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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: erimocard on July 04, 2008, 10:39:38 AM
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I think Olrox is a really stylish character/boss. He's spectacular and costly made. He somehow seems like a really important character, but there is not a single line dialogue with him, nor are there any specific infos ather that that he's a magic-using vampire who is the ruler of the upper castle.
Is there anything more about him somewhere? Perhaps any japanese manual-stuff or something? I'm so curious about him.
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Probably deprived from orlocks or something. It might actually be Orlocks but with a translation screw up.
go google him.
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this calls for some blue oyster cult:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc-0HlQRZW8
^that even links to the whole movie, though they use bram stoker's names(dracula instead of orlock):
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In Reply To #1
Drac says this about him
"He's just a mooch, a big stupid Mooch"
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In Reply To #4
Where? O_o
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In Reply To #5
Watch this
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/258184
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That thing is made of awesome. :o
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That was the dumbest thing Ive ever fuckin bore witness to in my entire life.
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That was the dumbest thing Ive ever fuckin bore witness to in my entire life.
It's posters like this that make the Castlevania fandom, particularly those that tend to fester on this board, so hellishly obnoxious.
Anyways, I saw that video a few years ago, and really got a kick out of it. As for the issue of Olrox himself in SotN, the game does not really make him out to be much more than a standard boss. He doesn't seem to have any relevance to the story, or in how it's presented.
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I think tha Orlox (like the most interesting Iga's characters) is really missed, Orlox is supposed to be Dracula's Friend, he have is own zone at Symphony of the Night, but when you reach it you just fight him and nothing more happens.
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Also you can have his suit in DoS.
I bet, he normally is friedly towards Alucard. He only tried to kill him, because he destroyed his table in the strategy-video.
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I don't think Drac has anything like a friend or something. Maybe even Death only makes use of him to harvest the souls of the countless men who die by his hands. I always thought that Death is something like a slave to the gods who has to harvest souls as a punishment or something. Maybe once he has harvested enough, he can get free and become the new dark lord or something.
...nah, sounds like crap.
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some people claim death is a slave/servant to the one who owns the crimson stone.
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some people claim death is a slave/servant to the one who owns the crimson stone.
I thought Itagaki claimed that in LoI >.>
Its been a while, but I could've sworn that Death says, I serve the master of the Crimson stone. Of course that canbe taken in many different ways... but that's what I thought when I heard it.
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In Reply To #13
that's why i said some people. i wasn't sure who. :o
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In regards to Death, according to the monster encyclopedia in LoI, he is a soul-hunting being who is loyal to the owner of the crimson stone. However, it isn't explained why this is the case. This relationship between Drac and Death would explain how Drac becomes the "lord of all vampires." All he has to do is have Death collect the souls of defeated vampires, thus increasing his power is tremendously increased.
As for Olrox, I have no idea in regards to him. To me, he just seems to be another boss without any important part.
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Am I the only one who thinks Brauner is a reference to Count Olrox?
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I think someone may have suggested somewhere that Olrox could be the main antagonist in a game set between LoI and CV3. That would certainly be interesting.
Another suggestion, possibly by the same person, was that you would play as Mathias in this game. I would imagine the gameplay mechanics would probably turn out like AoS and DoS, with Mathias absorbing the souls of his enemies, but this time he is on a quest to become Lord of the Vampires.
That would certainly be interesting.
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Who is Count Olrox? If you refer to Nosferatu; the vampire in Nosferatu is called "Count Dracula", since it is based on Bram Stoker's novel. It just has some story-changes and he looks a little different.
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In Reply To #18
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Orlok
Orlok is the main model for a style of fictional vampire that is often nicknamed nosferatu after the movie. Although based upon Count Dracula, Orlok possesses none of his predecessor's aristocratic charm or seductiveness. He resembles something between a rat and a spider and is much more analogous to historical accounts of vampires.
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In Reply To #18
seriously, pick up, or rent the dvd, the name will be orlock, reinfeld will be hutter, etc. if you saw the movie through youtube, somehow they put up an early release version where they used bram stokers names.
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In Reply To #18
Didn't you say this was your fav. vampire movie? And you don't even know the name of the primary character?
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I think someone may have suggested somewhere that Olrox could be the main antagonist in a game set between LoI and CV3. That would certainly be interesting.
Another suggestion, possibly by the same person, was that you would play as Mathias in this game. I would imagine the gameplay mechanics would probably turn out like AoS and DoS, with Mathias absorbing the souls of his enemies, but this time he is on a quest to become Lord of the Vampires.
That would certainly be interesting
It wouldn't just be interesting, it would be awesome. Or at least it has that potential, assuming that Iga doesn't screw it up.
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Olrox doesn't seem to be any kind of main villian, but he seems to be quite a fan favorite. He's certainly one of the most memorable boss battles in Symphony of the Night, in my opinion.
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Yeah, and he is called "Count Dracula" in the movie. I mean the one where he is played by Max Schreck. "Eine Symphonie des Grauens" I havent seen the newer film.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MEOsb6CRvNU
Watch and then again tell me he is not Dracula. O_o If that basic model of Vampire is called "Count Orlok", it doesn't mean, he's called so in the movie.
Anyone asked about Brauner. Yeah, he definitely resembles Orlok as well.
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Some versions of the film use the original names, however these were all put in much later than the films initial release. So while the character may have had his name changed back to Dracula in some editions, it was Orlok in the earliest incarnation, thus it is Orlok that 99.99999% of the people who see it refer to him as. Mark Ellis wrote a graphic novel called Nosferatu: Plague of Terror that expanded on Orlok's story, making him a seperate, and perhaps more powerful entity than Dracula.
As for Olrox, I think he was some kind of failsafe. If Dracula was running low on energy, he could kill Olrox and steal his power. It's probably the same reason Walter kept Joachim. Of course because both of them were killed prior to the final battle, their purpose could not be utilized.
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In Reply To #25
Thank you very much.
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In Reply To #26
My point is, he really should be known as Orlok, as he works better as a seperate entity, for there is more mystery surrounding him that way. We all know Dracula backwards and forwards, but Orlok is still an enigma.
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In Reply To #27
I do get your point and I'm with you. I simply didn't know that there are different editions. As a separate character he works way better, because he is very different from Drac. Not only his appearance, but the fact that he has rats following him everywhere, as well as that he is spreading plague make him unique. He refers to ancient beliefs of vampires (or wrakalakolas, lamia and all the different vampire-like mythical creatures from around the world) who were said to be the cause for crop failures, the black death and so on.
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Olrox and Brauner? It woulda been an interesting plot twist, but due to the silly nature that was PoR, it wouldn't have worked out well.
I hope Olrox makes another appearance in a future title, though. His quarters in SotN was cool and unique.
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In Reply To #28
He was only referred to as Orlok when the film was released. And I don't think there is anywhere else besides youtube where he is called Dracula. Calling him Dracula online or even in some tapes does not change the fact that it is orlok, he was written as such. And that vampire's name is Orlok, he's from germany for crying out loud. He is not Dracula.
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In Reply To #30
He is from Transylvania. He comes to Europe with the Demeter just like Drac. The story is almost the same, only he comes to Germany (Bremen) instead of England.
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what about Galamoth?HE is the one that should have been in the story...After all i think he could defeat Drac easily.
edit: in case you guys forgot him and i'm reviving this thread here's the guy:
(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fshrines.rpgclassics.com%2Fpsx%2Fcastlevsn%2Fmonsters%2Fgalamoth.gif&hash=77e636168811cd2dce2fbf2fbf05b4923595e872)
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Holy Thread Necromancy, Raphael!
Are you going back to old threads or something, geez.
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In Reply To #30
He is from Transylvania. He comes to Europe with the Demeter just like Drac. The story is almost the same, only he comes to Germany (Bremen) instead of England.
Actually, which probably has already been stated, Orlox is count dracula and was suppose to be Dracula. The stoker family just got pissed and sued and won so they had to change the names of the characters...
Course I am not a fan of the stoker family since the release or "Dracula The Un-Dead". That had to be one of the worst books i have read and it was a slap to the face of bram.
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Aw, and here I thought this was a recent debate. :(
Anyway (if anyone still cares about all this)... Nosferatu, a Symphony of Horror is indeed an adaptation of Dracula. However, it wasn't that the Stoker family got pissed and so the filmmakers had to change the names of the characters; it was an unlicensed adaptation (they hadn't gotten the rights), so they simply changed some of the names and story pieces to try and get around copyright protection. Count Orlok is indeed supposed to be Dracula.
After the film was released, it was then that Stoker's widowed wife threw a fit and had all prints of the film burned. Thankfully, some survived and we're able to view the film today. There was a pretty big restoration handled by Kino International a few years back that restored more of the film, and is to my knowledge the longest version of the film currently available.
There is a 1979 remake by Werner Herzog titled Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht (a.k.a. Nosferatu the Vampyre) which uses the names from Dracula instead of the ones in the original Nosferatu, but is again essentially a remake of that film and not a more proper adaptation of the novel.
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Yeah I read about that too. But now that a lot more time has gone by, count Orlock has evolved into his own personna. Besides, that dude is just plain creepy-looking. He is perhaps the spookiest-looking vampire you'll ever come across and with fangs THAT long and fingernails THAT long you don't ever want to!! Unless you have the Vampirekiller to give you optimal range to smite the freaky dude. :o
Fortunetly he doesn't appear to move very fast so you could probably outrun him if given the window of opertunity. ;)
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Funny to read something about Orlox now.
Just recently, I read some Fan Speculation about him on a Fan Site:
http://sympathetic-magick.net/joachim/olrox.htm
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I just saw the original movie. Not a bad piece of work. Even though it's a bit dated and somewhat cartoony at points, it's still haunting. Actually, the appearance of Olrox is much more in tune with the original appearance of Dracula, not the pretty boy look that we get from Castlevania and Bela Lugosi.
As for SotN's Olrox, well the vampire certainly has Dracula's respect as Dracula gave him an entire section of his castle to control, other bosses in the game were simply slaves or prisoners. Orlox on the other hand was a full free vampire. It would be nice to see a castlevania game with a bit of backstory to him. Also it's good to note that Portrait of Ruins first antagonist is modeled after Nosferatu loosely, just like Orlox was.
Also, check out some fanart for Castlevania done in Nosferatu style on deviant. You can see another close resemblance there.
http://genzoman.deviantart.com/art/Nosferatu-Count-Orlok-150503728
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Yeah I read about that too. But now that a lot more time has gone by, count Orlock has evolved into his own personna. Besides, that dude is just plain creepy-looking. He is perhaps the spookiest-looking vampire you'll ever come across and with fangs THAT long and fingernails THAT long you don't ever want to!! Unless you have the Vampirekiller to give you optimal range to smite the freaky dude. :o
Fortunetly he doesn't appear to move very fast so you could probably outrun him if given the window of opertunity. ;)
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Yeah i have to agree with your on that X Orlock has become is own personna and he is deffinately the spookiest vampire, the guy is just plain creepy, he really didn't even that much make up.
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That's a good pic of count Orlock but there's only one inconsistancy with him. His fangs. On all vampires we see their fangs where the human's canines are located. But only on Count Orlock do we see that his fangs are situated where the human's to upper, frontle Incisors are placed. It makes me wonder if Orlock is some kind of bastard falf vampire/demon creature.
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if you look closely, you see that is is the canines teeth, they are slightly longer then his front teeth. However, all his teeth are fanged, but the canines are still predominate.
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Actually what I was referring to was that the pic does not show his fangs in their proper place. The picture shows him with his fangs in the regular location as with all other vampires when they should be where his frontal incisors are. I guess i forgot to make it clear in my last post...sorry.
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Actually what I was referring to was that the pic does not show his fangs in their proper place. The picture shows him with his fangs in the regular location as with all other vampires when they should be where his frontal incisors are. I guess i forgot to make it clear in my last post...sorry.
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There is no proper place for vampire fangs, considering that in the old myths, vampires didn't have them to begin with. It wasn't until "Varney the Vampire", a penny-dreadful novel written 50 years before Dracula, that the idea came about, and even then, most literary sources don't mention the placement of the fangs, but merely that they're there. The discrepancy only comes about through the vampire's depiction on film, when makeup effects people had to actually give their actors fangs, and it all came down to artistic interpretation.
As for Orlock himself, his fangs are the way they are mainly because he has a strong kinship to rats, and such fangs were given to him so that he would appear more rat-like.
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As for Orlock himself, his fangs are the way they are mainly because he has a strong kinship to rats, and such fangs were given to him so that he would appear more rat-like.
This is true. It also draws his connection to the plague(rats being a main transport of the plague).
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When you put it that way it seems like Orlock is a demon rat/vampire creature. he does look kinda like a rat, doesn't he.
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yes, though in SotN they moved him away from that to form a all new vampire with only some of his features. Instead they gave him reptilian features. Actually, this is kinda cool because that means he's probably got reptilian eyes instead of just the typical vampire eyes. Who knows, his skin may even have scales. This is making me want to draw him.
Hmm, just remembered that there was a novel featuring the character and it was IGA actually supervised it. It was called Akumajo Dracula: Kabuchi no Tsuisoukyoku. It seems Olrox had been resurrected and the surviving followers of Graham followers serve him. The fact he was resurrected means he had either his own followers or a similar ability to Dracula's self resurrection. I suspect he was revived to fill the void of evil left in the world without Dracula.
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i always thought that Olrox deserved to be in more games since he did have his own quarters "Olrox Quaters" in Dracula's Castle with means he must have been a very powerfull and important vampire.
not to mention you could find his armor or suit in CVDOS.
and didn't his description in Symphony read something like a "VERY powerfull Vampire?"
correct me if im wrong ;D
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Have you ever heard of "Chorus of Mysteries"? It's a completely overhalled cv1 hack that features Count Olrox as the main villain. You can download it here (http://"http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp/cv1/homebrews.htm"). You can also order a fully-functional reproduction cart of it here (http://"http://www.gamereproductions.com/products/Castlevania%3A--Chorus-of-Mysteries.html").
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I played that hack quite a while ago. Graphicly it's really good. my only complaint is the difficulty. It's the $&!#$! I had to use a combonation of gamegenie and savestates just to beat it. Playing the original castlevania is a lot easier.
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Hmm, just remembered that there was a novel featuring the character and it was IGA actually supervised it. It was called Akumajo Dracula: Kabuchi no Tsuisoukyoku. It seems Olrox had been resurrected and the surviving followers of Graham followers serve him. The fact he was resurrected means he had either his own followers or a similar ability to Dracula's self resurrection. I suspect he was revived to fill the void of evil left in the world without Dracula.
Out of all the side stories supervised by IGA, this one actually had gotten my interest the most. Shame we'll never know what happens in the story.
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i think the fact that Richter was the lord of Dracula's Castle and yet there was a vampire taking up domain in a sizable area has an interesting story to tell, shame we don't know what it is (unless maybe its talked about in the novel). would Richter, even in his twisted evil state, allow a vampire to live in "his" castle? did Richter know about Olrox? what did Olrox think of a vampire hunter taking over. was he aware of Shafts involvement? was he in league with him? was he trying to subvert him? i can only wonder what it was that he and Alucard were discussing over the dinner table. i'm imagining it's one of those "join me" speeches, he might have had reason to believe Alucard would help him accomplish whatever it was that he was trying to accomplish. they could have had mutual enemies in both Richter and Dracula.
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Alls I know is, despite appearing reptilian, I like how much Olrox/Orlox resembles Count Orlok. It's a neat homage and a strange twist on the character, making him so huge and all when his man-like form is broken. It's a shame Castlevania games don't feature more "lesser" vampires (although Orlok would be a serious contender to Dracula, I'd imagine). That's one thing I really like about the N64 games: vampires everywhere! Apparently Vampire Killer MSX has vampires, too.
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Vampire Killer has vampires? I don't think so. Castlevania Chronicles stage 8 has ninja vampire maids (i think they're vampires, but i might have just read that on a web site), that i think evolved into the N64 vampire maids, but then turned into the vacuum cleaning ninja demon maid Persephone.
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Huh. I thought I'd heard a long time ago that Vampire Killer had vampires. Or maybe it was some computer port of the first game.
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i think the fact that Richter was the lord of Dracula's Castle and yet there was a vampire taking up domain in a sizable area has an interesting story to tell, shame we don't know what it is (unless maybe its talked about in the novel). would Richter, even in his twisted evil state, allow a vampire to live in "his" castle? did Richter know about Olrox? what did Olrox think of a vampire hunter taking over. was he aware of Shafts involvement? was he in league with him? was he trying to subvert him? i can only wonder what it was that he and Alucard were discussing over the dinner table. i'm imagining it's one of those "join me" speeches, he might have had reason to believe Alucard would help him accomplish whatever it was that he was trying to accomplish. they could have had mutual enemies in both Richter and Dracula.
I think Richter knew about Olrox inhibiting the castle but did nothing about it because there was no need. Richter was made the lord of castlevania until Dracula's ressurection was finalized. In tearms of what Olrox thought about this I can only think of two things.
1: Richter was made the lord of castlevania by Shaft and being under control, posed no immediate threat.
2: If Olrox wanted to off Richter he wouldn't stand a chance. Richter is the most powerful vampire hunter ever to walk the earth and he was able to bring down Dracula. Olrox is no-where near as powerful as Dracula let alone Alucard and with this knowledge in mind he would not push his luck. And since Richter was made lord of castlevania Olrox would be expected to obey him to some extent. That my analogy of the situation.
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Alls I know is, despite appearing reptilian, I like how much Olrox/Orlox resembles Count Orlok. It's a neat homage and a strange twist on the character, making him so huge and all when his man-like form is broken. It's a shame Castlevania games don't feature more "lesser" vampires (although Orlok would be a serious contender to Dracula, I'd imagine). That's one thing I really like about the N64 games: vampires everywhere! Apparently Vampire Killer MSX has vampires, too.
It's one of the greater things about IGA's reign, he gave us a lot of vampire characters other than Dracula.
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Well it could be that Olrox was working with Shaft to manipulate Trevor and ressurect the castle. Who knows what his background could be. Hmm, I wonder how old he is, and why he has the reptilian features, there has to be an intresting story behind that.
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some has theorized that Olrox is actually Joachim (maybe cause they both like purple?) well, it would be interesting if he was, it'd be kind of fun to have a recurring rogue vampire.
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In Symphony of the Night Olrox appears as a boss in Aria of Sorrow can pick up their clothes and in Chronicles it appears frozen at the bottom of the third stage! Brauner Besides being a lot like him! These vested are Castlevanias I've seen some thing about Olrox!
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cool, i hadn't considered the possibility that the b-movie vampire frozen in Chronicles was actually Orlox. punished by Dracula, no doubt.
he may have gotten Orlox's suit, but Soma never did get his soul, ha!
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I think Richter knew about Olrox inhibiting the castle but did nothing about it because there was no need. Richter was made the lord of castlevania until Dracula's ressurection was finalized. In tearms of what Olrox thought about this I can only think of two things.
1: Richter was made the lord of castlevania by Shaft and being under control, posed no immediate threat.
2: If Olrox wanted to off Richter he wouldn't stand a chance. Richter is the most powerful vampire hunter ever to walk the earth and he was able to bring down Dracula. Olrox is no-where near as powerful as Dracula let alone Alucard and with this knowledge in mind he would not push his luck. And since Richter was made lord of castlevania Olrox would be expected to obey him to some extent. That my analogy of the situation.
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i totally agree here...and in LoI Dracula "needed" the soul of a powerfull vampire...maybe Olrox was a "replacement" if it was needed. or just to make the castle's defense stronger...like giving part of it to him and some to Galamoth...although i guess both of them had in mind to one day defeat Drac and conquer the crinsom stone, or the castle itself...
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I think Olrox had good control of the castle by Richter just be being manipulated! He was not there voluntarily and some creatures could not follow it! Olrox So was there to strengthen the castle, and if you somehow Richter would leave the curse had someone with enough force to face it! But Olrox was defeated by Alucard! :)
(Or will not) 8)