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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Alutwon on April 12, 2009, 10:45:32 PM
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Something I have often wondered is if there are 2 Belmont heirs which one gets the whip? Does the clan decide or the whip? For example in HoD the reason Maxim does his thing was because he wanted the whip, which means he has Belmont blood right? Is he Juste's cousin or what?
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You know, I'm not sure what's up with Maxim. Since his last name isn't Belmont, he shouldn't really be a candidate for inheriting the whip. Maybe that's part of the reason he feels frustrated?
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The way I believe it works is that all the males from all the branches of the clan get trained and the strongest is the one who receives the title of vampire hunter and is given the whip.
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Hey, it looks like Maria got the whip:
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Eternal_Knights_2_Maria_2.JPG
(from the Eternal Knights 2 game talked about on the other thread)
ok, that's not the Vampire Killer nor a canon game by any stretch, but it looks like all the characters of the "Vampire Killer" class in that game get whips.
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Why is Maria's DXC redesign canon I don't even.
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I really doubt it. He does say that but c'mon everyone wants that whip.
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Maxim was probably jealous of Juste the same way Hugh was jealous of Nathan.
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I would think the first born son of the family would get it. Trevor would pass it to his, and his son would pass it on to the next son, and so on. The Belmont's who possess the whip are probably of the direct bloodline of Leon.
I'm sure someone will probably say "What if they don't have a son, then what?" Well, there's no mention of how its really passed on, so I would assume if this is the case then they all have sons.
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How the heck did the Morris clan get the whip and why so late? I mean the 1800's where lacking in vampire hunters.
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I don't think Maxim expected to get the Vampire Killer. He just didn't like the idea of seeming inferior to Juste. Nothing in the game points to him actually wanting or expecting the whip, he just wanted to be stronger than Juste.
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I was under the impression, canon or not, that the reason the Graves and Morris clans got the VK Whip was due to there being no male heir around/ready at a given time; therefore, the son of the most-related clan would get the honor. But really, there could/should be a story where a female Belmont has the honor of the VK Whip (IE: a retcon Sonja) and then starts her own line with a new name that later has to use the whip.
But, anyway, I thought that Castlevania has been trying to move beyond the whip with all the magic and sword use up front lately. Sad, because the whip has so much unused gameplay potential and is one of the things that makes Castlevania unique.
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Here's Maxim's words in the game
"Maxim: The day you inherited the title of Vampire Hunter...I felt as if a wall had been erected between us...and for that reason, I set out on my expedition. I wanted to be better than you and relieve you of your fate."
I wonder if the "title" of Vampire Hunter doesn't have to follow the person who owns the whip? The game Belmont's Revenge doesn't make a big deal about the whip. It just says that Soleiyu was inheriting the title "Vampire Hunter", and it didn't say anything about him inheriting the whip. But he had his own whip in the game (wouldn't it be cool if that was the origin of Nathan's Hunter Whip?). It might be that he wouldn't officially inherit the whip itself until his father retired, which he wasn't planning on doing anytime soon.
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I would think the first born son of the family would get it.
I thought that was a given? Look at the time period. I still think this was the reason behind Iga's removing of our favourite :'( lass. ::)
I wonder if the "title" of Vampire Hunter doesn't have to follow the person who owns the whip?
I also assumed that the title was separate to the whip, whereby the whip was more a holy relic.
(wouldn't it be cool if that was the origin of Nathan's Hunter Whip?).
That is an interesting idea, actually.
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In Reply To #12
Well, from what we know how, the reason why the Morris clan(or Graves... say what you will) has the VK is NOT because the Belmonts lacked a male heir, but because "something happened regarding Richter where the Belmont family had to go into hiding and was not allowed to touch the VK until 1999".
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I wonder if the "title" of Vampire Hunter doesn't have to follow the person who owns the whip? The game Belmont's Revenge doesn't make a big deal about the whip. It just says that Soleiyu was inheriting the title "Vampire Hunter", and it didn't say anything about him inheriting the whip. But he had his own whip in the game (wouldn't it be cool if that was the origin of Nathan's Hunter Whip?). It might be that he wouldn't officially inherit the whip itself until his father retired, which he wasn't planning on doing anytime soon.
I think that the whip of Soleil was made by Dracula's forces, so, it's a dark whip (It must be because a holy whip can't be holded against a Belmont)and a Vampire hunter might be WHOEVER KILLS VAMPIRES. Remember the Radio Drama, Alexei and Cyril where Vampire hunters, and they didn't have any relationship with a Belmont (Except that Richter was somehow training them).
Am I wrong or in the HOD is said that Simon made a kind of tournament to choose who gets the whip?
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Am I wrong or in the HOD is said that Simon made a kind of tournament to choose who gets the whip?
I'm not really big on HoD, and I haven't played that in awhile but I don't think thats stated. That sounds like one of those things you don't forget easily. And It kind of sounds lame if it is in there
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The intro to CVAdventure states that, not HoD.
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So wait Soleil was tainted similar to how Richter was but the Belmonts could still hold the whip? I'm a little confused.
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IGA said that something mostlikely happened AFTER SotN which resulted in the Belmonts loosing the whip. He said he had to address that "event", and seemingly he didn't really do that with OoE, nor the Radio Drama.
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In Reply To #20
OoE did explain something else, though. I remember hearing a while back that Alucard sealed himself away after SotN to keep Drac from coming back. So how did Drac come back anyways in Bloodlines and PoR? Ecclesia reveals that the Seal placed on Drac had been shattered (Durring the game, that is), which allowed Drac to be revived.
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So Alucard did seal himself again? well that explains his abscence in OoE
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Would he even be aware of OoE? Ecclesia was supposed to be a Super Double Top Secret attempt to kill / revive Dracula outside of the active Belmont channels without tampering with the existing continuity, and the castle itself only existed for a brief time in the middle of some wilderness. Alucard could have just been as clueless as the rest of the outside world.
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So wait Soleil was tainted similar to how Richter was but the Belmonts could still hold the whip? I'm a little confused.
Putting aside questions of whether or not Order of Shadows is canon or not, Order of Shadows does indicate that Desmond Belmont's father was unable to use the Vampire Killer whip (at least at its full power) and was slain by Rohan Krause as a result. Given the time period OoS is from, I like to think that Desmond is Soleiyu's son or grandson and the fact that Soleiyu got possessed had something to do with this little problem. Desmond "earned back" that power by defeating Krause (or maybe the whip reawoke the moment Dracula returned, which was triggered by Krause's death). This seems unrelated to whatever reason the Belmonts couldn't use the whip after Richter though.
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In Reply To #21
I don't recall hearing that. Then again, any info posted regarding the SotN radio drama didn't stick with me, so I don't recall the gist of it other than Alucard NOT sealing himself directly after the events of SotN and that he was chasing another vampire who was posing as him.
OoE's date isn't given, but from what I recall IGA first commenting on, he said it took place sometime in the mid-1800s, which meant there was a good time between SotN and that for stuff to have happened. Some of us think that the new PS3/360 CV game will take place sometime then(after the events of the SotN and the radio Drama, but before OoE), and it will somehow explain what exactly happened.
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In Reply To #23
Well anything is possible in the CV universe. I don't see how he couldn't be aware. He woke from what was supposed to be an eternal slumber because the balance shifted. Since there was no "true" vampire killer (person not whip) around in OoE he should have sensed that immediately.
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In Reply To #21
I don't recall hearing that. Then again, any info posted regarding the SotN radio drama didn't stick with me, so I don't recall the gist of it other than Alucard NOT sealing himself directly after the events of SotN and that he was chasing another vampire who was posing as him.
OoE's date isn't given, but from what I recall IGA first commenting on, he said it took place sometime in the mid-1800s, which meant there was a good time between SotN and that for stuff to have happened. Some of us think that the new PS3/360 CV game will take place sometime then(after the events of the SotN and the radio Drama, but before OoE), and it will somehow explain what exactly happened.
The Alucard sealing Dracula thing comes from the google translation of Alucard's profile in the audio drama, which says "After sealing the revived Dracula, Vampire忌MI嫌I with the blood of their own, have hidden themselves. " I had interpreted this as meaning Alucard sealed away Dracula with his own blood, but maybe the whole blood thing was just talking about the fact Alucard and Dracula were related. But it does seem Dracula was sealed at any rate.
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According to the super Castlevania 4 instruction booklet the Vampirekiller is passed on to the eldest child of the main Belmont family house. In other words those who are of direct descended of the first Belmont to ever use the whip. While other members of the family are trained in the skills of vampire slaying, they themselves would not carry or use the whip unless something happened to the one who is of direct decendent. And since The whip is given to the eldest child there is no excuse as to why we can't have a woman Belmont play the lone hero for a change.
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In Reply To #28
Well not that I'm saying theirs anything wrong with a CV heroine or that Castlevania is historically accurate in anyway, but look at the time period and its obvious tradition is heavily in play here so i doubt they meant 'female' eldest child.
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True. But I do think that IGA's the one responsible for the so-called tradition. It wouldn't kill him to have a woman around once in a while. :P
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I'm glad Sonia was taken out of the "official" canon. I'm so sick of political correctness. No way would a female inherit the curse of having to battle Dracula during those times.
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I'm glad Sonia was taken out of the "official" canon. I'm so sick of political correctness. No way would a female inherit the curse of having to battle Dracula during those times.
He needs to at least release a game then to fill in the gap or fill us in in another game. COD would have been a perfect opportunity. Taking it out and doing nothing and leaving a great big hole was/is shitty.
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I seriously doubt any real information about who gets the whip exists anywhere in Konami's hub of operations, let alone what the real deal is behind the ties/division/rivalries separating the Belmont and the Morris families. With that in mind, I think it's safe to say that whoever gets the most well-thought out reason for inheriting the damn thing is given the whip. Whether it's a male or female hunter is an entirely different call to make.
By the way, seeing as how I've managed to keep my mouth shut for quite some time, I'd like to take a moment to say that--... *sigh* For a guy who makes such serious claims about storyline consistency and continuity in the CV series, Igarashi-sama did a bang-up job delivering a totally unoriginal supernatural-goth anime protagonist for Order of Ecclesia, bolstered considerably by a total disregard for the entire "Dracula/CastleVania 100 year cycle resurrection," AGAIN! and the most vague time setting in CV history. "Early in the 1800's?" What, did he think he could get away with bending the rules of Dracula's return by not being specific?
Seriously, I have no personal animosity towards the dude. Never did. But I do hope deep down that Lords of Shadow sinks his mythos like so much faulty outdated hardware.
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Agreed.
Castlevania should have taken 2 more things from metroid: Less main characters and less games
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Yeah. At the rate the series is going, it's going to eventually have more plotholes then the anime Dragonball Z.
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In Reply To #34
Couldn't have said it better.