It's a mistake to introduce a Belmont hero before Dracula exists --the Belmont hero should be the RESPONSE to Dracula's arrival. Imagine if Lords of Shadow had no Belmont --suppose we had played as "Mathias Cronqvist" the whole time? None of this Belmont=Dracula nonsense. THEN you introduce the Belmont hero for the sequel....
I voted LoI because it got me into Castlevania. Not to mention I like the story origins the best.
However, the real question is where is the Dark Priest violating my mind option?
I, personally, prefer that one (Lament), because is more close to the Brahm Stoker's Dracula one...The fact that have a wife named Elizabetha, and she dies, and then he blames God to allow to this happen, is very close to what Dracula's origin must be.
I prefer the LOI origin for the same reason you posted above which is that it more closely followed the Bram Stoker's version of Dracula's origin which I find awesome
I honestly don't like either of the origin stories that much. Both of them are pretty hokey in their own ways and actually share an alarming amount of the "HAHAHA I BETRAYED YOU" plots, down to the protagonists being forced to kill their wives. I liked Dracula far better before he had like fifteen different pseudonyms and tragic backstories.
I will give LoS props for better foreshadowing, and the idea of good/bad halves kinda reminds me of Spirited Away.
None of that stuff was actually in the Bram Stoker novel. That stuff about his dead wife Elizabetha, and cursing God, was all added for Francis Ford Coppola's movie so he could make Dracula a sympathetic character and add a romantic sub-plot with Mina (none of that was in the book either). Bram Stoker did not have an origin story for Dracula in his book. So you could say that the Lament of Innocence story closely follows Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula, but that's about it.
We should wait to Resurrection before start making this polls. We don't know yet how Gabriel turns in Dracula, we only know how he turns into a vampire.
There you have. Jeje, sorry :).
It's too soon, we haven't seen Dracula yet in LoS. (Yeah we technically did but for less than 3 minutes with no clue about him so I dunno)Yeah, we don't even know if he is Dracula at that time.
Yeah, we don't even know if he is Dracula at that time.
That's like Brauner becoming a vampire because he was really sad.
But Dracula shows up the last few minutes in EVERY Castlevania game
If we fought him at the end of LoI then people would say it contradicts CVIII since Trevor was the first to battle him.
The only reason Gabriel chose to become Dracula was because his enemies told him he would. Even after he clearly repents his sins & BEGS God to forgive him, probably a mere hours later he forgets all that & becomes a vampire anyway. That's pretty much it.
At the end of the day, we're all just arguing a personal preference. And in reality, all this "Gabe vs Mathias" stuff is really just a "Lament vs Lords" debate. People who preferred LoI are going to support the Mathias Drac.....people who preferred LoS are going to support Gabriel Drac. Simple as that...no matter how we dress up the poll questions
Are you really trying to argue that legions of CV fans would have had a fit if we'd actually gotten a chance to see Leon and Mathias lock swords???
Gabe became what he became because of the steps he took leading up to that point.
At the end of the day, we're all just arguing a personal preference.
Hey, I'm just putting that out there for all the Mathias lovers out there that like to harp on how lame Satan's appearance at the end of LoS was. Point is...Mathias' entry onto the stage in LoI was no different.
. Both Dracula reveals were very predictable to me.
My reasons for liking Mathias over Gabe are, admittedly, a bit shallow. When it comes to villains, I prefer smarter, calculating enemies over enemies that are simply all power.....and Gabe just came off as the "power" type.
People's opinions about video games aligning with their opinions about major characters in said story-intensive video games? Why, I never.
Bram Stoker's version trumps both IMO.
Sure, because the canon dictates that Trevor was and will always be the first Belmont to battle him. If IGA changed that by making "pretty-boy Leon" the first, there'd be even more of a fracture with how the fans feel about his decisions.
Or do you mean like a friendly spar or something??
Same thing can be said for Matthias. He went on a big trek during his fighting in the Crusades in God's favor. When he returned to a dead wife, he took it as a big FU, too. Only difference between the two is we don't get to play this part of his life. So he DID get his rug yanked from underneath him, just in a different fashion.
omg no shit. that's what forum debating is for!
At the end of the day, we're all just arguing a personal preference. And in reality, all this "Gabe vs Mathias" stuff is really just a "Lament vs Lords" debate. People who preferred LoI are going to support the Mathias Drac.....people who preferred LoS are going to support Gabriel Drac. Simple as that...no matter how we dress up the poll questions
I think the only way we'll solve this is with Castlevania Judgment 2. Only playable characters will be Mathias and Gabe and it'll include an online mode that keeps track of the win/loss ratio between the 2 characters. What do ya say? I think I'm onto something here.
Why would having a fight between Leon and Mathias cause a riot amongst CV fans???
Not quite the same as having someone make you kill your wife without your knowledge,
/smartass retort
True, which is why debating such things is a huge waste of time. Seriously you guys, go outside and talk to girls or something.
..or maybe somebody is? Wanna talk about it?
Just thought of something, how the hell did Zobek get him to put on the mask in the first place?? I don't think that was ever shown/explained. Just does more to prove the whole "you're just a puppet" thing Gabriel has going on.
I don't know either. It was a horrible and unnecessary plot element IMO. MS could have done so much better with the plot if they had followed the KISS protocol. Lots of little things that, if had been done a bit different, could have made the whole story so much better. After playing Reverie and Resurrection, I'm now in firm belief that ALL the narration should have been done by Gabriel as an internal monologue...rather than by Zobek (which just came off as...wierd...after a while). It could have given more insight into Gabriel's mental/emotional state throughout the game, instead of us having to extrapolate how all those events were effecting him. If you're going to have the first Belmont make a descent that leads him to become Dracula....you WANT to make that transformation as transparent to the player as humanly possible.Yeah, Gabe should have been doing it the whole game. It would add a lot more depth to his character. Plus, Zobek doesn't know what's going through Gabe's head.
I bet they only did the narration thing because Patrick Stewart wanted more lines. 8)
I bet they only did the narration thing because Patrick Stewart wanted more lines. 8)
Just thought of something, how the hell did Zobek get him to put on the mask in the first place??
Regardless, having Gabriel do the narration would still have worked loads better. His prologues for the DLC chapters is evidence to this IMO.
What if is Gabriel's true name, as he decided to change it, was Mathias Cronqvist? That'd be interesting.