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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Saner on August 18, 2008, 09:02:35 PM
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http://www.gamestooge.com/2008/08/16/1up-order-of-ecclesia-is-best-castlevania-ever/
says this person who's already completed the game at least once. It's very interesting. Because before this, the
previous best Castlevania game was PoR. and before that,
SOTN. and before that, CVIII, and before that, Rondo of
Blood, and before that, CV2.
so this is extremely exciting news! Makes ya want to
pre-order already. This is gonna be the ultimate
Castlevania game to date!
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In Reply To #1
Opinions.. opinions... I believe it when I see it.
I'm finding it hard to believe this is the best CV ever, it doesn't look original enough.
And if you sincerely think that PoR is that great, you must have very low standards, no offense...
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previous best Castlevania game was PoR
ahahaha. dude, you're killing me. :P
:o
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Hmm...
Well now we know how the stylus will be used, doesn't sound too corny. On the flip side it also seems that there will be a lot of "fetch quests", but hopefully they won't be too bad.
I wonder if the difficulty is as cracked up as he says; maybe he just sucks at platforming and monster slaying. He also seems to hint that the various accessories that Alucard could wear will be brought back (shields, cloaks, etc.) That would be a huge plus :)
There'll probably be more than 2 hidden characters to play as, and I hope the 2 endings (so far) will be interesting.
I have a feeling that while OoE won't be the best Castlevania ever, it'll most likely be the best out of the DS games.
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Because before this, the
previous best Castlevania game was PoR.
:o
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In Reply To #1
Opinions.. opinions... I believe it when I see it.
I'm finding it hard to believe this is the best CV ever, it doesn't look original enough.
"doesn't look original enough"!?!?!?!?
so you expected a gothic waitress wielding a rabbit-flail while on magical hover bat rollerskates, in their quest of hunting down Dracula's evil and powerful pet Pig familiar, located somewhere within deep ruins underneath their town tavern's basement?
how's that for originality? but originality wouldn't necessarily mean it would really sell, would it? =P
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In Reply To #6
It probably doesn't look original because it looks just like all the other metroidvanias so far.
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In Reply To #6
Have you played SotN? CotM? HoD? AoS? DoS? PoR?
Cause if you had, you'd clearly see how unoriginal this game is, and you can't beat SotN with a clone. Well, you can make a better game, but it's still a clone and as such it won't have the same impact as the original. That doesn't mean OoE is gonna suck, and like someone already said; It may very well be the best DS game yet. But the best ever? The level design in the Monastery is already looking rather dull, but I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt until I've tried it for myself.
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It wont be hard to make this the best DS Castlevania game ever xP I mean in my opinion their previous two DS games weren't really that good. DoS can be fun to play if you're bored, but otherwise I think it sucks. It's such a shame they made it a sequel to AoS, because AoS was so perfect in every way.
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dunno if it's so info free. i mean,
Dracula does not appear as a villian, much less the arch-villian.
what
iga, what have you done? :o
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well for the most part I usually agree with 1up.com and EGM's reviews, further more, I usually tend to agree with Shane Bettenhausen, and while it is just his opinion, I feel a bit more confidant in that it will be a good game, even if it isn't the greatest
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In Reply To #12
Yeah well, I just think that videogame journalists have a tendency to be kinda..uhm.. corrupt. Especially when they're praising a game that so many other magazines around the world haven't even played yet, and won't until 1-2 weeks before the official release. Makes me wonder why some reviewers get the games MONTHS before others. They must be very good friends with Konami. I'm not saying anything more. >:(
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DoS was proclaimed the best Castlevania and then PoR was. So... yeah. Let's not trust the press.
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Wait...... wait...... what? CVIII? but before that Rondo of Blood? I thought Rondo came after. Sides..... no body ever beat Trevor. NOBODY! Of course there are still people who like Simon better, but Simon came first. So for them, Trevor never made it to first, so it doesn't matter.
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Do you people seriously believe this game is going to absolutely suck?? Because thats whats most of you sound like you're thinking
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Yeah, it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy some people have.
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You people are so quick to judge.
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In Reply To #6
Have you played SotN? CotM? HoD? AoS? DoS? PoR?
Cause if you had, you'd clearly see how unoriginal this game is, and you can't beat SotN with a clone.
SF2 Championship Edition was a clone of World Warrior, but
it sure as hell was better than World Warrior.
and the formula works! what would you expect? going back to linear stage-based CV gameplay? or something ridiculous like a first person shooter Castlevania?
there's a point where a series shouldn't cross the line
in how it's gameplay/progression is designed.
Like look at how horrible Fighting Force 2 is compared
to Fighting Force. it's practically changes too much.
another fine example is Super Metroid compared to Metroid Prime. I don't know about you, but the first person view M games weren't nearly as cool as the 2-D ones. but this isn't simple 2-D vs. 3-D subjects. just examples of changing the way a game works is too risky.
SOTN surpassed the past games because those light RPG elements didn't turn it into Dragon Quest. it was just enough to keep things platforming and give it more exploration and growth.
beyond that basic formula, CV doesn't need to evolve out of the SOTN/Metroid elements, although I wouldn't mind a Castlevania MMORPG or sandbox CV world.
it's people like you that end up ruining series, like
look at Castlevania Judgment. there is no way in hell that
this series should have gone in that direction.
next there might be a Castlevania Party game and then
you'll be eating your words about originality, preferring the series stay with the SOTN approach.
and besides SOTN has already been surpassed by games like
PoR, in many ways.
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In Reply To #19
OK, I'll try to respond to some of that.
First of all, I'm not gonna buy the same game over and over and over, which is why I grew tired of all those Street Fighter 2 re-releases really quickly, just like I've grown tired of the Castleroid formula. So yeah, Turbo was technically a better game than World Warrior, but for every new edition that was released, the game lost some of it's appeal.
Also, going back to the linear CV formula is an EXCELLENT idea! That would be fantastic.
And puuh-leaase! Do you honestly think "people like me" have anything to do with ruining/saving this series? Don't you think IGA has a mind of his own and that he's capable of making his own decisions? Castlevania Judgment is an experiment and I can't believe people are taking it so damn seriously. It's not like it will even have a sequel (unless it sells really well which I doubt). Having said that, I would be very surprised if the entire series is "going in that direction", like you claim it is.
And your last comment about PoR is just plain old trolling. No one likes PoR that much. It's not humanly possible.
And once again, I'm not saying OoE will suck. I'm just trying to discuss things. Konami can make castleroids 'til the end of time for all I care, but they need to reinvent themselves with every game so the experience is new each and every time. OoE may or may not be that game. The Monastery level is all I've seen so far, and it looks like a PoR reject. Sorry, but it does. Hopefully, it won't feel like that when I play the game.
And I still don't trust video game reviewers.
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In Reply To #19
Champion Edition was another remake.
The formula works because newer fans have an orgasm over it. Also, going back to the old style would be awesome.
The series is crossing the line by having too many Metroidvanias/Castleroids.
Changing the style worked fine with SotN.
SotN surpassed the games because it was easier, had more freedom, and it was different.
How is it certain fans that ruin the series? That makes no sense. If anything, its all the fans that spawned Judgment due to the need for whip controls with the wii. The series isn't even going in that direction. Its a spin off.
You're exaggerating and using an excuse that people have been constantly using to get out of that argument, and again, the series isn't going in that certain direction.
Um...what?! How was SotN surpassed by PoR? Thats just crazy!
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and besides SOTN has already been surpassed by games like
PoR, in many ways.
XD
no, really, stop, the laughter is killing me.
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In Reply To #20
"And your last comment about PoR is just plain old trolling. No one likes PoR that much. It's not humanly possible."
actually, yes, it is humanly possible.
I Think PoR is one of the greatest games ever made, if not THE greatest.
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In Reply To #20
I actually like PoR. Pretty much. And it definitely is superior to SotN in SOME POINTS. I hate it when you guys claim your opinions for the omnipotent opinions that automatically apply to everyone.
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XD
no, really, stop, the laughter is killing me.
Good. Do the world a favor and die.
Besides, plenty of people liked PoR despite the aesthetic hiccups it had. If you hate it, that's great and all, but don't act like your opinion should apply to everyone else.
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Really it's a shame that so many people here who claim to be such die hard fans of the series seem to do so much more bitching than praising and almost refuse to give the game a chance based on art style alone. I know most of us hate the anime, myself included, but that doesn't change the fact that DoS and PoR were fun as hell.
I understand the point of this message board is discussion of the series, and I understand that there is always going to be debate due to certain peoples opinions, but come on! Half the people here refuse to acknowledge even the slightest good of the games they so passionately hate! And again, they call them selves die hard fans??
Also, it's these same people who refuse to point out the flaws in game that started the series turn, Symphony of the Night. While it is highly regarded as the greatest game in the series, and in my top three as well, it did have it's flaws. The lack of uncreativity in the upside down castle alone, is enough to shadow what some people claim is uncreative in some of the newer games, such as the second portrait set in PoR.
Oh, and by the way, Serio, the one who hates PoR so much, why did you used to have an icon of Stella for so long? The most annoying character in that entire game? Where is she on your list of nooses?
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Good. Do the world a favor and die.
You want him to die because of that? How is that doing the world a favor? You took that too seriously.
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I almost agree with him...
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I remain skeptical about OoE's glyphs. Why throw away all the melee weapons that gave such variety to SOTN/AoS/DoS/PoR and replace it with a system of dumbass symbols which all have limited use? I still believe having melee weapons in Ecclesia drain MP is a concept of fake difficulty. Eventually the game will come down to a system of projectile whoring, because since weapons/subweapons/magic are all combined under one system the subweapons/magic glyphs will likely be preferred over the melee weapon glyphs. I don't feel like looking at my MP gauge every 2 seconds just to make sure I can attack. Everything else with the game looks good, but I think the glyph system will be far more limited than games in the past.
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In Reply To #29
Theres not really any more that could have been done with normal weapons. The glyph system is new and fresh. Hopefully it will be better than what we've had before.
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When I read the first post, I knew I couldn't take this thread seriously.
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Although it's a new take on weapons, it's really just an excuse to introduce fake difficulty to the system.
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You want him to die because of that? How is that doing the world a favor? You took that too seriously.
It's not like I want him to die or anything, but he doesn't have to act so condescending to people that praise PoR.
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I don't like PoR that much either but good lord, the game wasn't that bad. (Honestly, once I skipped the conversations, I was pretty much good to go. ;D )
As far as this game goes, I actually don't doubt that it will be the better of the DS titles. Now best CV game? No: that (ONLY IMHO) is reserved for CV3. :P
Dracula does not appear as a villian, much less the arch-villian.
Wait...what? I could have sworn he was suppose to be the only returning character. What the heck was the point of him even having a VA in the trailer, more so what he says at the end of it. (You know, as if you I dunno: are about to fight him?) That interest (but baffles) me.
Shane also praises the game
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I didn't dislike PoR because of the art style. I don't care about such things, I was just appalled how boring and generic the levels were. But if you really thought PoR felt like a new and fresh entry in the series, good for you! I know I didn't.
And for the record, I actually liked DoS. But the formula was already beginning to feel stale. And PoR was merely a poor (or should I say PooR?) reproduction with worse level design and terrible fetch quests. Apart from that, it's a decent platformer but a below average Castlevania game. In my humble opinion.
In the end, it hasn't much to do with the actual quality of the games, but I can only buy the same game so many times, regardless of how great it once was.
I shall continue to bitch about these things, cause they matter to me. And all I initially wanted to say was that I don't believe OoE will turn out to be the BEST CASTLEVANIA EVAH. Which is what this topic is all about.
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i am a noob who thinks he's all high and mighty
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aw, stop saying that :( :( :(
::)
all i said was that the claims as if that game was "the best ever" and "surpassing sotn" was some of them most fanboyish and stupid things i read here in a while, and they said it as if it was the absolute truth.
and then someone totally unrelated to it, you, butted in for no reason just to sound cool.
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powerful pet Pig familiar,
That would be sweet.
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In Reply To #37
I want a glyph where you can summon Desmond. And three Desmonds when maxed. Because he is the only one that has NO cameo so far. And because it would be so DARN funny.
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I'm an arrogant prick that thinks he's important. I also have mental disorders that make me think my opinions are the most important.
At least you can admit it to yourself. Acceptance is the first step to recovery.
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it's not just my opinion. the majority of the active users on this forum considers portrait to be a mediocre game, and nothing special. definitely not the best cv game, since even dos outdoes it.
also, at least i'm not some random noob who thinks he can just barge into a forum and act all high and mighty as if he owned the place 10 minutes after his arrival. especially when he wasn't even a part of the conversation, and joined it only to start a flamewar, without having anything to contribute to the thread. ;)
speaks a lot about the quality of your posts. ::)
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Ok, that thing there, with the quoting but changing it so that it's self-attacking...
Don't do it, guys.
Talking to both the n00bs and the 0lbies.
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it's not just my opinion. the majority of the active users on this forum considers portrait to be a mediocre game, and nothing special. definitely not the best cv game, since even dos outdoes it.
also, at least i'm not some random noob who thinks he can just barge into a forum and act all high and mighty as if he owned the place 10 minutes after his arrival. especially when he wasn't even a part of the conversation, and joined it only to start a flamewar, without having anything to contribute to the thread. ;)
speaks a lot about the quality of your posts. ::)
You like to call me n00b because I haven't been around long. Do you feel special because you have more posts than me? Good for you. I hope that helps you compensate for something else you lack. ;)
This is a message board; expect people to comment on whatever gets posted. If you need to have a private conversation, use PM or something.
Besides, you still haven't given a good explanation as to why you feel obligated to chastise people who like PoR, and I don't really expect one. Thanks for the fun banter and I hope you get over it some day.
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In Reply To #42
Yeah, people tend to be a bit more opinionated about the things they like/dislike, here.
Take it with a grain of salt. There's no need to get worked up about it, and certainly no need to insert your own attacks back. That will not help.
If you run into a problem, please PM the moderation.
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Dude PoR sucked
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In Reply To #44
Good job on proving a point.
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You like to call me n00b because I haven't been around long. Do you feel special because you have more posts than me? Good for you.
no, not posts. i've been here for few years. you weren't. hence, you're new. so noob.
does it really bother you so much that someone calls you new? ::)
Besides, you still haven't given a good explanation as to why you feel obligated to chastise people who like PoR, and I don't really expect one. Thanks for the fun banter and I hope you get over it some day.
i don't chastise people who like it. i only comment on replies of those who try to make others think it's the best thing since sliced bread. it isn't. it's a mediocre dos clone (it was made from dos's engine, evidence being that there are dos's resource files inside the game rom. i even found some soma sprites).
as for why, because i don't want new people to the series to believe that was the best the series could offer. if they would think so, it'd discourage some of them from trying other titles, thinking "it only gets worse from now on", which is incorrect because there are many cv titles better than pork.
as for why is it just mediocre, there are many reasons.
-very poor level design, nonsencial layout, floating platforms, room reuse, awful color palette, repetitiveness, rooms that don't lead one into another, the second set of portraits is just a boring rehash of the first 4.
-the main characters are some of the worst in the series. only dos's were similar, but still better because they came from aos where they rocked.
-there's absolutely no castlevania atmosphere in this game. it's too happy. also the good ending was terrible. "two silly immature kids defeated the ultimate evil, the dark lord who's supposed to be the opposite of a god while trying to crack lame jokes and not taking anything seriously, and then saved everyone. then everyone lived happpily ever after, as the two kids ran off the screen"
-saturday morning cartoon storyline
-generic animu. castlevania and animu don't mix
-the code is rushed and buggy. the game crashes, sometimes for no reason (and we're talking about the real game cartridge here. jorge can confirm), the character animations don't flow right sometimes (as in, the animations jerk around, like richter's jump animation), some things seem unfinished (richter's kick has absolutely no sound effect for example).
-the difficulty levels are lame. instead of real challenge that's based around your skill it challenges your patience, because you can spend only so much time before you get bored of hitting the same boss for minimal damage and dying from 1-2 hits.
-did i mention the characters are lame? :o
tl;dr
the game is not the best game in the series. it's mediocre. almost everyone agrees, don't bother them about it
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In Reply To #46
"rooms that don't lead one into another" What?
Also I think you are a little too exact. You notice when some pixels are wrong or something, because you are like an expert for sprites and animation. I didn't even notice 90% of the things you said. Also, my copy never crashed.
As for the characters and leveldesign and whatnot, you are totally right. SotN has this unique feeling to it, also the cool designed castle. The thing is, I never play it, because it annoys me. Some things are really dated. Like the fact that you have to equip a potion, throw it in front of you and run into it to get healed, then go back into the menu, search your weapon in that huge arsenal of mixed items and re-equip it. Also most bosses are just... boring. And when the inverted castle shows up, I turn off my ps2 most of the times. Shapeshifting or superjumping every few seconds because the ceiling isn't really made for walking, while having to listen to the same two musics all over again isn't really my idea of fun.
PoR is no masterpiece, like SotN. Noone would probably say that. But the system is perfected, you have loads of abilities which are actually fun, unlike the good-for-nothing spells Alucard has, also it has challenging Bosses, New Game+ and difficulty setting. This game isn't art, like SotN, but it's just fun, and I played through it countless of times.
No offense, I just wanted to tell you that some aspects are even better in PoR than in SotN and give you some food for thought, why there are people who actually like PoR.
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"rooms that don't lead one into another" What?
well there are few cases when you walk into a room, only to find yourself in a different place than what it should be.
for example, 13th street, sometimes you just walk outdoors, change screens that makes it looks like there'll be more outdoors, only to find yourself deep inside the bakery on the next screen.
Shapeshifting or superjumping every few seconds because the ceiling isn't really made for walking
i actually like that part, were it not for the thing that the shapeshifting takes too long and the forms are too slow. can't wait for esco's hack to fix that, as well as difficulty.
i like how the second castle requires you to use all your skills rather than just doublejump, making the other skills worthless like dos/pork did to 90% of their more cool skills.
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hey even though Serio has different opinions,
YOU MUST RESPECT SERIO. They are one of the coolest people here.
and I'm amused by Serio's reactions to my PoR and Charlotte praises. ;D
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In Reply To #49
Yeah but that's also a form of trolling.
"For the lulz"
We're all guilty of doing this at some point, but try to not do it and stuff 'cuz it's, like, not cool. :P
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In Reply To #49
you're amused at me laughing at you? :o
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PoR crashed on me, and it was a very stupid error that should not have been overlooked by the testers.
Once it happened, I knew there was quality issues with this CV. And, as I played more, it turns out I was right.
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yeah it crashed on me once too. I was pissed cause I hadnt saved it in like an hour.
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Of course it's gonna be the best, I realized this earlier.
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Since this is mostly likely just a revamp of the PoR engine (much like it was a revamp of the DoS engine) I wonder how well no$gba will support it.
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In Reply To #54
GRAH. How can you say something like that without having even played it?
I am so sorry.
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In Reply To #57
Isn't it supposed to be badLY? Just want to get it right, so I don't make a mistake in the future.
I'm sorry.
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In Reply To #56
I can just tell.
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so you expected a gothic waitress wielding a rabbit-flail while on magical hover bat rollerskates, in their quest of hunting down Dracula's evil and powerful pet Pig familiar, located somewhere within deep ruins underneath their town tavern's basement?
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In Reply To #60
wow, you're so cool now with your 4th grader level insults. all you need to do now is throw a temper tantrum towards this post like you always did at that other forum whenever i trolled you.
go back to sleep, kid, it's past your bedtime.
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In Reply To #61
May the lord smile... and the devil have mercy.
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In Reply To #46
Oh, well thanks for explaining. Sorry for getting on your case.