Topic: Where's Dracula XX ??

[le052383]

Question: Does DXX actually state Maria to be someone other than she is in Rondo in-game? If not, there's no loss of canon.

Yes it does.

[le052383]

In Reply To #59

Sisters do not have to be biological relatives.

[Kensuke]

Okay, but the entire idea of cv is based on the Belmonts struggle against Dracula, not Baldwins or Graves. It's always been like that. That's exactly why it's considered a side story when it involves others (and come on, if there's no Vampire Killer then it's not a true cv game).

Ummm, no. It has not always been like that. Bloodlines is the point where they decided that the Belmonts weren't going to be the ONLY main characters. The Belmonts go off the stage in late 19th century and the Morris family pinch hits for them in 1897 and both world wars. This was a nod to Bram Stoker. This presumably doesn't change until 1999, when Julius comes along to deliver the coup-de-grace on behalf of the Belmont family.

- John

[crisis]

It's already been established that the Morris' are Belmont related & can face Dracula. Where has it been established that the Baldwins and Graves are of Belmont blood?

[Stigma Black]

Guys, let's totally argue trivial points and the most specific meanings of vague one-liners that were most likely mistranslated anyway and would be too infeasible to actually change for the sake of tampering with canon and the series timeline!


That said, considering IGA's at the helm, he could've just rewrote the minor details in Dracula XX. But he didn't. And besides, with the bad rep DXX gets outside of the fandom, it would've gotten more complaints than praise (unlike surefire hits like SotN and RoB). Obviously, he came to the conclusion that there was no point to even considering the idea.

[Steve]

Sisters do not have to be biological relatives.

[Wolfman Jake]

In Reply To #66

No thanks.  I'm just pointing out the logical flaws in the "DXX can't possibly be canon" argument.  Some people seem to have it in for DXX like it insulted their mothers.

Stigma Black has the right idea.  This has gotten way past ridiculous.

[The Last Belmont]

Okay, but the entire idea of cv is based on the Belmonts struggle against Dracula, not Baldwins or Graves. It's always been like that. That's exactly why it's considered a side story when it involves others (and come on, if there's no Vampire Killer then it's not a true cv game).

Hunh? Alucard's not a  belmont and neither are the morris's and their games are true games. COTM has everything that makes castlevania castlevania besides having a belmont as the main hero which has been done before but argueing it's not a true castlevania game because a graves beats drac and accepting a game like SOTN is hippocritical. It was a premature ressurrection and drac can be beat by other people especially when he's weakened and it's not a natural 100 year ressurrection.

Ummm, no. It has not always been like that. Bloodlines is the point where they decided that the Belmonts weren't going to be the ONLY main characters. The Belmonts go off the stage in late 19th century and the Morris family pinch hits for them in 1897 and both world wars. This was a nod to Bram Stoker. This presumably doesn't change until 1999, when Julius comes along to deliver the coup-de-grace on behalf of the Belmont family.

- John

Yup eric states this in POR and I'm hoping it'll be expanded upon in future games.

Necromancer (CotM):

(resembles Shaft's Ghost)

Necromancer (DXX):


Shaft's Ghost (Rondo):


Necromancers usually have things rotating around them, like Tombstones (DXX), or energy rings (CotM).

Shaft was not present in DXX.  In this alternate story, Dracula himself kidnaps the two girls closest to Richter and decimates the entire village.

Yeah it's like they took shaft's sprite from rondo and altered it to make it the Necromancer boss in XX.

[crisis]

Hunh? Alucard's not a

[The Last Belmont]

*sigh* you're missing my point.

SotN still involved a Belmont despite the main character being Alucard.

no you said it was the belmonts struggle against dracula that made a true cv game, Richter does next to nothing except fight you one time in SOTN, Alucard does all the work and the game's about his struggle against dracula not Richter's.

CotM doesn't even mention the Belmonts, meanwhile introducing a whole new family we never heard of that has absolutely no relation to anything else, which is why it'll always be considered a SIDE STORY.

Which is all fine and good, but I inferred from the way you  stated your opinion that you were saying it is inferior to the other games.

I'm not saying CotM isn't a cv game; i'm saying it's a gaiden to the main story arch. The creators obviously didn't care to mention the Belmonts, so why should IGA care to try & include it?

I agree and I also think Iga doesn't include it because it wouldn't mesh with everything else, I wish the game didn't give a set date though so if he wanted to he could place it in the timeline somewhere.

[Wolfman Jake]

Just so it's clear, sidestory or "gaiden" does not imply "non-canon."

[crisis]

In Reply To #71
In this case, yes it does.

[Kensuke]

It's already been established that the Morris' are Belmont related & can face Dracula. Where has it been established that the Baldwins and Graves are of Belmont blood?

Nowhere. But neither is Eric or Alucard, or probably some other people I'm forgetting offhand. Plus isn't the Morris relation kinda weak at best?

Bottom line being that, no, Belmonts are not the only ones that can take on Drac and win. They just happen to be the best, most experienced, and arguably the ones Drac is most afraid and bitter about.

CotM and the N64 games were thrown out because it was designed to be gaiden from the beginning, and IGA didn't want the work of trying to integrate it.

It's the same falacy about how Drac can only rise 100 years. IGA's even given up on that one.

- John

[Wolfman Jake]

That's NOT what the words "sidestory" or "gaiden" mean, though.  If you want to call a game "non-canon," then call it non-canon.

[Kensuke]

Just so it's clear, sidestory or "gaiden" does not imply "non-canon."

It doesn't imply either. You can have canon gaiden and non-canon gaiden. The term simply denotes a story that is incidental to the main story arc.

The term Gaiden is commonly used in popular Japanese fiction to refer to a spinoff (canonical or otherwise) of a previously published work that is not officially considered a sequel nor a prequel. - Wikipedia

However, it's generally agreed that gaiden can't conflict, otherwise it gets tossed. Strictly speaking, CotM doesn't really confict. The N64 games sorta do. Legends was never gaiden either, but it conflicts in a massive way. DXX was never gaiden, but it conflicts too.

- John