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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Nagumo on March 23, 2010, 04:13:48 PM
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Successor and I contacted the movie's producer Kevin Kolde, and his words are:
"The movie is going to happen. We'll have news in the next 30 days or so."
So, I guess we can look forward to some kind of announcement about it. Everybody keep an eye on the production blog.
http://castlevaniadraculascurse.com/
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Well it's about time. Better late than never I suppose.
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i only hope it has at least decent plot, production and a good budget.
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yea... I checked the site like 4 days ago with no news for like a year... or 2 >.> but sine teh site is still there I gathered they are still making it ... esp with the money they use to keep the site... albeit prolly not much there.
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Thank You for info Nagumo! Good news indeed. :)
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well its about time. I was also just checking it out yesterday in hopes of finding something, but this is good and I'm looking forward to some kind of major update
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Is this the same moive that scrapped Grant?
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Oh, man. After reading the script I was hoping it wouldn't be released.
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Oh, man. After reading the script I was hoping it wouldn't be released.
I hate to say this, but I think I agree with this.
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Can't be worse than the Castlevania 3 Captain N episode.
I for one am seriously looking forward to it.
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I hate to say this, but I think I agree with this.
Same here.
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regardless of whether it is bad or not, I still want to see it so that I know why I hate it.
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regardless of whether it is bad or not, I still want to see it so that I know why I hate it.
I like your way of thinking!!!!
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I like your way of thinking!!!!
Thanks
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You're welcome :-*
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If the movie turns out to be horrible then we can make a suggestion to have it featured on an episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000 and let those critics deal with it. :)
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Um, Mystery Science Theater 3000 has been off the air since 1999...
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We do still have the Angry Videogame Nerd to do the reviews for such crossmedia productions.
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Oh yeah! forgot about him too. I had no idea that MST3000 was off the air since 1999...huh. Oh well. I can always get the DVDs.
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regardless of whether it is bad or not, I still want to see it so that I know why I hate it.
hhaahahahahahaa, like twilight! :-X
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hhaahahahahahaa, like twilight! :-X
Actually, I've never seen either Twilight movie and I don't intend to. I knew that those were bad just from hearing that it would be a "love story". The only reason I am willing to see the Dracula's Curse movie and the other live action CV movie is because the are CV. With anything else, I would wait for reviews.
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Actually, I've never seen either Twilight movie and I don't intend to. I knew that those were bad just from hearing that it would be a "love story".
I seen Twilight(took my little sister, who's a fanatic, to both movies). Even by "love story" standards, the movies are bad. You basically have two horrible cliches(Edward, who's the tormented, overly jealous and sometimes comes off as a total douche-type; and Bella, who's the overly awkward, overly annoying, "but I still love you, and love conquers ALL!"-type), and tries to get you to care for them. But, unless you are a 12-year old girl who has Disney Princess bed sheets(or any overly desparate girl from the age of 13-55), it just comes off as bad vampire fan-fiction. The only good thing I have to say is, for a movie that centers around Bella and Edward as the main characters, the ones that are SUPPOSED to matter, EVERY other supporting character is actually MORE likable than those two. Had it been just about the supporting cast(and there was no Edward or Bella), it might have been a somewhat good flick. But because Edward and Bella are pushed down your throat, it's just bad. Really, really bad.
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I think if they'd gotten actors to play Edward and Bella that could act their way at least out of a paper bag, then it might be compelling cinema. But damn. Freaking oak trees.
And as for a CV3 movie...I just don't think there's enough character development in the game itself to warrant a movie. It doesn't seem like whoever would be directing such a film would really care about staying true to the spirit of the series.
Bram Stoker's Dracula from the 90's was a sex sell, at best. I never saw Van Helsing...any good? And the Anne Rice movies were moderately interesting. But Vampire movies tend to be, as far as I've seen, a little ridiculous. No one's really gotten a convincing plot concerning vampires down yet. And to really understand the character of Dracula (or Trevor, or any of them, for that matter), some research into Romanian culture of the time would be necessary, rather than (as I'm expecting) simply rehashing classical vampire movie cliches.
But that's really a good question...what movies about vampires have the best plot/acting/presentation? I'd be interested to know.
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I saw the Van Helsing movie and though I thought it was interesting and funny at times, its just not a proper Dracula flic. The character names, like Van Helsing are familier but his first name is completely different, making him a completly different person then the original Van Helsing. Eventhough Hollywood has lots of different movies that protray the most famus vampire in litral history, all those films just don't make Dracula out in the true way that Brahm Stoker had invisioned him. Even IGA has made that mistake. But Van Helsing is an interesting movie and it features classic moive monsters like the game Castlevania did. Go see it if you feel so inclined. :)
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Um, Mystery Science Theater 3000 has been off the air since 1999...
There do exist RiffTrax (newer and current movies) and The Film Crew (older movies, a la MST3K), comprised of three main guys from MST3K (host and main writer Mike Nelson, and the guys who did the voices for Servo and Crow); then there also exists Cinematic Titanic, which is headed by Joel Hodgson, the original MST3K host and its creator, and features other actors from that show. So all these guys are still doing it today, even if MST3K is no more. Maybe you already knew all this, but perhaps the one who suggested MST3K riffs didn't.
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I did not know this at all! :o Thanks for the info!
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well i've been trying to check the website for the last two days, but an error establishing data base connection has been comming up http://www.castlevaniadraculascurse.com/
hoping it doesnt mean the project is dead and the site has been taken down.
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I seen Twilight(took my little sister, who's a fanatic, to both movies).
...it's just bad. Really, really bad.
These movies are nothing more than an excuse to show Robert Pattinson being moody and brooding. For some reason all women from aged 10 to 50 drool over this guy. It would not matter if it was a movie about a male-chauvinist who beats his children, if it was starring Robert Pattinson, these chicks would mindlessly flock to the theater for the off-chance that he takes his shirt off whilst degrading women.
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well i've been trying to check the website for the last two days, but an error establishing data base connection has been comming up http://www.castlevaniadraculascurse.com/
hoping it doesnt mean the project is dead and the site has been taken down.
I just saw this too, but I'm hoping they're updating it with a major re-haul of the website. Hopefully we'll find out in the next few days.
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What the hell is going on with this movie? When was the last time Warren Ellis has spoken about this?
Not only is the blog down, but the company site for Project 51 is down too. It's like they never existed.
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Looks like they're trying to bail on us, lol
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Well, the producer seemed pretty confidant that the movie will happen. Not that I would mind if it didn't but I don't want to get my hopes up. This movie is going to be shit.
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This movie is going to be shit.
Why so sure about it? Film with actors should be abandoned, but this anime idea is great in my opinion. And Dracula's Curse gives probably the best material for such animation, mostly because of interesting characters.
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anime idea is great in my opinion.
:'(
Heh, I would love it if this movie would use a dark anime style but that sadly won't happen. The art they shown so far is horrible except that banner at the top of the site and some art piece with both Trevor and Sypha.
The reason I thing this movie is going to blow is also because of the script. They made the mistake to hire a Western script writer who apperently knows nothing about the game or the series. I saw a summary of the plot and it is not very faithful to the Japanese storyline and doesn't feel like an adaption of Cv3 at all.
I assure you that this movie won't do the masterpiece that is Akumajou Densetsu any justice.
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its a very rare thing for a video game adaptation to be truly faithful. i think they did a good job with "keeping to the basics" while putting their own spin on things. they got just as many things "right" as they did "wrong" in the script synapsis. its also hard to know what the animation will actually look and feel like when all we have is concept art, which i think is great as well.
oh, and here's the link to the synapsis we're talking about. i keep expecting them to forcibly remove this from the web, put password protection around it, or fire whoever posted it, but it's still there.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14077952/Castlevania-Deck
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I really hope this movie was canceled. The script was horrendous.
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That dude who posted that summary is the boss of the guy who produces the movie so I don't think it was leaked. :P
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I've just read it and... I'm not so optimistic any more. :( But... it also isn't that bad. If audiovisuals will present proper quality then it can be interesting adaptation of the original story.
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One thing I hate about this movie is that it contains unnecessary crap like those lame "Speakers". What's the point of having them?
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well, things from this script get me thinking about other things. like the possibility of Trevor being the "last Belmont" was an interesting thought. the "Speakers" thing got me thinking about a possible tie-in to Simon's Quest. all those cloaked people are called "Gypsies" in the original Japanese. these people could just as well be called "Speakers". if Sypha's a Speaker, could she also be a Gypsy? i'm starting to think of the "Belnades Clan" and the Gypsies in Simon's Quest as pretty much one and the same thing. when you saw a Gypsie, you always knew that they would give you no-bull and would be able to help you. they were not afraid of Dracula (they would enter dangerous areas), they were not afraid of Simon. could it be they thought of Simon as one of their own because of his descendancy from Sypha? they helped him so much. they were skilled in all sorts of magic, one of them knew how to enflame Simon's whip. they appeared as spirits (another big thing for Sypha). they did not accept coins, but instead leftover essences of slain beasts, perhaps they required this substance to perform their trade? Castlevania talks about how the Belnades Clan has often helped the Belmont Clan, and I'd like to think SQ was one of those times. Sypha's clothes also somewhat resembles the Gypsies. i don't think its odd that Sypha would be a member of a group like this. Carrie Fernandez was shown to be a member of a group like this as well. i think it is essentially what the Belnades clan is. i think giving them a proper name like "Speakers" in the movie is a lot better than calling them witches or gypsies. one of the themes in Castlevania is the three-way struggle between the forces of darkness, the Church, and the Witches/Speakers/Gypsies/Heretics. the script hit on that theme well.
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Wait, what "script" are you guys talking about? The only thing I see is the synopsis on those cards. Synopsis =/= scirpt.
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I welcome this, I like seeing an alternate take on something like this. Besides, they have to flesh it out a bit to make it an actual story. And with Warren Ellis having wrote the script, I think it'll be fine
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errr, um, synapsis that is.
i think a lot of the important events happen in this film, it's just the order in which they happen and the circumstances is what doesn't agree so well with canon.
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well, things from this script get me thinking about other things. like the possibility of Trevor being the "last Belmont" was an interesting thought. the "Speakers" thing got me thinking about a possible tie-in to Simon's Quest. all those cloaked people are called "Gypsies" in the original Japanese. these people could just as well be called "Speakers". if Sypha's a Speaker, could she also be a Gypsy? i'm starting to think of the "Belnades Clan" and the Gypsies in Simon's Quest as pretty much one and the same thing. when you saw a Gypsie, you always knew that they would give you no-bull and would be able to help you. they were not afraid of Dracula (they would enter dangerous areas), they were not afraid of Simon. could it be they thought of Simon as one of their own because of his descendancy from Sypha? they helped him so much. they were skilled in all sorts of magic, one of them knew how to enflame Simon's whip. they appeared as spirits (another big thing for Sypha). they did not accept coins, but instead leftover essences of slain beasts, perhaps they required this substance to perform their trade? Castlevania talks about how the Belnades Clan has often helped the Belmont Clan, and I'd like to think SQ was one of those times. Sypha's clothes also somewhat resembles the Gypsies. i don't think its odd that Sypha would be a member of a group like this. Carrie Fernandez was shown to be a member of a group like this as well. i think it is essentially what the Belnades clan is. i think giving them a proper name like "Speakers" in the movie is a lot better than calling them witches or gypsies. one of the themes in Castlevania is the three-way struggle between the forces of darkness, the Church, and the Witches/Speakers/Gypsies/Heretics. the script hit on that theme well.
Nicely observed!
I welcome this, I like seeing an alternate take on something like this. Besides, they have to flesh it out a bit to make it an actual story. And with Warren Ellis having wrote the script, I think it'll be fine
I hope you're right.
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oh yeah, another group of people that were probably a part of this same group are Isaac and Julia Laflorenze, and the two that fled with Isaac to Dracula's castle in the manga. Isaac and his pals were shown to dress very much like the gypsies in Simon's Quest. They may not be close relatives to Sypha Belnades, but probably of the same "people" or "clan" even. We know that Julia escaped the witch trials. Isaac and his companions were shown fleeing the church in the manga, probably for practicing forbidden arts that would be common among their people, and decided the only place they could be safe and accepted was Dracula's Castle.
another potential candidate is the witch Drolta Tzuentes in Bloodlines. again, she's covered completely with robes and a hood and she fights (it appears as if she is Dracula's 2nd form) exactly like a Carrie's cousin, who was at least related to the Belnades family and was originally intended to by Sypha herself brought back from the dead. we don't know her motive for resurrecting Elizabeth Bartley and Dracula, but possible retribution against what was done to her people could be a part of it and its possible their persecution continued into the 20th century. she could have become Elizabeth's servant ages ago willingly or might have been sired by her. there's also a witch in the Rampart stage of The Arcade who fights like Drolta and Carrie's cousin. perhaps all three are the same person, a vampire Belnades witch servant to Elizabeth Bartley?
another witch is Actrise, but her background, dress, and fighting style (crystal based) seems to be different than the gypsies or Belnades, and her power seems to come directly from Dracula rather than nature or spirits. the general fighting style of the regular witch enemies in Castlevania also seems to be different, perhaps because they're more of the "Salem" variety.
its interesting how some gypsies chose to side with Dracula and some decided to oppose him. Sypha recognized that evil forces like Carmilla were behind and at least escalated the worse of their persecutions.
UPDATE: Oh, and then there's the Ferryman. It's interesting to think of him as the ghost of one of these Gypsies, who guides adventurers over the centuries around waterways outside, to, and inside Dracula's Castle. Again, he dresses in the same hooded cloak that the other gypsies do and is shown to do so in all games he's been in. So does the "old crone" merchant who appears in Vampire Killer (interesting that she also deals with Hearts as currency) and the horn-playing druid in Castlevania Chronicles. It's possible that also that the mysterious merchant from Harmony of Dissonance is one of these people or one of their ghosts (he lacks the hood and accepts coins instead of hearts, but so does Julia).
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Just because I'm such a list freak, here's a list of games and the potential "gypsy"s that appear in them.
Lament of Innocence - None? It's not known how "alchemy" and the craft practiced by the gypsies are related. Could Mathias's family have some ties??
Dracula's Curse - Sypha + the "Seekers" counting the animation
Curse of Darkness - Isaac and Julia + 2 of Isaacs companions counting the manga
The Adventure/ReBirth/Belmont's Legacy - Barleys and Dracula's cult could be related to Gypsies
Belmont's Revenge - Possibly Dark Side weather wizard is a gypsy
Order of Shadows - Rohan Krause could be a gypsy
Castlevania/Haunted Castle/Vampire Killer/Super Castlevania IV/Chronicles - Old Crone merchant in VK and horn-playing druid and Ice Wizard in Chronicles
Simon's Quest - All merchants, spirits, ferryman, or otherwise cloaked figures
Harmony of Dissonance - The Merchant
Rondo of Blood/Dracula X - Shaft could be a gypsy, Ghost in Dracula X could be Shaft's ghost
Symphony of the Night - Ferryman, Shaft?
Order of Ecclesia - Necromancer
Circle of the Moon - Necromancer
Legacy of Darkness/Castlevania 64 - Ferryman, Carrie Fernandez, Carrie's Cousin
Stoker's Dracula - None?
Bloodlines - Drolta Tsuenzes, Water Wizard
Portrait of Ruin - Charlotte Aulin
Battle of 1999 - Surely there was someone present
Aria of Sorrow and Dawn of Sorrow - Yoko Belnades
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Shaft was more of a unholy presit, since we was head of the cult that worshipped Dracula. He wore that clothing as a religious thing (and for an evil look) Overall, I doubt he's a Gypsy
Yoko was a witch. Though sometimes they are counted as Gypsies, but since she's with the church, then she is a old fashion witch. Not unless you count her as a descendant of witches. Same applies to Charlotte.
Bram Stoker's Dracula has brainwashed ghouls who do Dracula's bidding. though in the background of certain depictions you do see Gypsies, but I don't recall any being an actual part of the plot.
I don't count ferrymen as gypsies, ferrymen were typical Christians of those times and only wore those cloaks as protection to the elements. Which is ironic since everyone else in the games seems ot wear them just for the hell of it. The merchants though make perfect sense though since that reflects their image in that period.
Why are you counting the horn playing Druid as one? Aren't Druids... you know, druid? They have their own mysteries and myths pertaining to them, also much more older and very far off from the birthplace of Gypsies.
Everything else I either agree with or I don't have enough information to judge.
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yeah, these are all just speculations based on the whole cloaked thing and magical abilities and just dubbed "potential candidates". the "horn playing druid" isn't his real name, just a description based on appearance that fans have used. he could very well be the same type of cloaked being that was found in Simon's Quest.
Shaft, Bartleys, Rohan Krause, Necromancer are all just speculations as well. I just noticed that Isaac and his companions (who he killed eventually) were at Dracula's Castle and wore cloaks like that. I wonder if there were more such people at Dracula's Castle and if the movement to resurrect him stems from these followers of him in the CoD manga. Perhaps they started out as Gypsies, but eventually their cult spread and they accepted "normal" humans with lusts for power, immortality, and evil in their hearts, so that people like Shaft might not actually have Gypsy genetic roots, but their movement did.
The sprite used for the Ferryman in Simon's Quest was the same as the merchants and graveyard spirits. I've always assumed they were unrelated because of the limited amount of sprites they created for the game, but what if the sprite is tying together an entire culture? There's a clue that says the Ferryman loves garlic, but I wonder if that's just a translation issue and the clue might have been intended to refer to the graveyard spirit. The origins of things in Castlevania may also be different than historical and mythological origins.
And of course Belnades being gypsies is also speculation, but I think it nicely ties things together. In the end, it's all speculation. According to the Japanese, Sypha was a witch, but she was essentially raised by the church, who took pity on her, after her family had been killed. The Belnades, including Charlotte and Yoko, stems from a long tradition of siding with the church, and is a bit of a case of strange bed fellows. Siding with the church or Dracula seems to be a decision based on who an individual gypsy holds responsible for the humans/church's persecution of their people.
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if there is one thing known about established churches, is that they can be two faced. If only castlevania would use that in their plots. Afterall, we've had blood thirsty popes in real life history. The closest we had to that was death pretending to be a priest or monk (don't remember exactly now) in Curse of darkness.
The whole cloak thing, It's probably just a common look and item for anything related to horror and mystery. That fits perfectly with castlevania, but it would definitely be more interesting if your gypsy ideas came to fruition (why the hell is this last word spelled without an "a"?).
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if there is one thing known about established churches, is that they can be two faced. If only castlevania would use that in their plots. Afterall, we've had blood thirsty popes in real life history. The closest we had to that was death pretending to be a priest or monk (don't remember exactly now) in Curse of darkness.
The whole cloak thing, It's probably just a common look and item for anything related to horror and mystery. That fits perfectly with castlevania, but it would definitely be more interesting if your gypsy ideas came to fruition (why the hell is this last word spelled without an "a"?).
"Zead" (Death) was a priest. What about the Celia in DoS? She was somewhat "two-faced" claiming her cult worshiped God, but she controlled monsters with dark magic and tried to create a new dark lord.
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Celia believed that perfect evil was needed for perfect good to be good, so she wasn't two faced, just misguided and misinformed.
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"Zead" (Death) was a priest. What about the Celia in DoS? She was somewhat "two-faced" claiming her cult worshiped God, but she controlled monsters with dark magic and tried to create a new dark lord.
Don't forget Ecclesia
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if there is one thing known about established churches, is that they can be two faced. If only castlevania would use that in their plots.
Ouch! Harsh!
Well, I would say that the church's use of witches (Sypha, Yoko) is pretty two faced in Castlevania. Judgment seems to indicate that Sypha is actually being forced into service.
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interesting, i've never gotten that from Judgment. seems being a church warrior gives her plenty of opportunity to rid the world of beings like those she held responsible for her family's murder. now, the church might have "used" her, but i think it was her own ambition to become a "priest". but Dracula's Curse definitely states that she led a bad life and not very happy.
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Last night I had a crazy idea.
Having Kojima draw EVERY frame and make the movie made enterily on it.
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ha, considering how famously long it takes her to make one piece of art, it'd never be finished. though i suppose she's done Castlevania manga too. maybe they could just have her create a manga and then they can adapt the manga to anime?
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Huh, it's on Dracula's Curse? I did not know that. Well, I suppose it's the best game to make a movie out of, what with all the characters and all. Will it have anything to do with Curse of Darkness though, or will it end with Trevor, Alucard, Sypha, and Grant defeating Dracula? Because if it did, then that would be bound to be a cliff hanger...(The curse Dracula made would still be around untill Hector came along three years later)
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if there is one thing known about established churches, is that they can be two faced. If only castlevania would use that in their plots. Afterall, we've had blood thirsty popes in real life history. The closest we had to that was death pretending to be a priest or monk (don't remember exactly now) in Curse of darkness.
That's like everything in the world. It's not like it's exclusive to churches. Governments are a definite big one. Other religion, etc. Sides, maybe that was what they were going for, corrupt priests/monk are evil that infiltrated the church.
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Nagumo, were you able to get a sense on if they were still thinking of maybe making this a movie in the theater or go with direct-to-dvd as originally planned?
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No sadly, that one sentence I quoted at the beginning of this thread was the only thing that was said to us. I think the guy tried to brush us off. :P
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interesting, i've never gotten that from Judgment. seems being a church warrior gives her plenty of opportunity to rid the world of beings like those she held responsible for her family's murder. now, the church might have "used" her, but i think it was her own ambition to become a "priest". but Dracula's Curse definitely states that she led a bad life and not very happy.
Not sure what CVIII cites as her motivation for fighting but in Judgment I distinctly recall Sypha being spared from death by the church in exchange for her service to them, and her fellow witches are still being hunted down and oppressed. Sypha being a "good" witch genuinely seems to disagree with Dracula's methods, but her being forced by the church would be added incentive to combat him. Probably one of those gray areas in the series.
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Not sure what CVIII cites as her motivation for fighting but in Judgment I distinctly recall Sypha being spared from death by the church in exchange for her service to them, and her fellow witches are still being hunted down and oppressed. Sypha being a "good" witch genuinely seems to disagree with Dracula's methods, but her being forced by the church would be added incentive to combat him. Probably one of those gray areas in the series.
hmm, i think i know what you're talking about, but i didn't read it that way
"Granted protection of the church, Sypha vowed to hunt down the forces of evil and help mankind, despite their continued oppression of her sisters."
i don't know if the protection she got from the church was predicated on her making that vow, but i see what you mean, its possible. i guess i tend to tie that statement from the translated Dracula's Curse that says "Sypha lost his parents when he was young and was found wandering near the monastery, where he remained at the once-beautiful Wallachia. " i tend to think she was found when she was young after her parents were killed by humans (not necessarily the church), raised by Monks, granted protection by the church from other humans (not necessarily the church as a whole, but possibly rogue clergy, though it might be protection against general church policy), made a deal with spirits of her family to grant her power, and then made a vow to hunt down evil and help mankind.
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Movie update..
http://movies.ign.com/articles/108/1087676p1.html
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Movie update..
http://movies.ign.com/articles/108/1087676p1.html
Wrong movie. I think this is the one for the animated movie. The one the IGN article is talking about is the live-action movie.
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bummer