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Title: Worst Game in Series
Post by: MeSako on February 04, 2010, 05:22:51 PM
We have a poll of the BEST game.. Now I present the poll for the WORST game.
I totally, whole heartily love this franchise, but as we all know , there are some black sheep in there, some games we don't like. And since we all have different tast, we dislike different games.
Which one is your blackest sheep??
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: MeSako on February 04, 2010, 05:26:04 PM
I myself went for Circle of the Moon. Why? Because the controls where awful, and the interior of the Castle looked like it was built for giants. And much of the rooms where of screen, so even a small shack was two screens wide. And the bosses where most of the time off screen due to the big rooms!
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: darkwzrd4 on February 04, 2010, 05:52:05 PM
I say CV64. The camera sucked and the castle center seems nearly impossible to complete without getting blown up. Plus, the character movements weren't fluid.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Harrycombs on February 04, 2010, 05:52:21 PM
l voted Lament of Innocence. I hate it. Its complete inferior to CV64 and it not enjoyable to play. The graphics are high enough resolution, but the design is absolutely atrocious. The combat is alright (its been done better in other games), the exploration is pretty terrible, and the level design is absolutely atrocious. The boss battles are not fun (The succubus is just annoying, the golem is pathetic when you spam holy water...). The only good thing is the music.
I understand why some would vote Legends, and it is pretty bad but I don't think people's expectations would have been as high. I still think its better than Adventure, despite the levels being quite boring, and its not as frustrating as LoI. LoI had so much potential...
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Nagumo on February 04, 2010, 05:54:54 PM
Vampire Killer because of the poor hit detection (which is really annoying) and the super boring levels.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: X on February 04, 2010, 07:14:01 PM
Lament of Innocence. Why? Cause of Dracula's origins. The game would've succeeded had there not been that awful story contradiction.
-X
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: crisis on February 04, 2010, 07:36:10 PM
Christopher is the slowest moving character in the series.
They chose to remake his game, because it is the worst in the series.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Profbeanburrito on February 04, 2010, 08:23:07 PM
I voted Circle of the Moon, but I would have also voted for Harmony of Dissonance, if I could vote twice.Both have terrible maps and level layouts, both have lame stories and I really didn't care about any of the characters in both. But, I still think they're good, just the two worst games in the series.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: shelverton. on February 04, 2010, 08:51:26 PM
I was expecting to see HoD and PoR getting more votes here.. I'm also really surprised at CotM and OoE. Personally I voted CV64, but I think Adventure is just as bad. Legends is a close third, followed by Haunted Castle, Vampire's Kiss, Legacy of Darkness and LoI (which honesly isn't a bad game, but there aren't many "bad" games in the series anyway, just "less great" ones).
CotM, CV64 and Legends are in the lead so far. So much for "IGA destroyed our beloved franchise!1"...
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Harrycombs on February 04, 2010, 10:21:38 PM
I know there are a lot of people who don't like CV64, but I'm surprised that people think its the worst in the series. Its strange that there is more love for Haunted Castle, Adventure, Portrait of Ruin, and Legends than CV64 :(
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Abnormal Freak on February 04, 2010, 10:28:27 PM
Curse of Darkness by far. At least Haunted Castle is somewhat enjoyable to play. Adventure and Legends are also fun. But, that old school 'Vania gameplay is where it's at for me.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: jimmay17 on February 04, 2010, 10:33:18 PM
I voted Lament of Innocence. It wasn't a terrible game, but it is one of the few in the series that I've never felt compelled to revisit after the initial run-through. I found it an un-involving, tedious button-masher with little incentive to explore or replay.
I've never played it, but from everything I've heard, Haunted Castle should probably be running away with this poll, the consensus seems to be it is nearly unplayable, almost certainly un-finishable. It probably would be leading this poll, of course, but for one inconvenient fact: It isn't in it, you've forgotten it, which says a lot on its own. :P
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Neverafter on February 04, 2010, 11:25:34 PM
I'll usually go with Haunted Castle, but then again arcade games can only be so good. So I think harmony of dissonance is, or portrait of ruin. Why, because constantly waiting 15 seconds to switching back and forth from two identical and boring castles, while hearing to choppy and annoying music, looking at dull backgrounds, and watching Juste stand around constantly loosing his balance wondering why it takes so long to do something your force to do all the time. I could only play it for so long until I vertigo. The controls are also poor. Half of the time hit it's because I'm jumping forward while whipping and for some reason Juste can't change direction while doing so. It's a big step back from Circle of the moon.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Death on February 05, 2010, 12:47:24 AM
Wow, who voted Order of Ecclesia?
I voted CV64. I still remember buying that game the day it came out, biggest dissapointment of my gaming life. :'(
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Ahasverus on February 05, 2010, 01:27:07 AM
CV 64 is god awful, lots of glitches, horrible camera, unreponsive control, almost unexisting music, bt the worst of the worst, SKELETONS ON MOTORCYCLES! :-X
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Profbeanburrito on February 05, 2010, 02:36:53 AM
CV 64 is god awful, lots of glitches, horrible camera, unreponsive control, almost unexisting music, bt the worst of the worst, SKELETONS ON MOTORCYCLES! :-X
I love 64! I understand bitching about glitches, but what 3D game back then didn't, I've never had any problems with any controls, the music is fantastic and really sets the mood. The level design is fun and I felt it was a great translation from the earlier 2D titles. I love that game, it's in my top 5 CV games.
But yes, I will give you the motorcycle skeletons. They are completely awful!
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Lumas on February 05, 2010, 03:47:10 AM
I voted Curse of Darkness, the story was one of the worst in the series, the voice acting was over used anime dub actors (Chrispin Freeman is a tool), graphics were a massive heap of chemical vomit, the character designs were about as hot topic as you can get, the gameplay was lame and simplistic, I wont even go into the level designs, even the music were a huge disappointment to me it just sounded like yamane just got bored. It was a massive step back from Lament of innocence. If you took Chaos Legion, Symphony of the Night, and Pokemon tossed it into a blender, put it in the glass and consumed it then vommited back up then you would have the equlivant to Curse of Darkness in mush form. Ill take skeletons riding on motorcycles anyday of the week over that lame ass pile of crap.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Reinhart77 on February 05, 2010, 05:05:08 AM
it's really sad that Order of Shadows gets overlooked even as a candidate for worst Castlevania game ever.
i suppose the Tiger Electronics Castlevania games don't count...
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Abnormal Freak on February 05, 2010, 05:37:36 AM
I voted Lament of Innocence. It wasn't a terrible game, but it is one of the few in the series that I've never felt compelled to revisit after the initial run-through. I found it an un-involving, tedious button-masher with little incentive to explore or replay.
I've never played it, but from everything I've heard, Haunted Castle should probably be running away with this poll, the consensus seems to be it is nearly unplayable, almost certainly un-finishable. It probably would be leading this poll, of course, but for one inconvenient fact: It isn't in it, you've forgotten it, which says a lot on its own. :P
B-but, what about COD? :O For what LOI is, COD is that and so much worse. Except it tries to make less claustrophobic and standard stage designs, but ends up being more boring in the process. Music's not as good, visuals aren't as fun to look at... LOI is a pretty rad game, and I played through it a few times, despite its flaws. COD, I STILL haven't managed to beat because I get bored every time I try to play it.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: MeSako on February 05, 2010, 06:39:24 AM
Sorry.. had forgotten about Order of Shadow. Added it now, and sorry you guys who wanted to vote for it..
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Koutei on February 05, 2010, 08:04:19 AM
Where is the Judgment?
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: The Silverlord on February 05, 2010, 08:08:04 AM
I was expecting to see ... PoR getting more votes here..
Please allow me . . .
[edit] Portrait of Ruin was completely devoid of character or charm. Playing it felt like going through the motions rather than it being an experience. Castleroid by numbers with some silly artwork and banal dialogue thrown in. The setting had so much potential, and it was effectively wasted.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: MeSako on February 05, 2010, 11:06:33 AM
it's really sad that Order of Shadows gets overlooked even as a candidate for worst Castlevania game ever.
This.
I'm guessing most people haven't played it. OoS isn't a bad game for what it is. When you are talking about it, you have to consider it was made for phones, not a real platform. So, in general, I think it did good with what it had.
But, compared to every other game in the series, it is the worst one.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Harrycombs on February 05, 2010, 02:29:24 PM
Yes, how dare a game respect the sound of silence!
CV64 is awesome. Third best in the series IMO.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: PFG9000 on February 05, 2010, 03:52:47 PM
No option for Haunted Castle, Vampire Killer MSX, the IBM/Commodore64/Amiga conversions of CV1, or the Tiger Handhelds? Those would all probably get votes for the worst.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Kale on February 05, 2010, 03:56:03 PM
Ah yea... Order of Shadows... I never played it though, so I just went with PoR.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Aridale on February 05, 2010, 04:36:19 PM
yeah vampire killer msx IS fuckin horrible. I wouldnt say Haunted Castle is bad tho its just old school arcade hard so you have to keep feedin it change. My vote was for CV64
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: A. Rex on February 05, 2010, 06:24:32 PM
Portrait of Ruin was completely devoid of character or charm. Playing it felt like going through the motions rather than it being an experience. Castleroid by numbers with some silly artwork and banal dialogue thrown in. The setting had so much potential, and it was effectively wasted.
While Potrait was rather mediocre by Castlevania standards, it's still a rather decent game, and by no means the worst in the series.
Also, doesn't Haunted Castle make you start back at the beginning when you lose all your lives, even if you keep pumping in quarters?
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: shelverton. on February 05, 2010, 06:53:30 PM
While Potrait was rather mediocre by Castlevania standards, it's still a rather decent game
Yeah, I find it kinda hard to judge PoR sometimes. At its core, it's a well done 2D action adventure that definitely would've been better recieved if it hadn't been a Castlevania game at all. The game is fairly long, there's a lot of things to see and do, little details here and there, and the soundtrack is great IMO.
Also, I don't think the level design is any worse than in Order of Ecclesia, neither are the recycled graphics and repeating rooms. In a way, OoE was actually worse in this regard. PoR is a little silly, and way too cartoony, but there's really nothing wrong with the gameplay. I had fun playing it, but I still think it's the weakest of the DS Castlevanias, maybe because the last few portraits were b o r i n g. They should've been NEW areas with NEW bakground graphics. That would've helped a lot IMO. I also hardly ever used Charlotte, except when absolutely necessary.
All in all, PoR is one of the better action games on the DS, but slightly disappointing as a Castlevania.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Kale on February 05, 2010, 06:56:48 PM
It was not a decent platformer... the stages are extremely horrid in that game, it starts off alright but some of those stages are down right disgusting.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: RichterB on February 05, 2010, 07:03:46 PM
You know, even bad Castlevania games have their moments, but after much consideration..."Curse of Darkness."
In the past I've called it the "Curse of Mediocrity." On the plus side, it had a few intriguing characters (who didn't quite pan out), it tried to create an interconnected world structure in 3D, it had some great tunes, and added a functional player-controlled 3D camera. HOWEVER, the game itself is one I have tried and cannot play through a second time, even with Trevor mode. It is so huge, empty, and devoid of platforming. LoI had better level design, and it had weak level design. In fact, CoD is almost a step back from LoI in every way: Unneeded, Chaos Legion/Pokemon elements were added as the main hook to cover for the deletion of 99.9% of platforming; the whip was nowhere in sight; and all the story build-up of Leon from LoI was dropped in favor of an inconsequential side-story that made Trevor look like a fool.
It was just more evidence of all the many things CV64/LoD got RIGHT. There's no way CV64 is at the bottom of the pack; at the very least, it's in the middle. I think it gets such a bad rap because of its timing with SotN and people expecting that style to be the main style. That aforementioned PS1 game, despite its quality, has gotten a little overblown over the years IMO. But I digress...
A few more comments: CotM had a classic CV feel and challenge to it even as it took the Castleroid route and was the first experimental outing on GBA. CotM just might be the best GBA or DS Castlevania overall. PoR was repetitive and goofy at times, but I found it a fresher experience than DoS, which was like an expansion pack of AoS. The original GB Adventure has tough controls, but it has a lot of unique charm and fun to it that I feel it gets more static than it deserves. Don't get me started on Dracula XX/Vampire's Kiss, because I love that game. Better than Rondo, I think, as it's more focused, more challenging, and has a better visual & musical atmosphere. I cannot speak for the pre-NES Castlevania games, as I have never played them. Also, OoE I skipped, as I had enough of the meandering "Castleroid" with no death pits style of games. I'll come back to it eventually, like I did for DoS and PoR. Oh, and didn't bother with Order of Shadows, because it was a cellphone game and looked boring (no offense).
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: shelverton. on February 05, 2010, 07:06:47 PM
It was not a decent platformer... the stages are extremely horrid in that game, it starts off alright but some of those stages are down right disgusting.
Though some of the stages are quite good. Like, the Clock Tower for instance. It's not bad at all, I actually like the design! At least it's waaaaay better than in Ecclesia which had a terrible clock tower. But yeah, some of the levels are very uninspired, can't argue with you there.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: jimmay17 on February 06, 2010, 01:23:45 AM
B-but, what about COD? :O For what LOI is, COD is that and so much worse. Except it tries to make less claustrophobic and standard stage designs, but ends up being more boring in the process. Music's not as good, visuals aren't as fun to look at... LOI is a pretty rad game, and I played through it a few times, despite its flaws. COD, I STILL haven't managed to beat because I get bored every time I try to play it.
Meh, we're talking about indefensible personal tastes here, but I actually enjoyed Curse of Darkness a lot more. Tedious, sure, but the compulsive in me enjoyed the weapon and devil forging and enemy item drops, and the soundtrack gives SoTN a run for best 'Vania score in the series. To me, the graphics and environments were an improvement over Lament, and it boasted a greater variety of enemies to mix things up a little.
Again, nothing I can prove that I'm objectively 'right' about, but there it is.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Inccubus on February 06, 2010, 01:38:27 AM
it's really sad that Order of Shadows gets overlooked even as a candidate for worst Castlevania game ever.
Ser, truer words were never spoken. I get the impression most people didn't play this atrocious but of offal. It's at about the same level as CotM only the character art, the design, and the controls are worse. However, I'll concede that the awful controls is due mostly to the platform.
i suppose the Tiger Electronics Castlevania games don't count...
Only because they are not on the list.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Reinhart77 on February 06, 2010, 02:52:08 AM
it's not in my nature to think of any Castlevania game as "bad", much less come up with the "worst" one. order of shadows certainly does come up the most short though, but i did enjoy the game just to see what elements from games i'm familiar with they put in. i was just tickled that they decided to make a "new" game rather than an inferior remake of an already made game. game technology advances way too fast. the first Game Boy game had a lot of rough edges to it. but they continued making them and the technology advanced so that by the time the PS2 came out, it was declared unmarketable to make a 2D CV game on a console, but handhelds had grown enough to take its place and got better each time. now handhelds are pretty well up there and expectations for them is high and I was expecting maybe cell phone games would take over, making good old simple Castlevania games with each one getting better and better as the phones get more and more capacity and graphical capability. that doesn't seem to be what happened though, it seems that Konami's first stab at an original cell phone game was received so poorly that they might not make another one ever again and instead just license it out to 3rd parties to continue making inferior remakes of existing games... fortunately, i hadn't considered new downloadable games like The Adventure ReBirth to consoles or handhelds, so maybe that will be where 2D grows next.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Abnormal Freak on February 06, 2010, 10:47:58 PM
yeah vampire killer msx IS fuckin horrible. I wouldnt say Haunted Castle is bad tho its just old school arcade hard so you have to keep feedin it change. My vote was for CV64
Haven't played it myself, only seen play-through vids, but still, y'gotta respect it at least for starting the series. (Even though it was released after the Famicom game, it was in development first.) Thank goodness Konami saw what was good about the game and turned it into a rockin' action game.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: shelverton. on February 07, 2010, 01:13:19 AM
It just hit me tonight - when I was drinking lots and lots of beer and my friends were talking about Mass Effect 2, and other random new games they like - that Castlevania 1 (NES) is a f*ckin masterpiece. I'm still drunk, so I'm allowed to say stuff like that. But it's true. That game changed my life. :-\ No I'mma going to teh bed.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Fahrenheit on February 07, 2010, 02:33:32 AM
Castlevania: The Adventure. The remake for Wii is a whole other story, it pretty much has nothing to do with this game.
Castlevania: The Adventure has sluggish, unresponsive controls, way too quick jumping, and nearly unreachable platforms. I don't have a problem with anyone that likes it, because it is a classic game, but it's so terribly flawed and hard for me to play.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on February 07, 2010, 02:57:28 AM
Worst, eh? Well, I think we need a better definition of "Worst", but here are my categories.
Worst (Play Control, alternate versions COUNTED), in no particular order:
-Castlevania Legends - Although Sonia's overall movement is as good as Christopher's in his second game, what hurts her the most is the enemy placement. If you don't have an upwards attack, the designers should not have put vertically-moving enemies, like those ghosts/wraiths that come from above. Also, because of the low RAM of the GBC as well as Sonia's invincibility window, she ends up taking extra damage from enemies. I recall a particular part of the clocktower in which a ghost would come from above while I was at a rope and hit me. Because he hit me I slid down a rope just enough for the screen to scroll, but that also makes the same enemy respawn. Since my invincibility window isn't very long, you often would end up taking another hit from the same enemy at the same position, causing much frustration.
-Castlevania: The Adventure - First attempt at CV for Gameboy, ends up with Christopher moving quite slow, and not jumping very far. Although you can get used to this, it's annoying. Belmonts' Revenge fixes this by allowing you to jump a little further, and I think Christopher's walking speed was improved.
-Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance - Although Juste has the awesome dash function with the L and R buttons, his ridiculously slow 'floaty' jumps and his hilariously slow whipping make for a bad conbinations. This was fixed in Julius's controls, where he moves and jumps a lot faster, as well as whipping a lot faster. But Juste? He's slow. Thankfully most of the enemies in the game are also slow. You can really get messed up if you have to whip a fast-moving enemy in the air, though (Harpies and MedusaHeads at the clocktower come to mind).
-Castlevania (Amiga) - As you can see, Simon once again has very little control options, and most enemies move much much faster than he does. There's also screen-scrolling issues.
-Castlevania (PC-DOS) - Buggy controls, sometimes you go down a set of stairs and you end up DYING (instead of moving to the next screen).
-Vampire Killer (MSX) - they hadn't perfected the whipping hit detections. Simon moves way slower than most enemies. Picking up the boots helps, but they hadn't quite polished controls to the NES standard yet.
More categories to come later.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Reinhart77 on February 07, 2010, 04:01:37 AM
I wish that my cell phone let me download the "original" Castlevania game so I could properly compare it to Order of Shadows game. wonder how that holds up to the various PC versions, none of which I have played. played the demo for it, but not the same. it has a cool "subweapons only" mode that i'd love to try some time.
respawning vertical enemies in Legends was indeed a major pain.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: MeSako on February 07, 2010, 07:19:50 AM
-Castlevania (PC-DOS) - Buggy controls, sometimes you go down a set of stairs and you end up DYING (instead of moving to the next screen).
OMG!! I didn't know there was an Dos version.. and now that I see and hear it, I just wanna rip my ears of!! That sounded awful. Geez!!
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on February 07, 2010, 12:56:40 PM
Yeah, so before you guys complain about CV64, or Haunted Castle or anything, remember that there are far worse CV's out there. Again, that's only in terms of play control.
The Mobile version of Castlevania looks like it plays pretty well, and the stage layouts have been redesigned for the small screen, so Simon can actually trek through the castle. Pretty nice graphics, too:
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Reinhart77 on February 07, 2010, 02:24:00 PM
wonder if we'll ever get to play a version of Castlevania that has the Chronicles Simon Sprite like the third Japanese cell game.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Belmont Stakes on February 09, 2010, 01:55:48 PM
Why isn't Haunted Castle or MSX Vampire Killer in here? I have to vote for CV64. Simply put if you don't use Carrie then you jump like a Fairy (Reinhardt). Visually this game has Ricketts. It's not a bad game it's just drawn up that way. How Curse of Darkness is even close to being the worst game is baffling to me. It's not a great game by any stretch but it's still light years ahead of this pile of throw up. You disgust me!I'm not gonna hurt you, I'm not gonna hurt you.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Abnormal Freak on February 09, 2010, 06:43:31 PM
I love CV64. :P And I frankly find it absurd that you think COD is better.
There. We're even. :o
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: uzo on February 09, 2010, 08:26:05 PM
COD was way better. CV64 gets my vote. Atleast COD was playable.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Abnormal Freak on February 09, 2010, 08:52:18 PM
CV64 actually attempts to resemble a Castlevania game. COD and LOI have no relation whatsoever. It's my main criticism of the upcoming Lords of Shadow as well. Why did Castlevania turn into a hack and slash series?
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Profbeanburrito on February 10, 2010, 03:05:03 AM
CV64 actually attempts to resemble a Castlevania game. COD and LOI have no relation whatsoever. It's my main criticism of the upcoming Lords of Shadow as well. Why did Castlevania turn into a hack and slash series?
I would also like to know why CV was turned into hack and slash. It should always have equal parts of action, platforming and exploration, not just constant fighting
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Amduscias on February 11, 2010, 11:35:50 PM
I love 64! I understand bitching about glitches, but what 3D game back then didn't, I've never had any problems with any controls, the music is fantastic and really sets the mood. The level design is fun and I felt it was a great translation from the earlier 2D titles. I love that game, it's in my top 5 CV games.
But yes, I will give you the motorcycle skeletons. They are completely awful!
Dont say a thing about the motorcycle Skeleton!!! they are cool lol also they provide more ideas about Dracula and his pact with devil to provide to him and his minions some technology from the hell -the ideas of Renon and all that-
Well now imo the worst its Order of Shadows, but i would'nt count it as a game since it sux too much, so the next in the list is HoD, then is Shin Megami Pokevania (Curse of Dragness)
Why? HoD has awful sprite art for mid-smalls items, monsters, characters, bad music quality (not complaining about composition because some themes are cool) and the lv50+ almost impossible to level up... oh i almost forgot, too easy and the replay is really bad :S since u get the 200% of map and that, there is no much stuff to do except getting the tons of armors that are pretty useless
Well about CoD... the only thing of Castlevania on that game is the fact that it has a Dracula, an sad extra Belmont mode and a Castle... the rest is just a game with another white haired guy
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Mobius on February 12, 2010, 03:52:11 AM
Oh don't stop there, sir. Remember, Curse of Darkness had EVERY opportunity to improve upon and refine all of the shortcomings that plagued LoI (an altogether decent game in the series regardless). There was ample time and great resources at Konami's disposal to make a far better game for the next gen consoles the second time around. - - And CoD took multiple steps back. Terrible layout, flat graphics, forgettable music, chintzier play control, thinner story, lame characters, and a completely unoriginal gimmick (the ID system). People can slam the N 64 games and even the Game Boy titles for all of the afore mentioned reasons. The big difference is, at least those games were trying. CoD, when all's said and done, didn't even attempt to improve upon its experimental predecessor. That is just sad. The fact that it was meant to be a sequel to CV III of all things and ended up being a totally unrelated and thoroughly pointless gaiden outing in the grand scheme of things is simply the shit icing on the bland, stale lump of instant cake mix that is the final product.
As long as I'm chiming in here, let me just say that HoD was pretty forgettable as a whole, though fun for being a straight-up old school whip-toting romp through the castle. But the only reason it comes in as any real kind of failure is because, ultimately, all it really was attempting to do was emulate Symphony of the Night on a handheld. . . . And Circle of the friggin' Moon did a better job of that.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: JR on February 12, 2010, 08:57:39 AM
I know what my least favorites are, but I don't think they're the worst.
I hated CoD, replayed it (knowing full well what I was getting into), ended up liking it, then got really sick of it before I beat it again. It's one of the weaker games of the series, but not the worst.
I hated Adventure the first time, but then played that one again, too, and now I can appreciate it. Sure, it's not great, but I think it's more frustration than poor quality.
I'd say the worst one is probably Haunted Castle. I love that game, probably just because I never knew it existed as a kid, and the game is such a weird thing to me, but man, it's terrible. The music is great, but the game sucks in every other way. The machine should give you four quarters back for every one you put in.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Thunderbrand on February 13, 2010, 05:36:56 PM
Kinda surprised to see the 2 biggest vote-getters are the N64 games. I thought for sure the CV Adventure would be voted worst game by a landslide.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: sepet368 on February 16, 2010, 10:02:43 PM
Normally it would be a tough call for me to pick between Haunted Castle and Curse of Darkness...but since Haunted Castle isn't an option, that simplifies things. Well, I probably would have gone with CoD anyway. As bad as the arcade game was, at least the level design wasn't so bad it made me want to gouge out my eyes.
Why did Castlevania turn into a hack and slash series?
Because early last decade many game companies apparently realized that they could drastically cut production time and costs by having practically non-existent stages. And gamers/reviewers who look no further than the core gameplay mechanics would still praise their games based on the combat system alone, even if the games might as well have been taking place in a gigantic black void for all the effort they put into the areas. Of course, given how well the PS2 games were received by fans, it doesn't seem as if the Castlevania series is able to get away with that. Probably due to the fact that most of the early games in the series had superb level design.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: The Last Belmont on February 17, 2010, 06:21:18 AM
Worst, eh? Well, I think we need a better definition of "Worst", but here are my categories.
Worst (Play Control, alternate versions COUNTED), in no particular order:
-Castlevania (Amiga) - As you can see, Simon once again has very little control options, and most enemies move much much faster than he does. There's also screen-scrolling issues.
Yeah but I love that game. The music is so mesmerizing and the coloring is so unique.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: The Last Belmont on February 17, 2010, 06:39:54 AM
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Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: TreasuryRoom1984 on February 17, 2010, 05:34:01 PM
Castlevania 64 and Legacy of Darkness should just be considerd one because they are basically the same game!
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: SimonTheBarbarian on February 18, 2010, 01:53:59 AM
I don't know, the more I play Curse of Darkness the more I can understand people's gripe about it. When you think about how late in the franchise Curse of Darkness is, they did have a lot of opportunities to improve the flaws of previous titles, like how Symphony of the night took the style of Simon's Quest and really improved it. It does kind of bother me that castlevania has turned into a hack n' slash sort of series. For a 3D game I think castlevania should have resembled more of the medievil series especially for levels and the atmosphere. The music was great too and haunting.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Munchy on February 20, 2010, 08:30:20 PM
It's always hard for me to pick favorites and least favorites. I'm going with a tie between Adventure and CoD. Adventure was way too slow and glitchy to be much fun. CoD had more in common with Final Fight than with Castlevania. Now don't get me wrong, Final Fight has a place near and dear to my heart, but I expect something different from Castlevania. Also, the fact that they completely ignored complaints about the dull level design in LoI and, in turn, artificially lengthened the game by tripling the amount of boring hallways you needed to traverse, felt almost like a deliberate dickslap. I know, IGA has budget issues and all, but quality >>>> quantity.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Belmont Stakes on February 26, 2010, 03:50:44 AM
CV64 actually attempts to resemble a Castlevania game. COD and LOI have no relation whatsoever. It's my main criticism of the upcoming Lords of Shadow as well. Why did Castlevania turn into a hack and slash series?
Hack and slash is a fair argument. I agree with you on that. If they were to redo CV64 CV COD or do Resurrection with today's tech I would give pause and vote Haunted Castle or CVDracX. :P The problem is is that LOD came out not even a year after CV64 and it's the same game with two players added. Essentially, you have CV64 and CV64 Turbo Hyper Vamping Vampionship Edition II. Hence, LOD is the actual game that was what CV64 should have been. You get one try. The non Belmont character as the main player is also a non-issue (Alucard). COD is the attempt to port over the SOTN engine to 3D. There is not enough consequential platforming as someone in here once said. Hell why isn't Judgement used as a pin cushion in this poll. I can totally rip on that game. It's a good nay a great idea but it's really done piss fucking poorly. Mortal Kombat in Castlevania let it be done.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Abnormal Freak on February 26, 2010, 06:14:31 AM
I was fully in love with CV64 when that came out, so I was definitely excited for and pleased with LOD when it arrived. Not sure if you're aware, but it was actually being called Castlevania: Special Edition until I believe just a couple months before it was released.
And I still love both games. There are actually a good deal of things LOD doesn't have that are in CV64. Such as: voiceover narration for Reinhardt/Carrie's intro, Dracula speaking when you first run into him in Reinhardt/Carrie's mission (the audio is removed in LOD, and you just have the text), the first level of CV64 is completely revamped/redone for LOD (and it's been a few years since I've played both games back to back, but I seem to recall other level layout/design differences as well), and the special alternate outfits in CV64 are missing in LOD (Reinhardt in traditional Belmont armor, Carrie in a dress akin to Maria's in Rondo of Blood—and when you slide, you can see she's wearing white cotton panties!), and other little details like that.
I agree that LOD should have been what was released originally, but I'm also intrigued by having two different games and spotting the differences. Now if only the N64 could run games in 640x480 resolution much smoother. It feels like such a tease to have the 4MB Expanion Pak option for sharp graphics, but have it be practically worthless because the framerate is so incredibly low. The same things plagues all such games I've played that used the Expansion Pak for higher resolution (Hybrid Heaven, Rayman 2: The Great Escape, and I believe Perfect Dark had the option to use it in that manner in addition to being necessary for the single player mode).
Actually, I believe Quake II used the Expansion Pak for higher res and richer color and lighting (it's one of the most technically proficient N64 games I've seen), and it runs quite smoothly. So I guess it depends on how well the programmers utilize it.
I'm rambling.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Felix on March 27, 2010, 10:28:01 AM
I'd have Legends as the worst, mainly because the unfair enemy placement and the shitty Artificial Intelligence... or better said, Artificial Stupidity (no pun intended).
P.S.: What the hell is so bad with The Adventure and Dracula X?
Don't get me started on Dracula XX/Vampire's Kiss, because I love that game. Better than Rondo, I think, as it's more focused, more challenging, and has a better visual & musical atmosphere.
This. The reason it gets a bad rap it's because it's not Rondo and you can't play as Maria.
Sorry guys, but I'm not wussy enough to demeean myself by playing as a lil' girl that uses cute animals as weapons.
A few more comments: CotM had a classic CV feel and challenge to it even as it took the Castleroid route and was the first experimental outing on GBA. CotM just might be the best GBA or DS Castlevania overall. PoR was repetitive and goofy at times, but I found it a fresher experience than DoS, which was like an expansion pack of AoS.
Die, monster. You don't belong in this world!
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: VGuyver on March 28, 2010, 10:08:35 PM
Wanted to vote for Haunted Castle.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Neverafter on March 28, 2010, 11:00:20 PM
This is more like most hated game in the series.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Kale on March 28, 2010, 11:32:28 PM
Typically, the worst game in a series is the most hated game in the series because it's the worst game in the series.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: VGuyver on March 29, 2010, 04:02:55 AM
I'm sorry, let e specify why Haunted Castle was my worst experience. It's frekain hard and wont let you continue where you left off even with all the quarters in the world there to tempt the machine... a shame considering it wold of been a great game without that one horribly frustrating flaw.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on March 29, 2010, 04:23:22 AM
clearly Castlevania Judgement is the worst in the series
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: olroxshade on March 29, 2010, 01:49:17 PM
Imo, there's no a "worst game" in Castlevania, only are one with less features than others...
And the one with the least... is the worst. The existence of a worst cannot be refuted. It is not an opinion. There has to be a worst. The worst itself could be debated, and some opinion does play into it, but it is also based heavily on facts.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Abnormal Freak on March 29, 2010, 08:14:07 PM
Edit: Ah, forget this post.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Tavis Belmont on March 29, 2010, 09:21:19 PM
I signed up to this forum just to respond to this. Sad, huh? Anyhow, when I think of Castlevania, I think of playability. Therefore, I think Legends takes the trophy for "Worst Castlevania".
There are many reasons. The AI, as stated earlier, is pretty bad. The music isn't horrible, but it isn't stellar. Sonia's walking speed almost forced me to stop playing the game after stage one. Her whip length is pretty dang short (go ahead and insert your puns) compared to previous Castlevanias. The lack of the standard sub-weapons bothered me, even though it was explained why you didn't get to use them. Overall, the game just felt lacking to me.
Curse of Darkness wasn't too bad. Trevor Mode felt more streamlined to me, but Hector was fun to play. Maybe I didn't mind this or Lament of Innocence because I play a lot of Samurai Warriors.
Story is important, but I don't expect masterpieces from Castlevania. I do expect good music and solid gameplay. And this is why, to me, Legends gets the award for worst in the series.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: crims0nf0rtune on March 30, 2010, 11:30:02 PM
Sorry guys, but I'm not wussy enough to demeean myself by playing as a lil' girl that uses cute animals as weapons.
Also, more colors.
Ahem, what? Unless your idea of colors is a bunch of shades of grey, Rondo is by far the more colorful of the two... something I actually do when playing Drac X on my tv is turn the brightness down and the color up (It actually makes it look more like Rondo hahaha). Also, Richter's animation for walking is too fast. Play the game after playing Rondo and you'll notice it looks like hes walking on ice... too fast of steps with too little ground covered. Anyway, Drac X is still a good game, but I honestly don't see how anyone could prefer it to Rondo.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: X on March 31, 2010, 04:05:01 AM
Actually Richter's walking speed is more natural in Dracula X then in rondo or SotN. The trick to spotting this is to watch his feet moving along with the speed of the ground passing under him. In Rondo and SotN, he walks slower and you can see his feet, while connected to the ground, will slide along the ground. Yes being a sprite artist can be bothersome at times...but it's all fun too.
-X
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Felix on April 04, 2010, 03:42:09 PM
Also, I feel Richter's taller in Dracula X. In Rondo, he's barely 1mm taller than NES Simon. Also, the music is better.
Rondo Dracula X Opposite Bloodlines < Opposite Bloodlines Vampire Killer < Vampire Killer Bloody Tears = Bloody Tears Cementery < Cementery Pic of a Ghost Ship < Pic of a Ghost Ship Slash = Slash Begining <<<<<<<< Begining The Den << The Den
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: shelverton. on April 04, 2010, 07:54:53 PM
Vampire's Kiss is a mediocre Castlevania IMO, not because it's "not Rondo" - I didn't even know about Rondo back in 1995 - but because it was released as a sequel to Super Castlevania 4 on the SNES (som magazines even called it Castlevania 5). Compared to CV4 it's very primitive both in terms of level design, graphics, music and gameplay. My initial impression of Vampire's Kiss was that it felt rushed, looked ugly and lacked the atmosphere found in CV4. Had it been released BEFORE CV4 I would've probably liked it more cause it feels more like a natural follow-up to the NES games. In many ways it's actually more faithful to the NES roots than CV4. Which wasn't the greastest thing back in the day. I wanted spectacular graphics, huge sprites and gimmicky MODE 7 awesomeness. We all wanted that.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Felix on April 04, 2010, 08:47:49 PM
Stage 4 and 6 had Mode 7.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: uzo on April 05, 2010, 12:15:33 AM
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: uzo on April 05, 2010, 02:19:34 AM
For future reference; the screen size to character size ratio is also an invalid argument, seeing as the resolutions are the same for both games. In no way is it possible that Richter could appear to be different between the versions, much less just a hair taller than CV1 Simon, when played on the same display at full screen.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: ReinhardtSchneider on August 25, 2010, 02:53:49 PM
I voted for Rondo of Blood. I have yet to play a few of the titles, but of the ones I've played Rondo was the least enjoyable. I can't describe why exactly but it came off as odd. I even enjoyed CV64 more. The one thing about this poll I don't get is why is Curse of Darkness the least liked entry in the series? I actually never played it, but it doesn't seem that bad. I would like to play it eventually.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: e105beta on August 25, 2010, 03:01:17 PM
I voted for Rondo of Blood. I have yet to play a few of the titles, but of the ones I've played Rondo was the least enjoyable. I can't describe why exactly but it came off as odd. I even enjoyed CV64 more. The one thing about this poll I don't get is why is Curse of Darkness the least liked entry in the series? I actually never played it, but it doesn't seem that bad. I would like to play it eventually.
Are you sure you're not talking about Dracula X?
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: corneliab on August 25, 2010, 04:30:00 PM
The one thing about this poll I don't get is why is Curse of Darkness the least liked entry in the series? I actually never played it, but it doesn't seem that bad. I would like to play it eventually.
Curse of Darkness has absolutely dismal level design, probably even the worst in the series. Level design is definitely the most important thing to me in this franchise, so I can certainly understand people voting for the game.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: ReinhardtSchneider on August 25, 2010, 05:35:23 PM
Nope, Rondo of Blood. The one available on Wii's Virtual Console. I don't know why it just didn't click for me. Never played Dracula X or Curse of Darkness. Curse of Darkness looks awesome, but it seems to be the least popular game. But I'm still going to get it.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Sumac on August 25, 2010, 05:38:12 PM
Voted for Harmony of Dissonance. Ugly graphics with horrible palette. Disjointed and repetetive music. Boring gameplay with non-existent difficulty. Last two bosses are practically cakewalk, like Rondo's Dracula. Dracula last form is WTF? Seems this game was made as rip-off Symphony of the Night, but took everything that was wrong with SOTN and upped it to 11. And story felt like it was retelling of Circle of the Moon, but with trademark IGA twist.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: shelverton. on August 25, 2010, 05:46:40 PM
Curse of Darkness has absolutely dismal level design, probably even the worst in the series.
This.
However, the soundtrack alone made it almost worth playing CoD. One of my favourites ever. Though I prefer to listen to the music outside of the actual game. It is soooo loooong and boring. And samey. And slow.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Innovator on August 25, 2010, 07:45:57 PM
Personally, I can't vote.
There is no "worst" game in my view. But many poor games without "worst". You know already which games I'm thinking.
:D
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: ReinhardtSchneider on August 29, 2010, 03:55:51 AM
However, the soundtrack alone made it almost worth playing CoD. One of my favourites ever. Though I prefer to listen to the music outside of the actual game. It is soooo loooong and boring. And samey. And slow.
I just picked up Curse of Darkness the other day.... and I agree. The game is kind of boring, the gameplay is somewhat fun, but the soundtrack is where it really shines! It has one of the best soundtracks in Castlevania history in my opinion. I was really pumped to play this, too. Oh well. I still wouldn't say this is the worst game. I still never liked Rondo of Blood. I don't know why, I just really don't like it.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: RegalX7 on August 29, 2010, 07:57:41 AM
I still think Lament Of Innocence has worse design, despite short platforming puzzles once in a blue moon. At least in Curse Of Darkness, rooms were more than two shapes, and areas didn't look identical to one another (marble tile). Even still, I voted for Legends. I didn't like it at all.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Donvermicelli on August 29, 2010, 04:34:14 PM
I never expected to see that many votes for Curse of Darkness and Legends, Curse of Darkness had boring repetitive level designs ok. But was it really that bad? the controls weren't terrible, the soundtrack was awesome and story was somewhat original. I was also shocked that I was the first who voted for Dawn of Sorrow, in my eyes the biggest failure in the franchise after Order of Shadows, Dawn was simply 90% recycled sprites from AoS, The Abysmal anime art that couldn't be worse(nothing against anime here but it simply isn't castlevania) The story was just as much a rerun of the good old damsel in distress combined with the fact that he was actually Dracula incarnate(this was original in AoS). The horrible Hammer crush(I mean how old is this guy?) The genius first stage (this was really the worst intro I have EVER seen in a game) and last but not least Alucard having to change clothes and dye his hair to regain his power? (come on here really...) And besides the horrible controls, cv64 it wasn't that bad now was it? A good story, reasonable difficulty and the most awesome killer fish ever. Oh well I guess everyone has his preferences.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on August 29, 2010, 05:39:02 PM
I put Harmony of Dissonance and Curse of Darkness at the bottom. Although, to be fair, the worst Castlevania games are still decent games, in the grand scope of things.
I can't even play CoD for very long without falling asleep at the controller.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Donvermicelli on August 29, 2010, 06:26:06 PM
I put Harmony of Dissonance and Curse of Darkness at the bottom. Although, to be fair, the worst Castlevania games are still decent games, in the grand scope of things.
I can't even play CoD for very long without falling asleep at the controller.
True it was pretty boring for a Castlevania game, but I liked the fact that different weapons actually meant different ways to attack, unlike SoTN where Alucard basically swung almost any weapon in the same manner with a few exceptions.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: e105beta on August 29, 2010, 06:27:05 PM
I was also shocked that I was the first who voted for Dawn of Sorrow, in my eyes the biggest failure in the franchise after Order of Shadows.
Wow.. I loved Dawn of Sorrow. My favourite side scroller on the DS actually. Well well... whaddayaknow.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Artanis on August 29, 2010, 09:30:37 PM
Curse of Darkness and Haunted Castle in my book.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: RegalX7 on August 30, 2010, 05:18:03 AM
I'd like to point out I never played Order Of Shadows. I'm sure if I ever do, I'll wish I never voted for Legends, but until then...
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Sumac on August 30, 2010, 04:52:57 PM
RegalX7, if anything OOS have decent music..sometimes. And I liked the idea that villain somehow manage to kill a Belmont.
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I can't even play CoD for very long without falling asleep at the controller.
That was my main problem in the HOD, LOI and second castle in Symphony. Sleep inducing games they are... :-\
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Mystic Myotis on August 31, 2010, 11:28:34 AM
Order of Shadows, I guess.
I'm a bit surprised at the amount of hate CoD and LoI are getting. LoI's biggest flaw by far was the recycling of room designs. The actual layout wasn't bad at all if you take some time to think about it all. But I may be biased as I took the time to write a guide for that game... Let's face it; these two games aren't award winners by any means but they aren't abysmal. It's not like your weapon doesn't hit the monster out of some shitty programming problem in those games. It's not like you fall too far off of a ledge to a lower part in the same 'screen' and die in those games.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: GummiCandyful on August 31, 2010, 07:06:25 PM
I'm a bit surprised at the amount of hate CoD and LoI are getting. LoI's biggest flaw by far was the recycling of room designs. The actual layout wasn't bad at all if you take some time to think about it all. But I may be biased as I took the time to write a guide for that game... Let's face it; these two games aren't award winners by any means but they aren't abysmal. It's not like your weapon doesn't hit the monster out of some shitty programming problem in those games. It's not like you fall too far off of a ledge to a lower part in the same 'screen' and die in those games.
Agreed. I mean, I know those games have some pretty lazy level design, but it's not like they're unplayable/have poor graphics/horrible controls. I honestly thought people would rank either Order of Shadows or Portrait of Ruin as the worst, but the two PS2 games? Also, where in the bloody Hell is Judgement? If anything, I consider that to be the worst game in the series, not CoD.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: crisis on August 31, 2010, 07:21:57 PM
I don't hate the ps2 games at all, they're average at best. But I think the general dislike of Curse of Darkness stems from the fact that the designers totally dropped the ball on it. Throughout the years, the consensus seems to be that people feel it actually takes a step or 2 back from what LoI did, instead of improving upon it. Also, it didn't live up to the glorious legacy of CVIII at all.
It had everything going for it, decent plot, good music, good artwork, but it still failed where it counts most. Even IGA agrees that he hadn't succeeded in that department.
In the grand scope of things, though, there are WAY more shittier games than CoD.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: X on September 03, 2010, 05:18:45 AM
I'm a bit surprised at the amount of hate CoD and LoI are getting.
I only hat LoI for it's story. A major contradiction to what was already established and then, screwing it all up. It wasn't a bad game and some of the music is kinda catchy. But the whole Mathias/Dracula bit killed it for me and any faith I once had in IGA.
-X
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Mobius on September 03, 2010, 11:02:54 PM
I can't say there is a CV game I actually hate. Just very disappointed with certain titles. Chief among them CoD. I don't hate it though. I just think it really was a title that's sorely lacking in every aspect of Castlevania tradition. Lament, on the other hand I still enjoyed. Really, it was a fun little 3D hybrid and the origin story at least was different enough that I could recognize the game's aspirations. I mean come on, giving the series a definitive chronology and an established beginning is no small task. And Dracula in fact being (another in a long line of) a former friend who betrays the protagonist is hardly any worse than yet another Belmont descendent called upon to put down the lord of darkness yet again for the umpteenth time. The musical score, I have often said before, is epic and the pinnacle of original CV music IMO. But the replay factor is really non-existent. Once it's all over with and done, there's very little reason to go back.
P.S. I'm with Reiko. Judgment is pretty bloody crap-tacular. As an entry. I really view it as a failed experiment. - A pretty interesting foundation upon which nothing of real substance was built.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: shelverton. on September 03, 2010, 11:59:25 PM
Having recently played through both Order of Shadows and the cellphone version of Aria of Sorrow, I can honestly say that these two are the worst experiences I've had with the series so far. Though at the same time I don't think it's fair to compare them to the other games, but if you want to play the most butchered and unnecessary version of Aria of Sorrow you can possibly imagine, by all means go ahead. It's almost as if Konami gave up halfway through and said "Let's wrap this up now, I wanna go home. Just cut everything you can - most of the areas, music, bosses - and release the game already.". Order of Shadow takes the cake however. It's an original game which manages to be more primitive than Castlevania Adventure. The stage 1 tune is cool though, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: narkolepsi on September 05, 2010, 07:30:12 PM
I enjoyed Portrait of Ruin. I don't understand the hate, really. The anime style had to go (even the art style on the soundtrack poster would've been nice) and the story could have been elaborated upon a lot. It's still a decent platformer in its own respect, but I don't see how it could possibly try to be a sequel to Bloodlines, which blows Portrait out of the water when it comes to that whole "wartime Castlevania" vibe (and Castlevania, period.) Can't get the HoD hate either, I'm playing it now and I think it's great.
(I know I have a Loretta avatar...I just love that character :P)
I don't want to gripe about Adventure. Sentimental value, I guess, because it was the first game that I played in the series. Though I will admit that Christopher moves waaaaay too slowly.
And honestly, Legends was a good idea in theory, but not in execution. Nothing to write home about, but it had potential. Mostly wasted potential, but eh. I didn't walk away from it feeling disgusted, but I didn't feel satisfied, the normal reaction when I play a Castlevania (a good one, anyway.)
In the end though, Curse of Darkness. Though it did have beautiful art, the familiar system was gimmicky, the characters and situations were awkward, and the camera actually made me sick. :X A classic case of coulda-woulda-shoulda-didn't.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Aridale on September 06, 2010, 01:19:51 AM
wow 2 ppl actually voted for CV2... fuck you guys whoever you are =D
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Kale on September 06, 2010, 02:30:07 AM
Well, there were an incredible amount of crap in that game... and I mean it in a derogatory term.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: shelverton. on September 06, 2010, 03:05:25 AM
For me, Simon's Quest is somewhere in the middle - not the worst but certainly not the best either. It had truckloads of potential though. The music is incredible (though there aren't that many tracks really), the atmosphere is unparalleled in the franchise (except for Super Castlevania 4 which blows every other game out of the water) and the structure of the game world is somehing that I would like to see again. Order of Ecclesia tried something similar, but ultimately the areas felt disconnected...
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: The Silverlord on September 06, 2010, 10:46:59 AM
I don't understand the hate, really. [Portrait of Ruin]
I think I said at the time after its release that if you came into the series with this game, or come to it fresh, you'd absolutely love it. Technically it is very good and it's visually impressive.
I think for me though it was just a Castleroid too many, it felt like going through the motions, there was an auto-pilot feel playing it, if that makes any sense? That's maybe more to do with my mindset than the game being poor to be honest, however all the room and platform structures seemed essentially the same, go right, jump up there, go left, jump up there, next room do the same, etc. It felt monotonous, bland, and lacking in charisma. The game is colourful enough to look at, a lot of work had gone in there, they’d even tried the odd set piece and such (e.g. rolling boulders), but it was without any real substance. The dual hero system was a gimmick I didn’t appreciate, with cheesy dialogue and indulgent combo set-pieces. The Wind fetch quests I actually did welcome as an attempt to mix things up and get the brain thinking—it marked a change from the Castleroid norm.
There are people who claim Lords of Shadow is not a Castlevania game, or at best uses superficial references. I would argue that to date Portrait has deviated just about as far from Castlevania as we know it as any other entry in the series I’ve played. A watered-down anime/kiddie style, naive characters, alien locales like the Egyptian pyramids, abysmal level-design and just a mediocre feel overall which did not evoke an atmosphere or anything of gothic horror.
Order of Ecclesia was much improved in terms of its darker setting. I agree it did feel disconnected, I don't think that map screen did it any really favours. It could have done with some imagery in-between, or something akin to Dracula's Curse with the choice of direction, not sure though.
Should also say, I haven’t played Curse of Darkness, Judgement or Order of Shadows or either may have taken my vote.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: narkolepsi on September 06, 2010, 03:40:55 PM
I think I said at the time after its release that if you came into the series with this game, or come to it fresh, you'd absolutely love it. Technically it is very good and it's visually impressive.
I think for me though it was just a Castleroid too many, it felt like going through the motions, there was an auto-pilot feel playing it, if that makes any sense? That's maybe more to do with my mindset than the game being poor to be honest, however all the room and platform structures seemed essentially the same, go right, jump up there, go left, jump up there, next room do the same, etc. It felt monotonous, bland, and lacking in charisma. The game is colourful enough to look at, a lot of work had gone in there, they’d even tried the odd set piece and such (e.g. rolling boulders), but it was without any real substance. The dual hero system was a gimmick I didn’t appreciate, with cheesy dialogue and indulgent combo set-pieces. The Wind fetch quests I actually did welcome as an attempt to mix things up and get the brain thinking—it marked a change from the Castleroid norm.
I completely understand what you're saying. I'm not exactly a neophyte to the series, but I haven't been with it from the beginning (Order of Ecclesia was my first bought game, but I played The Adventure 7-8 years prior.) Since I got hardcore into the series with Order of Ecclesia, I got used to the DS games, but I was able to find pure gold in the old-school entries, the way it was meant to be (IMO.)
Portrait was my 3rd game (I'm working backwards) so I'm honestly more used to metroidvanias/castleroids - however, I'm trying to break the habit by going to the old-school consoles (currently: Bloodlines.) As a stand-alone game it's very good, but the more I think about it, as a Castlevania, it's a little awkward, forcing itself into the atmosphere. As the 20th-anniversary entry, it could have been more. I don't consider it the worst CV ever though, like a few apparently do; the gameplay engaged me enough and I thought Stella and Loretta were awesome. **is shot**
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There are people who claim Lords of Shadow is not a Castlevania game, or at best uses superficial references. I would argue that to date Portrait has deviated just about as far from Castlevania as we know it as any other entry in the series I’ve played. A watered-down anime/kiddie style, naive characters, alien locales like the Egyptian pyramids, abysmal level-design and just a mediocre feel overall which did not evoke an atmosphere or anything of gothic horror.
Order of Ecclesia was much improved in terms of its darker setting. I agree it did feel disconnected, I don't think that map screen did it any really favours. It could have done with some imagery in-between, or something akin to Dracula's Curse with the choice of direction, not sure though.
I agree with you there too. The "accessible" Castlevania didn't do it for me, not in Dawn nor in Portrait. I did not like the Egyptian stages either, I thought they were totally out of context. Some stages were okay. 13th Street with Iron Blue Intention playing in the background...yeah! But two identical pyramid stages, two identical circus stages...that's a little much. The flaws in Portrait's level design weren't as apparent in the beginning. I'm on my second playthrough, currently at 999.5%, and the more I play it the more I see similarities at the level designs. (Burnt Paradise is the City of Fools! 13th Street is the City of Haze! Dark Academy is the Forest of Doom!...etc...etc..)
I don't like what happened to Wind/Eric in Portrait. The more I play Bloodlines, the sadder I get about Eric in Portrait. His quests were great though, and that one quest with the statue's tear was just awesome in terms of atmosphere. When that statue started bleeding I crapped bricks.
And I loved OoE, especially in relation to Portrait now that I think about it, because of that darker feel it has.
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Now the inevitable Judgment comment...it isn't all that great. It's a good way to kill a half-hour but then I feel compelled to play something else. As a fighter it's a little awkward, but as a Castlevania it's WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN. I've taken a liking to recreating the characters in Soul Calibur IV (wearing approximations of their original attire, sans crap character designs) and fighting with them...that's way more fun than Judgment in itself.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: GummiCandyful on September 06, 2010, 08:27:58 PM
Should also say, I haven’t played Curse of Darkness, Judgement or Order of Shadows or either may have taken my vote.
If you ever get a chance to play one of those two games, I would recommend CoD, because despite some of its flaws, it is stil 324567989765654 times better than Judgement.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 06, 2010, 10:06:09 PM
Eh, Judgment isn't that bad. I go back to it from time to time, and I have recreated some of their characters in Brawl... >_>
But I think 'most' of the crap Judgment gets is because of the super-supers and the artwork. Really, if the characters looked like their original counterparts, the game probably wouldn't get as much of a problem. It's certainly easier to play than SoulCalibur (I play it more than I do SoulCalibur IV, even though SCIV is a sexier game **winkwinknudgenudge**), but, like IGA's most recent Castlevanias, it's always falling short. A little platforming here, a little panache there, and it could've made it. I certainly enjoy a good bout inside the Clock Tower and at the Castle Gate (lol water snake kill). :P It also does give you a nod to a lot of the other games, so it does try. And the music kicks a lot of ass.
I haven't voted, but my least faves in terms of how boring they are as I play, are CoD and HoD.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Thomas Belmont on September 06, 2010, 11:36:10 PM
Eh, Judgment isn't that bad. I go back to it from time to time, and I have recreated some of their characters in Brawl... >_>
But I think 'most' of the crap Judgment gets is because of the super-supers and the artwork. Really, if the characters looked like their original counterparts, the game probably wouldn't get as much of a problem. It's certainly easier to play than SoulCalibur (I play it more than I do SoulCalibur IV, even though SCIV is a sexier game **winkwinknudgenudge**), but, like IGA's most recent Castlevanias, it's always falling short. A little platforming here, a little panache there, and it could've made it. I certainly enjoy a good bout inside the Clock Tower and at the Castle Gate (lol water snake kill). :P It also does give you a nod to a lot of the other games, so it does try. And the music kicks a lot of ass.
I haven't voted, but my least faves in terms of how boring they are as I play, are CoD and HoD.
Yes, Soul Calibur IV is a very awesome game, even though I dislike the Tower of Lost Souls mode, compared to SCII's Edge Master mode, but the customization is my favorite part of that game. :)
When you speak of HoD, do you mean Despair or Dissonance? No matter which one it is, I'm always hearing bad things about both. LOL.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 07, 2010, 02:00:13 AM
For me HoD is Harmony of Dissonance (the one with Juste, for GBA). For me HD is Harmony of Despair (only because, coincidentally, it's the only one in HD so far).
Hope that clears that up. Seems to be what other people are using as well.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Innovator on September 08, 2010, 09:37:24 PM
For me HoD is Harmony of Dissonance (the one with Juste, for GBA). For me HD is Harmony of Despair (only because, coincidentally, it's the only one in HD so far). Hope that clears that up. Seems to be what other people are using as well.
Thanks for the precisons Jorge.
But both HD and HoD are poor games which are named Castlevania but aren't not Castlevania. (at least HoD is a good game but completely cut off Castlevania's roots)
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: GummiCandyful on September 08, 2010, 10:10:37 PM
For me HoD is Harmony of Dissonance (the one with Juste, for GBA). For me HD is Harmony of Despair (only because, coincidentally, it's the only one in HD so far).
Hope that clears that up. Seems to be what other people are using as well.
I see. Thanks for clearing that up. :) Anyway, was it Juste's hidden love for interior decorating that made you dislike the game? Or is that one of the many problems? LOL.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: crisis on September 08, 2010, 10:17:35 PM
Quote from: Innovator
(at least HoD is a good game but completely cut off Castlevania's roots)
It features Simon Belmont, even including his original sprite. That alone is enough to call it Castlevania.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: thernz on September 08, 2010, 10:20:10 PM
It features Simon Belmont, even including his original sprite. That alone is enough to call it Castlevania.
An in/game sentence about Simon or Christopher means nothing. The game is very easy, made for children only, with a merchant who is decreasing the game difficulty even more, it has worse musics and themes than original NES made 16 years sooner (!!!!), it has a poor and predictable storyline, it has a Belmont who looks like a vampire (Alucard copycat just to make the game better sales), copycat SOTN system with both stupid castles, copycat SOTN system with teleports and save room which are refilling all the Character's health, etc etc...
Dracula is looking a stupid monster and there is no replay value at all in this boring game. Controls are not too-good as dashing doesn't mean longer jumps for example, really a bad Castlevania.
But the graphics are pretty cool...that's all really.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: thernz on September 08, 2010, 10:30:28 PM
If we're talking about the worst game, I would give it to Haunted Castle. The controls are clunky, the graphics are garish, and the difficulty has an arcade coin-gobbling mentality. But despite that, it's still great. The environments, while poorly drawn, have a richness to them. You can see an actual effort to create this stark atmosphere from the bizarre gory enemies, cackling spirits, and building that shoots out bricks or something. There's a number of gimmicks from rain to fog. The game is full of neat ideas. And on a major plus, the soundtrack is just beautiful. It was also a great reminder of the uncertain youth the series was back then. Simon sported a myriad of weapons and he had a love interest. The game is just impeccably bizarre and a treat to explore despite its technical flaws.
also why is innovator implying that the nes games have horrible music just because they are old harmony of dissonance would not work with "real-sounding" instruments. hokkai utilized these sounds on purpose to create a strange contrast with the imaginatively complex structure of the songs. While seeming technically inferior with its instruments, the compositions had a number of techniques used that have rarely been used to great effect in any other soundtrack even outside of castlevania. it was an intentional and eclectic mix.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Innovator on September 08, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
i am editting this post to be of use please be paitent.
No prob dude. I have to leave my house for now, I'll read it when I'll come back.
:D
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: crisis on September 08, 2010, 10:34:31 PM
Quote from: Innovator
An in/game sentence about Simon or Christopher means nothing. The game is very easy, made for children only, with a merchant who is decreasing the game difficulty even more, it has worse musics and themes than original NES made 16 years sooner (!!!!), it has a poor and predictable storyline, it has a Belmont who looks like a vampire (Alucard copycat just to make the game better sales), copycat SOTN system with both stupid castles, copycat SOTN system with teleports and save room which are refilling all the Character's health, etc etc...
Dracula is looking a stupid monster and there is no replay value at all in this boring game. Controls are not too-good as dashing doesn't mean longer jumps for example, really a bad Castlevania.
But the graphics are pretty cool...that's all really.
If you knew anything you'd know Simon is a PLAYABLE CHARACTER. Chris is referenced in the Japanese version.
The way you complain about HoD makes YOU seem like a little kid. Geez..
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 08, 2010, 11:29:45 PM
I do love some Boss Rush with Grandpappy Simon and his three-frame walk! :3
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Sumac on September 09, 2010, 10:34:13 PM
I personally couldn't think about Haunted Castle as a bad game. Well, it's nearly unplayable in later levels. And there is idiotic decision to give player only three lives or one live with big lifebar.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Ahasverus on September 10, 2010, 01:38:51 AM
Someone marked Symphony of the Night? Seriously? :-\
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: crisis on September 10, 2010, 01:49:07 AM
Perhaps Symphony of the Night was a gift AND a curse...
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: thernz on September 10, 2010, 02:56:45 AM
I wouldn't really fault the game for what's happened. That's just silly. This game is great, but because of it, a bunch of awful games came out, therefore it is awful.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Donvermicelli on September 10, 2010, 08:09:21 PM
I find it funny that two of the games that I liked most are 2nd and 3rd place on this poll ;D
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: TheForthcoming01 on September 11, 2010, 04:45:24 AM
I am new to the series but imo the worst game would probably be C64, Cotm or Castlevania II (See AVGN and his review of Simon's Quest below)
CASTLEVANIA 2: SIMON's QUEST by the Angry Nintendo Nerd - Cinemassacre.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4we8iFk-fY#)
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Sumac on September 12, 2010, 01:08:50 AM
TheForthcoming01, no offense, but basing your opinion on the video by guy who purposely mocks games and exagerate all their shortcomings is not a good idea. As for your list CV2, CV64 and COTM amongst my favorite games in the series. And I consider them to be one of the best throughout the series.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Artanis on September 13, 2010, 02:54:32 PM
I am new to the series but imo the worst game would probably be C64, Cotm or Castlevania II (See AVGN and his review of Simon's Quest below)
CASTLEVANIA 2: SIMON's QUEST by the Angry Nintendo Nerd - Cinemassacre.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4we8iFk-fY#)
Here's more AVGN coverage of Simon's Quest: Angry Video Game Nerd: Castlevania Part II - ScrewAttack (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/angry-video-screwattack/57923)
He's spot on about this game's flaws.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: X on September 13, 2010, 04:47:00 PM
I really like the reviews that The Angry Video Game Nerd does. He doesn't dick around and he goes straight for the gusto. He's not afraid to voice his opinion about the game/movie/console that's he's reviewing. Also his sense of humor and movie-esque gags make it all the more enjoyable to watch. There were some game that I like that he pissed about but it was done in such a way that I didn't mind at all. I hope he does more.
-X
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: JR on September 19, 2010, 07:38:07 AM
If we're talking about the worst game, I would give it to Haunted Castle. The controls are clunky, the graphics are garish, and the difficulty has an arcade coin-gobbling mentality. But despite that, it's still great. The environments, while poorly drawn, have a richness to them. You can see an actual effort to create this stark atmosphere from the bizarre gory enemies, cackling spirits, and building that shoots out bricks or something. There's a number of gimmicks from rain to fog. The game is full of neat ideas. And on a major plus, the soundtrack is just beautiful. It was also a great reminder of the uncertain youth the series was back then. Simon sported a myriad of weapons and he had a love interest. The game is just impeccably bizarre and a treat to explore despite its technical flaws.
Totally agree with all points made. The game had some arcade charm to it, and being such an oddity in the series definitely added to this. It's a game you can't put down out of sheer curiosity...you HAVE to see what the next stage/boss looks like.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Sumac on September 19, 2010, 05:04:46 PM
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It's a game you can't put down out of sheer curiosity...you HAVE to see what the next stage/boss looks like.
That's exactly why I was interested to play this game till the end. This and awesome soundtrack.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Bloodreign on September 19, 2010, 10:11:14 PM
To those who go by AVGN's word as gospel, it's parody, the guy doesn't hate the game at all. Simon's Quest may have had it's flaws, but by no means is it a bad game.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Artanis on September 19, 2010, 10:24:35 PM
To those who go by AVGN's word as gospel, it's parody, the guy doesn't hate the game at all. Simon's Quest may have had it's flaws, but by no means is it a bad game.
We know that.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: AwkwardGamer on September 20, 2010, 12:31:18 AM
I went for Circle of the Moon, the character is walking for the whole game, I wouldn't be walking if I had monsters on my trail. Castlevania 64 wasn't really good either, the 3D idea wasn't pulled off as well as we all expected.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: uzo on September 20, 2010, 12:45:50 AM
I went for Circle of the Moon, the character is walking for the whole game, I wouldn't be walking if I had monsters on my trail. Castlevania 64 wasn't really good either, the 3D idea wasn't pulled off as well as we all expected.
You must have stopped playing after 5 minutes then.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: AwkwardGamer on September 20, 2010, 01:02:21 AM
I still played Circle of the Moon, the worst of the games still isn't necessarily bad, it was playable. I enjoyed it, but not as much as the other CVs, if you know what I mean >_<
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: uzo on September 20, 2010, 01:05:15 AM
And you didn't notice the run boots you get about 5 minutes in?
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: AwkwardGamer on September 20, 2010, 01:10:31 AM
Well, my impressions on the game are usually based on the beginning of the game, which is rather slow, but my opinion may be a bit biased, since I'm a kid :P
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: thernz on September 20, 2010, 01:15:07 AM
Though you have to admit it's pretty damn clunky having to double tap to get anywhere. My whole issue with CoTM was more with how the DSS system was designed though. Card drops being rare, and the player not being sure what monsters even dropped them, having to find out the ability even if it meant getting hit, etc. I also thought it was one of the more visually bland games of the series with all its... bricks. Wasn't fond of all the hallways and general level design in the game either.
On the bright side, it had some really impressive bosses like the Dragon Zombies. Then there were some neat relics like the wall jump. Also, all the original tracks on the soundtrack were just perfect. I really dug its darker atmosphere despite it probably being due to the palette than the actual backgrounds themselves and how it made the castle feel so huge not just by graphical scale but sound as well. Plus I actually really liked the Clock Tower, and the enemies were actually formidable unlike the later titles where the enemies increasingly became just... there.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: AwkwardGamer on September 20, 2010, 01:43:30 AM
I think of CotM as a 2D Curse of Darkness, the level design is bland and I'm pretty sure Hector walks or jogs his way around Valachia too :P
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Jorge D. Fuentes on September 20, 2010, 01:45:20 AM
I loved how in CotM the enemies were actually quite... dangerous! Probably because Nathan doesn't get to become 'uber'. The Battle Arena is a great (albeit painful) reminder of this.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Vatican29 on September 22, 2010, 01:28:41 AM
64 all the way ladies and gents!
This is a huge thread to be voting on due to the fact that this is one of the few series that has spanned generations, but 64 nearly killed a following.....
Bloodlines would be my next vote, simply due to the fact that it was soooooo short compared to other titles.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: X on September 25, 2010, 04:58:35 PM
Bloodlines only had six levels, sure. But so did the original Castlevania.
-X
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Vatican29 on September 26, 2010, 12:06:01 AM
Bloodlines only had six levels, sure. But so did the original Castlevania.
-X
But it was not nearly as challenging. Still thought it was a great game. Especially some of the music like the Munitions Factory and some of the visual effects in the Castle.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: thernz on September 26, 2010, 12:10:13 AM
Well, I don't really think it was just the challenge that made CV1 great. It really does have impeccable level design that hasn't been replicated in any of the later titles. I thought Bloodlines was still fun with all the gimmicks in its level design. I thought it was surprisingly individualistic and charming.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Vatican29 on September 26, 2010, 12:15:07 AM
Well, I don't really think it was just the challenge that made CV1 great. It really does have impeccable level design that hasn't been replicated in any of the later titles. I thought Bloodlines was still fun with all the gimmicks in its level design. I thought it was surprisingly individualistic and charming.
Charming....perfect way to put it.
Platforming got lost somehow with Simon's Quest. I thought CVIII did it rather well though.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: thernz on September 26, 2010, 12:37:43 AM
Mm, with CVIII, I thought it suffered from trying to scale everything in CVI up. There were a lot of places where it dragged too, especially the whole block melting part. I thought there was a lot of superficial structures and some flat expanses in its first level too.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Vatican29 on September 26, 2010, 12:56:41 AM
Mm, with CVIII, I thought it suffered from trying to scale everything in CVI up. There were a lot of places where it dragged too, especially the whole block melting part. I thought there was a lot of superficial structures and some flat expanses in its first level too.
I suppose you're right....
In some areas it was far too much. The Demon Seed route with Alucard as your partner (possibly) had too many moving platforms for no reason....still one of my favs forever, though.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Amos on October 02, 2010, 03:27:02 AM
Simon's Quest And Harmony of Dissonance.
HoD I only liked for the one song that made me stay in that part of the castle for hours. It also gave me a taste of what the retro games were like (it looks old as opposed to Circle of the Moon which was released before it.) It had a lame story over all.
Simon's Quest since i watch AVGN's review there's no way i'd waste time playing that.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Sumac on October 02, 2010, 10:40:47 AM
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Simon's Quest since i watch AVGN's review there's no way i'd waste time playing that.
Don't believe reviews. Think with your own head.
There is only one way to determine is the game good or not - to play it. Judging game by videos, especially like AVGN ones, who creates them for the comedy purposes, are bad idea.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: shelverton. on October 02, 2010, 12:30:47 PM
Simon's Quest since i watch AVGN's review there's no way i'd waste time playing that.
If you haven't even played Simon's Quest you can't say it's the worst in the series, at least not if you wanna be taken somewhat seriously within these forums. It defies all logic and common sense.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Gecko on October 03, 2010, 02:06:10 PM
Simon's Quest since i watch AVGN's review there's no way i'd waste time playing that.
You are aware that the AVGN actually LOVES Castlevania 2, right? His reviews are comedy. Not to be taken entirely seriously.
It's one of my favorite 'Vanias.
I chose Castlevania Adventure. Belmont's Revenge is a whole other beast, but the first Adventure game is annoyingly difficult because Christopher is the slowest Belmont of all time. He's really sluggish at jumping too. The game isn't so bad after you use the hack to speed him up and emulate it, but the original game is rather disappointing in my opinion.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: shelverton. on October 03, 2010, 05:20:00 PM
Adventure is definitely one the weakest entries in the series, if not the weakest.. but it's also the game I always wanted to see remade, just because there's so much wasted potential in there. The music and some of the level design is actually very good IMO. Adventure Rebirth was not how I pictured a remake though... I would say a proper Adventure remake is out of the question now. A damn shame...
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: csgx1 on October 31, 2010, 08:29:25 AM
I just played through and beat all 3 original gameboy Castlevanias for the first time. To me, Castlevania Legends is a huge let down and has got to be the worst game. >:( The background graphics are horrible. What up with the annoying bats and flying lizards that fly through walls?...and enemies re-appear instantly too? Not fun, just annoying. Also no creativity what so ever for a game that was release in 1997, the same time as SOTN. I think Castlevania Adventure is even a better game then Legends and that game has serious flaws.
Title: Re: Worst Game in Series
Post by: Munchy on October 31, 2010, 08:30:52 AM
The worst game in this series by a long shot is Timecop for the SNES.