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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => Hardcore Gaming 101 => Topic started by: Iori E on November 24, 2008, 02:11:42 AM
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Since I don't think General Castlevania Discussion would be appropriate for this kind of thread, I'll just leave this here.
This thread is for people to post strategies, combos, tips, match videos, etc. Castlevania Judgment deserves more credit that what other sites are giving it.
From my online experience so far, this is how I would rate the characters in tiers. (Keep in mind, this is just my own personal experience, and it is subect to change as I play the game some more.)
Top tier: Aeon, Shanoa, Alucard
Top-mid tier: Maria, Golem, Dracula
Mid-tier: Grant, Sypha, Carmilla, Cornell
Low-mid tier: Trevor, Eric
Bottom tier: Simon, Death
Also keep in mind, what I call "bottom tier" is still pretty damn strong. It's just that, in a game full of strong competitors, SOMEONE has to be at the bottom. They can move upwards easily once new strategies are found for them.
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I never did accept tiers, since they never caught on in this area, we picke dour favourites and ignored the whole class thing
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In Reply To #2
I don't really follow the Tier thing, and I actually do not have a favorite at this time.
The combos are easy enough for anyone to learn rather quickly. Afterwards, it's a matter of strategy and figuring out when to guard, when to dodge, and when to L-Counter depending on your opponent's style of play.
I might come back to this thread later when I see some nice winning strategies or things people seem to 'fall for' more often, though.
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when i play as dracula alot of people fall for the traditional teleport and fireballs then a dark inferno on the 4th teleoport, i usually do this with new players so its not to difficult or if i fell like playing around, it would get annoying if thats how he fought in the game
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In Reply To #4
Doesn't it feel oh, so, satisfying, to actually play 1. as Dracula, and 2. to actually Win with his in-game-old-style Fireball/Teleport attacks? XD
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I never believed in tiers, either. (I played Golem for the sole reason that people called him bottom tier.) But they're still useful, so you know who's being played a lot online and who's "considered" to be the best/worst.
I've been having the most trouble with Dracula myself. However, I think I've found a reliable strategy against him with my Carmilla.
It's not foolproof, though. You need nerves of steel and a lot of patience.
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teirs are ment to be broken, its just basicly how good the players are with certain characters, but to reply to jorge, i found the old fighting style of drac amusing to reproduce
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From my experience Tiers are entirely a personal affair based off your own play style and talents, and "global" tiers are more a cross section of the most common styles and talents, along with a dose of popularity thrown in.
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In Reply To #8
Tiers on forums let you know, sometimes, which characters are the cheapest.
Speaking of Cheap, last night I had an online match against someone using Shanoa. I won the first round and on the 2nd and 3rd Rounds, my opponent started double-jumping and using Dominus Anger (the green rain), and I could not reach them. I was Eric. It basically became me outrunning/blocking that over and over until I was close enough to land hits. I was defeated.
However, I issued a rematch with the same person, and again, first round they fought fair (in that they tried regular combos and the like) and I won, and on the 2nd Round he started pulling that again.
This time I had to get cheap, so I spammed Eric's Projectile Blades attack. My opponent fell to that, since he/she did not know it was a homing attack and would reach him/her even if he/she would double-jump away from me.
Still, it clued me in on some cheap tactics that can be used. Had I not used Eric, I would not have known exactly how to counter the spamfest.
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usually when they try to keep doing that ith shanoa i counter with a dark inferno and teleport, yes i'm usually drac, i've been that role for some time now, not just in judgement, i guess the mmo wore off on me, lol
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In Reply To #9
S/he had to resort to spamming? I hate spamming. Even if I have to resort to it, I never do it since it bores me to death.
Anyway...
Tiers can't really be known until the pros do heavy frame analysis and we learn who gets overused in tournaments.
I just felt like throwing that quote in for the hell of it.
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First off, Tiers don't exist. You can fight anyone with anyone and win. Eric has some nasty spam moves he can do, same with Sypha and Shaona. I think Alucard is not to great in this, I mostly enjoy playing with Trevor over any of the characters.
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First off, Tiers don't exist. You can fight anyone with anyone and win.
Of course you can fight with anyone and win. But how easy would it be?
Let's say I was in a fighting game tournament and there were cash prizes. I would never use Servbot against Cable in MvC2. I would never use Dan against A-Grove Bison in CvS2. I would never use ANYONE besides Duo Lon in KOF 2003. I mean, I would love to, but the possibility of me winning would be close to zero.
That's why tiers exist.
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In Reply To #8
Tiers on forums let you know, sometimes, which characters are the cheapest.
Yeah, it's like I said.
The "cheapest" character implies that it is the most commonly easy to use character for the general player base, but it's entirely possible someone finds the cheap character too difficult to use and uses something weird no other players use often because their style is so different.
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drac's worst spam move would be dark inferno, altho the game limits to 4 orbs i believe, but still it forces the other player or cpu to keep running
altho one person was golem i fought all he did was grapple, which killed me fairly fast
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I would never use ANYONE besides Duo Lon in KOF 2003.
Are you kidding me? Use Kyo, he is the best in any KoF game, his moves are so easy to pull off. Even Shen from Duo Lon's team, you can combo off of any of his moves.
Anyways, I played Judgment for the first time today online. Yes, everyone did pick Aeon, and I beat them all with Trevor. They did moves I didn't know he had, but I won in the end =P.
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In Reply To #16
Probably his Clock things, like the Extension, the Clock Hands, the Toki No Tomare, and the Time Beam thing.
It depends what color his clock device is glowing.
If they TimeStop you and then do the Requiem of the Thirteenth Hour (his Super), it's annoying.
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Yeah pretty much Jorge, what I don't understand is why they didn't have a large move set for everyone else other than just Aeon. The online play is a spam fest, luckily a found someone who actually picked everyone other than me. We quickly became rivals. Cool guy I thought.
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Are you kidding me? Use Kyo, he is the best in any KoF game, his moves are so easy to pull off. Even Shen from Duo Lon's team, you can combo off of any of his moves.
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Just curious, have you ever played KOF 2003 in high-level competition?
In the KOF '03 tournament at SBO, everyone had Duo Lon in their team. And IIRC, no one used Kyo or Shen Woo.
Anyway, I think the number of moves each character has is just fine. Each character has something for most situations, and that's what's important.
The number of special moves a character has does not determine his usefulness. Ken is top-tier in SFIII: 3rd Strike, despite having only 3 special moves. (Some characters in that game have 6 or more.)
Omegasigma: Was it my Golem you fought against? I may have used certain moves repeatedly, but I'll say right now that spamming with Golem will only get one killed.
Golem is more about strategy and outsmarting the opponent than mindlessly using the same attack over and over again.
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Yes Iori I've played in plenty of tourneys, are the high level? Probably not, but regardless my main team usually consists of K-Dash which is probably my favorite KoF character since 99 when he started, some random characters im good with as second and probably Kyo or Kim in the third slot. I don't follow tiers because its such a lame way to play fighting games, not only that,to people that do follow that crap it makes all the other characters useless in the game. But hey, that is just my opinion. Im not trying to start a flame war here. Anyways, back on topic for good now.
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In Reply To #20
A CV online buddy of mine wh00ped my ass yesterday (I only won the first match, the progressively got worse). The lag seemed to get worse with each match, but I admit I was also not that good either.
:(
Still, it's a great game.