening crawl or alternatively from his retconned backstory as told in SotN. I think SotN actually adds more to Dracula's character than LoI despite technically not being an origin story. Dracula got changed from a generic bad guy who wants power for power's sake into a more humanised figure who turns evil because he was treated unfairly. I always thought it was kind of unimaginative LoI simply repeats the same plot point. On top of that it makes things unnecessarily complicated because it resulted in there being two points in the timeline where Dracula undergoes a transformation into being a villian. It's not like his first transformation has any effect on his second one. You could scrap the first one and it wouldn't affect the second. I think it's also sort of jarring that after Dracula's first villainous turn, he goes on to marry Lisa who has some strong Virgin Mary/Christian martyr vibes going on. It would have been neater from a character writing perspective if Dracula's transformation into a vampire wasn't tied to his transformation into being a villian. That way there wouldn't be any need to backtrack on Dracula's character development in order for his marriage to Lisa to work.

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« Reply #44 on: December 25, 2019, 12:17:07 PM »
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I personally feel that LoI was IGAs knee-jerk reaction to Legends. Before legends came out there was no word or thought of an origin story for CV. CVIII was essentially the origin story of the Belmont's first clash against Dracula. LoI was unnecessary in that regard amongst other reasons as well.
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