Topic: Lords of shadow 2 is on it's way

[beingthehero]

He was doing us right, and people still shit on him. I don't understand it at all. IGA gets way too much hate, for no reaosn at all. If you're going to fault the man, at least make a decent point, not some bullshit. At the end of the day IGA's titles were great games, even if they all didn't make the insanely high Castlevania standards of old. You all forget how lucky you are to have a producer who gave enough shits not to churn out some slopped out unplayable garbage.

Sometimes I think the hate is a way to seem like you're in vogue with the fanbase, or something, even though the majority nowadays seem sincerely like the guy. This occurs despite the same people often praising AoS et al.

This 'my guy is better than your guy!' is kind of dumb.

[Profbeanburrito]

I honestly don't think Mercury Steam has it in them to deliver a Castlevania that I would like to see, so I have little, little faith they will successfully address the issues with Lords of Shadow.

Well unfortunately for you, Mecury Steam doesn't care if they deliver a Castlevania specifically for you. I for one, am embracing the new series, because as much as I love the classics and igas cannon, it's been a little stale, with few exceptions.

[VladCT]

This 'my guy is better than your guy!' is kind of dumb.

I wish I could +1 you 666 times.

[Flame]

IGA started to address the problems too late IMO.

After games like CoD, DoS, PoR and Judgement sort of turned people off, for whatever various reasons.

He seemed to have been losing his touch until OoE.

That said, if he can actually deliver a game that keeps doing what OoE was doing, which is fixing what was wrong with the formula, im all for it.

[Successor The Cruel]

Well unfortunately for you, Mecury Steam doesn't care if they deliver a Castlevania specifically for you.

Specifically for me and who knows how many other Castlevania fans as we well know. But, that doesn't matter. Of course Mercury Steam doesn't care if they deliver a Castlevania game for Castlevania fans.
That was established long ago by Dave Cox himself : p

[DragonSlayr81]

I wish I could +1 you 666 times.

I could never understand the "my guy is better than your guy" thing either. I guess, my taste has been more middle of the road. It's like at the Avengers board on IMDb. Prior to the release, you had so many Nolan Batman trolls plugging up the board, trollin and flamebaiting, it was crazy. Then, after Avengers, you got Whedon Avenger fans flooding the DKR boards, doing the same thing. I actually CAN sit here and say, I loved Avengers, and I love Nolan's Batman movies. You don't have to choose sides. It's the beauty of "freedom of choice", not to be forced into one side or the other, but be FREE to choose both. And I liked Raimi's Spider-Man movies(well, not so much 3), and I'm actually stoked over Amazing Spider-Man!! People act like it's a sin if you don't rally for one or the other. The purpose of sides is to segregate.

[Chernabogue]

I could never understand the "my guy is better than your guy" thing either. I guess, my taste has been more middle of the road. It's like at the Avengers board on IMDb. Prior to the release, you had so many Nolan Batman trolls plugging up the board, trollin and flamebaiting, it was crazy. Then, after Avengers, you got Whedon Avenger fans flooding the DKR boards, doing the same thing. I actually CAN sit here and say, I loved Avengers, and I love Nolan's Batman movies. You don't have to choose sides. It's the beauty of "freedom of choice", not to be forced into one side or the other, but be FREE to choose both. And I liked Raimi's Spider-Man movies(well, not so much 3), and I'm actually stoked over Amazing Spider-Man!! People act like it's a sin if you don't rally for one or the other. The purpose of sides is to segregate.

I really wish I could +1 you 6.666 times.

[X]

I really wish I could +1 you 6.666 times.

lol, I think you mean this 6,666 and not this 6.666 

[Chernabogue]

lol, I think you mean this 6,666 and not this 6.666 

Ah, maybe in the US, yes. In France, I'd be correct. But thanks for pointing it out!

[Sumac]

That same person also came back a lil bit after the fiasco & made a single bold statement, "TWO 1999 games." as expected everyone went crazy, she disappeared without saying anything else, and that was it. turned out to be bullshit 

Hm, I remember hearing something like that, but I never thought it was coming from someone who already leaked some information. I wonder did Konami seriously considered creation of two 1999 titles? Sounds like a gamble for some reason.

Too low difficulty, no female protagonist, lack of outside the castle areas, combos in the 2D titles, etc. He was CORRECTING things. To drop him at this point is a terrible idea. He was doing us right, and people still shit on him. I don't understand it at all.

As Flame said, it was too late. He shouldn't make those mistakes in the first place to begin with, since SOTN, that they've used as a template, had practically all the same problems that plagued pretty much all next "metroidvanias", but with big amount of sugar coating in form of pretty graphics, music and art.
So, when developer has a flawed template and he persistently continue to make the very same mistakes that he did in original work, it is obvious that people will inevitably question quality of all his next works.
Personally, I believe, that the reason for OOE being different from other "metroidvanias" was that producer of the COTM was participating in creation of the game. If it was only IGA and the same team that did POR, for example...I don't think results would be that pretty.

This occurs despite the same people often praising AoS et al.

I've seen something more interesting: people were hatefully bashing IGA and praised SOTN at the same time. That was hilarious and sad at the same time.

Other than that, I've come to the realization that my favorite game series has majorly crashed and burned.

Specifically for me and who knows how many other Castlevania fans as we well know. But, that doesn't matter. Of course Mercury Steam doesn't care if they deliver a Castlevania game for Castlevania fans.

Sounds like butthurt, that they dare to create game without consideration of your taste. 

[thernz]

The most the CoTM producer did was some level design/background work and the menu design.
A lot of CoTM's team was involved in PoR too.

[Flame]

Sounds like butthurt, that they dare to create game without consideration of your taste. 

thats honestly what the majority of LoS hate is. "it's different from what I have known and come to expect from Castlevania and therefore I hate it."

in varying degrees.

the hate and like of LoS is based solely on one's own personal feelings on Castlevania and what makes a game a castlevania game. There really is no solid argument aside from maybe highly derivative gameplay, that can be made against it as "not being castlevania", because Castlevania is just so many different things to different people.

[A-Yty]

Castlevania is just so many different things to different people.

..which makes the opinion of people who don't like LoS just as valid. Cuz, you know, they are people too.

Not that an opinion necessarily needs an argument, but the reasons LoS isn't well liked (and why some people like it) have been discussed to death. Which makes this quote

There really is no solid argument aside from maybe highly derivative gameplay, that can be made against it as "not being castlevania",

seem like something a bot would write.

Some people - lots of people - don't like LoS. Some even hate it.
Just like some hate Metroidvanias and Classicvanias.

It is their prerogative to have whatever reasons they have for that, no matter how "right" or "wrong" it may seem to you. And logically, it shouldn't matter at all to the people who like LoS. But behold - it seems to be like a swarm of ants crawling inside their bungholes.

[Nagumo]

thats honestly what the majority of LoS hate is. "it's different from what I have known and come to expect from Castlevania and therefore I hate it."

I wish people would stop using that dumb argument. Fans don't like the game not because it's different but because they didn't like the particular direction the game took with the series. How hard is that to understand? It's just a means to conveniently label all people who dislike LoS as narrow minded conversatives which is horribly obnoxious.       

[Neobelmont]

I wish people would stop using that dumb argument. Fans don't like the game not because it's different but because they didn't like the particular direction the game took with the series. How hard is that to understand? It's just a means to conveniently label all people who dislike LoS as narrow minded conversatives which is horribly obnoxious.       

 Nagumo I understand what you mean by how labeling might seem to be obnoxious because of this reason of oh it's different or it's not cv, but some I guess just come off that way. Some do say go back to the metroidvania style/keep the kojima art style ect and such right? I guess the obnoxiousness goes both ways yeah the new direction is not perfect,but at the sametime it is not that bad.

Family Guy - Stewie Doesnt Like Change

I just felt like putting this because reading these comments made me think of this