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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Venkman on December 26, 2008, 06:05:43 PM
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Alright Yoko, Carrie (who i'm guessing is back in the official time line with Cornell) are both decendants of Sypha Belnades correct. Well in judgement and in Dracula's Curse(pretty much) it says tha Trevor and Sypha get married after thier little adventure,which would mean a Belnades family decendant wouldnt make any since, they would just be a Belmont.
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I'm pretty sure that they aren't descendants of Sypha, but rather like her brother or something to that extent.
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Not so new flash: CV64 is still not in the timeline. It never was. It never will be.
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Um...what? Why would they just be a Belmont? That's silly.
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In Reply To #4
They would be Belmont if they were decendents of Sypha and Trevor, rather, they would be half and half, a nice, strong cup of Beladmont.
However, if Sypha were to have a brother or something, which is more than possible, she could have tracked him down, and taught him/her/it magic/informed them of their new family and destiny, and thus, the Belnades were formed
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Not so new flash: CV64 is still not in the timeline. It never was. It never will be.
doesn't matter, he's just looking for some kind of rational explanation for carrie's powers bro. And it might be added later, no telling what iga or his successor are likely to do, personally I think they need to fix the camera issues with the n64 titles and give them a graphical overhaul like the re gamecube games and rerelease them.
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Yeah, it's likely that Yoko is a descendant of one of Sypha's relatives.
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It would be hard to see any of them being a DIRECT descendant of Sypha and not having a Belmont surname or anything alluding to them having Belmont blood within them. The only way they could retain the Belnades surname was to marry back into the Belnades family. Though, it would be unlikely they simply choose to keep the Belnades surname. Especially when they had the LEGENDARY surname of the Belmonts.
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It's partially thanks to Konami constantly changing its mind at points when C64 was well into production.
For example, Schneider Belmont became Reinhardt Schneider, and Carrie's Castle Center boss went from being a corrupted version of Sypha herself to being downplayed as a random unnamed cousin who was turned into a vampire.
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Why do people constantly think that Bloodlines consist of only one person? Are people dense?
An entire family could have powers, it's not just one person.
@Uzo:
Your statement is flamebait, and you're not part of Konami's staff to make such definitive statements (and I know of your rampant hatred of the 64 games so just cut that out right now). Control yourself.
If you have issues, take 'em to PM or to AIM.
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@Uzo:
Your statement is flamebait, and you're not part of Konami's staff to make such definitive statements (and I know of your rampant hatred of the 64 games so just cut that out right now). Control yourself.
If you have issues, take 'em to PM or to AIM.
I don't see now that's flamebait. It's also fact that it isn't canon(though, saying it never will be is probably a stretch)(and rampant hatred shouldn't have anything to do with it). It isn't nice to overreact like that.
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In Reply To #11
Well, I'm only human, y'know. I can overreact every once in a while (though it's mostly in good fun, it's not like I said it was a warning).
And it is flamebait. Anyone can start a flamewar right afterwards with some counterargument. It's not the statement, but rather the way it is said. I will voice my concerns as people get uppity here.
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And it is flamebait. Anyone can start a flamewar right afterwards with some counterargument.
If that's the case, then nearly every post in the forum is flamebait.
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In Reply To #13
Like Jorges said, the way it is said sounded like it's trying to start something. I didn't see it that way, but some people might.
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You got it backwards. I want to end it. End the unfounded misnomer that the N64 games are canon.
If I was going to start something you all know it wouldn't be something you'd have to guess if it was intended to start something or not.
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Yea... I know. But people over react on anythign... it happens. But in anycase... Even if Carrie isn't, isn't Yoko still canon? So she'd still be a "plothole" that is still easily explained that Sypha isn't the only Belnades around.
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My best guess is if Trevor and Sypha got married & hitched, they had to have at least two kids or someone in the Belmont line had two kids, likely Trev&Syph though. One of the kids likely chose the Belmont name that the married couple have gone by, while the other somewhere along the line maybe insisted on the Belnades maiden name. Or Trevor could've died in Curse of Darkness (If I got stabbed in the chest and kissed by a guy in leather I would die miserably.) and Sypha would be a widow under her old maiden name with one of her kids wanting to go by the Belmont name out of respect and to keep the legacy going.
Come to think of it, weren't the Belmonts shunned by townsfolk around that time? That'd also help my theory.
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In Reply To #17
Not at all, that was only in Legends iirc, and that is already "discarded."
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Or Trevor could've died in Curse of Darkness (If I got stabbed in the chest and kissed by a guy in leather I would die miserably.)
wouldn't that be a problem though? he was the last of the belmonts they could find in cv3, so if he died who would train his son how to be a belmont?
i mean, the definition of the real belmonts is that they're pretty cool guys, they fight dracula and doesn't afraid of anything
but without trev's teachings he could never know how to use the whip, about the subweapons, the methods of training the belmonts go through to become hulking masses of muscle etc.
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In Reply To #18
People feared the Belmonts' power by that time. People became grateful for the Belmonts once Simon came around since it was in a time of need.
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In Reply To #17
I still think that's a little farfetched, the child deciding to keep the Belnades surname. Especially with continuing family traditions, people were less liberal back then. And I'd think any child of a Belmont would wish to keep the Belmont surname first and foremost, particularly to carry on the name. And female will, nonetheless, marry into another family(hence Morris). Unless one of Trevor's daughters, or female descendants married back into the Belnades clan(married a male cousin). I never though Yoko, personally, was a direct descendant of Sypha, but more of a descendant of Sypha's family, the Belnades.
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wouldn't that be a problem though? he was the last of the belmonts they could find in cv3, so if he died who would train his son how to be a belmont?
I don't think Trevor died. the Belmonts are superhuman, I'm sure he was able to overcome it. It's just one single stab, and if it didn't hit anything vital he should have been fine. I haven't heard of anyone mentioning this but has it crossed anybodies mind that the stabbing may have been intentional? Just seems strange Iga would just up and let his favorite belmont and most prized character get stabbed in the back for no reason. Maybe it was supposed to be a testament to Trevor's overall supernatural power that not even that could kill him.
You got it backwards. I want to end it. End the unfounded misnomer that the N64 games are canon.
Well Iga has stated that officially they aren't but anybody can make a timeline and put whatever games they wish into it. And Iga or whoever succeeds him might change his mind on those. Personally I dont' see anything wrong with the n64 games plotwise. I think It's just a matter of quality. (easily fixed by fixing the elements that drag that aspect down) If you retcon (or just change the date which I think is more logical than outright killing it) circle of the moon they actually fit in a perfect slot in the mid 1800's with a non belmont having the whip which eventually gets handed down to John Morris. Scheineder clan may even be closely related to the morris's. All descending from the mother belmont clan.
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Personally I dont' see anything wrong with the n64 games plotwise.
They're convoluted, contradict a lot of things, and leave a ton of things unexplained(same goes for CotM). KCEK's games were never meant to be canon, anyway.
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In Reply To #22
well the n64 games were probably developed with a different time slot in mind, but then changed in the last minute. i mean, they have enough hints to show the first one's time slot was supposed to overwrite bloodlines.
there's the whole deal with motorcycles and technology, renon mentioning a large scale global war about to start (ww1) etc.
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I don't think Trevor died. the Belmonts are superhuman, I'm sure he was able to overcome it. It's just one single stab, and if it didn't hit anything vital he should have been fine. I haven't heard of anyone mentioning this but has it crossed anybodies mind that the stabbing may have been intentional? Just seems strange Iga would just up and let his favorite belmont and most prized character get stabbed in the back for no reason. Maybe it was supposed to be a testament to Trevor's overall supernatural power that not even that could kill him.
Actually, it was Issac's intent to kill Trevor. But, if you remember, afterwards Julia informs Hector that Trevor was gravely injured and that his life was hanging on by a thread. However, the game never states if Trevor dies or not. So it could go either way.
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Julia informs Hector that Trevor was gravely injured and that his life was hanging on by a thread. However, the game never states if Trevor dies or not. So it could go either way
Yeah but Julia is judging Trevor by normal Human standards. Trevor could have just been in a trance healing himself with his power. Julia is also a witch and is probably not well trained on human anatomy and physiology as well as the effect that trevors powers have on his physiology. If a primitive man came up on Spock from star trek in a trans they could conclude that he is dieing too. Or near death.
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In Reply To #26
What are you talking about? Hector? Julia? They don't exist.
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In Reply To #26
What are you talking about? Hector? Julia? They don't exist.
When Trevor gets stabbed and Julia says he is near death.
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In Reply To #26
What are you talking about? Hector? Julia? They don't exist.
Uhhhhhhhhh.......lolwut
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In Reply To #26
What are you talking about? Hector? Julia? They don't exist.
...What crazy little universe are you living in, where CoD is not canon?
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I think it was Jorge who said it and i agree: i think the best possible explanation for the Belnades name surviving is that Sypha had a brother. Granted it is possible for a child of Trevor and Sypha to take the Belnades surname out of respect and what not. (to justify it further the child could have had more in common with Sypha's magic than Trevor's abilities)
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In Reply To #28 & #29 & #30
Obviously, it was lost on you guys. ::) I was just expressing my hate for the CoD story and wished it wasn't canon.
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In Reply To #28 & #29 & #30
Obviously, it was lost on you guys. ::) I was just expressing my hate for the CoD story and wished it wasn't canon.
I can understand the hate towards Trevor getting stabbed But we have to remember the belmonts are human too. Richter was injured in ROB. I think what sets the belmonts apart are their recovery abilities coupled with their awesome strength. Trevor got stabbed through the chest and that wasn't even enough to kill him. (which makes sense since dracula can't) I think they should have included him in the ending though.
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i guess they could show him for a short while, maybe in julia's shop, bandaged and sleeping or something.
i doubt he'd be in a good enough shape to stand around and talk with everyone after getting mortally wounded few hours ago.
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I was just expressing my hate for the CoD story and wished it wasn't canon.
That's just ridiculous. It's also no reason to act like it's non-canon.
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In Reply To #33
Nah, it's not only that, thought that did kind of irritate me. I just didn't really like Hector or his rival. And the whole Hector beating Dracula thing just seemed so off. Not to mention, Hector's power just seemed way~~~y too powerful to be under Drac's thumb. Of course he left, but Isaac didn't.
In Reply To #35
Lost on you indeed.
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In Reply To #35
Lost on you indeed.
What's that even supposed to mean? Where are you going with this? All I see is that you're acting like an idiot because you don't like CoD's story.
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i guess they could show him for a short while, maybe in julia's shop, bandaged and sleeping or something.
i doubt he'd be in a good enough shape to stand around and talk with everyone after getting mortally wounded few hours ago.
Just read in the castlevania wiki that he recovered quickly and went back home when Hector was killing drac. Don't know how canon this explanation is though.
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In Reply To #37
It's obviously that I know that the story is canon, I only said it as a joke. But it's obviously still lost on you.
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In Reply To #39
Not really. It's not like it makes it any less sillier anyway.
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Not so new flash: CV64 is still not in the timeline. It never was. It never will be.
/end of thread
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