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Title: Devil May Cry - Continuity Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Claimh Solais on June 12, 2011, 08:26:39 PM

Yes, Devil May Cry is one of my favorite game franchises of all time. This can be taken as bashing, but honestly, I'm only making this cuz DPAlucard told me to. ^.^ And may as well point them out.

It was originally supposed to be off the top of my head, but I winded up coming up with, like, 1 point, so I researched some of the rest again (I even included non-canon points and non-released game points, just for the hell of it):

Considering this entire thing contains spoilers...

(click to show/hide)

-DMC1 clearly states that Dante lost his mother and brother to evil 20 years ago. But DMC3 states that Vergil (Dante's bro, for those who don't know) was lost to evil about 2-3 years before DMC1 (I'm not quite clear how long before DMC1 is before 3, its within a 5 year span is all I know).

-DMC4's novel states that Nero is Vergil's son, and that Nero was conceived sometime shortly before the events of DMC3. But using simple math, Vergil would be around the age of 11 when that happened. So either he hit puberty real fast or this is indeed another screwup. (for source, find someone who has a copy of the novel. I don't have it anymore)

-DMC1's novel states that he and Vergil fought before the events of DMC1. This cannot be possible, due to the fact that Vergil was currently in the demonic realm under Mundus's influence. (However, this novel is no longer canon)

-It shows clearly that Eva (Dante's mother) had blonde hair and that Sparda had silver hair. So where did Dante get the black hair in DmC? (Note that this pertains to a game that is unreleased. Fan speculation also says that he dyed his hair because he was "ashamed of his demon side")

-As minor as this is, it should be pointed out. During Dante and Vergil's first battle in DMC3, Dante was not wearing his amulet, nor did he put it on during the fight. However, after the fight, Vergil was shown tearing it off from around Dante's neck.

This is all I typed out from using what I thought off the top of my head and using iMDb. There are more, but I can't really think of everything at the moment. Excuse what I said before, I didn't mean more screwups than Castlevania, I commonly exaggerate things. Sorry if that screwed this whole thing up. ^.^

NOTE: I only used memory and iMDb. There  are much more out there.

If you have any others to share, feel free to post it. I'll update as I remember/find more.

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Arma on June 12, 2011, 08:38:21 PM

hmm I didn't know that stuff. I like DMC but only the ones I've played of course, DMC 1 and 3, the rest I don't know yet.
 
So in that case... to avoid any head explosions I'll just go with the version of DMC 1 being the only canon like I read earlier in the other thread >_>

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 12, 2011, 08:51:30 PM

Nice points.

But At this point I would not consider anything shown in DmC to be canon at the moment since it is still in its early stages and has not been officially "confirmed" be be part of the established canon.

It was only said that it was a prequel story if I recall correctly.


And regarding this line in your post

"As minor as this is, it should be pointed out. During Dante and Vergil's first battle in DMC3, Dante was not wearing his amulet, nor did he put it on during the fight. However, after the fight, Vergil was shown tearing it off from around Dante's neck."

This really is not a story screwup. Its more of a programming scewup that tends to happen in alot of other games. They can not show Dante wearing the Amulet through the whole game so when it became time to show it it just showed up around his neck. The same thing can be seen
here
Devil May Cry 3 -[Cutscene Movie]- Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHDwB2YHhD8#)

and here
Devil May Cry 1 Part 19 Dante VS Nelo Angelo 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMnHLk2aTm8#)

Clearly Nelo Angelo and Vergil where both not shown wearing the amulet beforehand and yet out of nowhere similar to Dante it appeared.

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Claimh Solais on June 12, 2011, 08:56:13 PM

I will agree with your point. It was listed under continuity, which I mistook as story. My mistake. ^.^

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: A-Yty on June 12, 2011, 11:12:23 PM

Quote from: Claimh Solais on June 12, 2011, 08:26:39 PM

-It shows clearly that Eva (Dante's mother) had blonde hair and that Sparda had silver hair. So where did Dante get the black hair in DmC? (Note that this pertains to a game that is unreleased. Fan speculation also says that he dyed his hair because he was "ashamed of his demon side")

Either Eva or Sparda had a brunette parent (probably Eva, since Sparda's parents were assumably demons from Hell) and therefore their child could have dark hair.

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Claimh Solais on June 12, 2011, 11:48:17 PM

^That is not confirmed and is left as a plothole at this point. Of course, DmC is not out yet, so we'll wait and see. ^.^

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: A-Yty on June 12, 2011, 11:55:34 PM

That wasn't actually about the plot. It was about genetics  :P

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Claimh Solais on June 12, 2011, 11:57:39 PM

Quote from: A-Yty on June 12, 2011, 11:55:34 PM

That wasn't actually about the plot. It was about genetics  :P

Well... Err...

You still get my point. :3

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Gecko on June 13, 2011, 03:33:50 AM

Quote from: Claimh Solais on June 12, 2011, 08:26:39 PM

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-DMC1 clearly states that Dante lost his mother and brother to evil 20 years ago. But DMC3 states that Vergil (Dante's bro, for those who don't know) was lost to evil about 2-3 years before DMC1 (I'm not quite clear how long before DMC1 is before 3, its within a 5 year span is all I know).

Wait... I thought 3 was supposed to be the PREQUEL to 1. That was why Dante was more rambunctious and wild, and appeared to be younger. I think it comes first in the series.

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Claimh Solais on June 13, 2011, 03:40:39 AM

Quote from: Gecko on June 13, 2011, 03:33:50 AM

Wait... I thought 3 was supposed to be the PREQUEL to 1. That was why Dante was more rambunctious and wild, and appeared to be younger. I think it comes first in the series.

Oh, whoops. Put it backwards in that one sentence. I was typing in a rush. ^.^

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: A-Yty on June 13, 2011, 10:13:26 AM

Quote from: Claimh Solais on June 12, 2011, 11:57:39 PM

Well... Err...

You still get my point. :3

Well..yeah. You wondered how Dante can have dark hair if both his parents had white/silver hair. My point was that is completely possible for two blonde parents to have a brunette child (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffoorumi.linnavaanijat.com%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fmagic.gif&hash=756777299b4d26f56281aa268db95d26ed994f07)

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Claimh Solais on June 13, 2011, 03:53:01 PM

Quote from: A-Yty on June 13, 2011, 10:13:26 AM

Well..yeah. You wondered how Dante can have dark hair if both his parents had white/silver hair. My point was that is completely possible for two blonde parents to have a brunette child (https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffoorumi.linnavaanijat.com%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fmagic.gif&hash=756777299b4d26f56281aa268db95d26ed994f07)

I know, I understand that. It still counts as a... problem in the game sort of... until confirmed. I'm still going with the idea that "Dante dyed his hair because he's ashamed of his demon side" thing, even though it is a quite crappy plot device.

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Nagumo on June 13, 2011, 03:59:43 PM

Dante dyed his hair because he received word from Capcom executives they wanted to make a live action film and was told to dress like a gangsta. Because they want to make a gangsta film. With demons. And they thought it would be cool if they called it Devil May Cry, because hey brand recognition.

That's my story theory at least.       

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: ScionOfBalance on June 13, 2011, 05:12:48 PM

Also,you'll see that Dante's demon form changes from DMC3 to DMC1,but i don't recall any explanation on it.

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: thernz on June 13, 2011, 06:50:17 PM

It changes in DMC4 too. I can't remember DMC2, but I think his demon form just changes. Like how Dracula has a different second form every game.

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 13, 2011, 06:58:10 PM

Quote from: thernz on June 13, 2011, 06:50:17 PM

It changes in DMC4 too. I can't remember DMC2, but I think his demon form just changes. Like how Dracula has a different second form every game.

Yea.

and in DMC4 and DMC2 he has a desperation DT that makes him turn into a even more badass demon. I remember the one in DM2 made him turn into this huge badass demon who could whipe the floor with the demons in a matter of seconds.

I used to get myself hurt on purpose just so my health would get low enough so I could use it lol.

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Kale on June 13, 2011, 07:06:13 PM

Quote from: Nagumo on June 13, 2011, 03:59:43 PM

Dante dyed his hair because he received word from Capcom executives they wanted to make a live action film and was told to dress like a gangsta. Because they want to make a gangsta film. With demons. And they thought it would be cool if they called it Devil May Cry, because hey brand recognition.

That's my story theory at least.       

Gangster? Don't you mean emo wanna be?

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Claimh Solais on June 13, 2011, 07:17:57 PM

The demon form changes, yes, they can be taken into account about screwups. But so can his hair, which changes from naturally straight to naturally wavy (straight in DMC2/3, wavy in DMC1/4). Or in the case of DmC, "emo wannabe". ^.^

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Arma on June 13, 2011, 08:06:03 PM

Quote from: Nagumo on June 13, 2011, 03:59:43 PM

Dante dyed his hair because he received word from Capcom executives they wanted to make a live action film and was told to dress like a gangsta. Because they want to make a gangsta film. With demons. And they thought it would be cool if they called it Devil May Cry, because hey brand recognition.

That's my story theory at least.       

lol but it certainly would be difficult to pull off the white hair on a live action without looking kinda weird and I don't think any actor would be very willing to bleach their hair white so the wig it's a must and it won't help making it look less awkward.

I think for a live action it's more plausible to see Dante with his hair in a more normal color spectrum. Or just hire an albino for the part.

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Story Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Claimh Solais on June 13, 2011, 08:07:45 PM

Quote from: Arma on June 13, 2011, 08:06:03 PM

lol but it certainly would be difficult to pull off the white hair on a live action without looking kinda weird and I don't think any actor would be very willing to bleach their hair white so the wig it's a must and it won't help making it look less awkward.

I think for a live action it's more plausible to see Dante with his hair in a more normal color spectrum. Or just hire an albino for the part.

Reuben Langdon, Dante's VA/MC for DMC3 and 4, actually has pictures of himself dressed as Dante, complete with the silver hair. Looks quite well in my opinion. See below

I also changed the topic name to make our discussion more accurate. ^.^

(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi396.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp41%2FREiO-LoV3%2FReubenLangdonasDante.jpg&hash=ae8bbbed46f4f3b135c316604aff62904fc539c1)

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Continuity Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: ScionOfBalance on June 13, 2011, 09:01:30 PM

And what happened to Trish?I didn't see her in the DMC2 story mode.
Only as a secret playable caracter.

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Continuity Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: thernz on June 13, 2011, 09:04:05 PM

I love how so many voice actors are also motion capture actors/stunt men.
So bad ass...

Oops, Reuben's pic as Dante is probably the best you can take that design in live action.

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Continuity Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Lumas on June 13, 2011, 09:35:03 PM

Quote from: Claimh Solais on June 12, 2011, 08:26:39 PM

Yes, Devil May Cry is one of my favorite game franchises of all time. This can be taken as bashing, but honestly, I'm only making this cuz DPAlucard told me to. ^.^ And may as well point them out.

It was originally supposed to be off the top of my head, but I winded up coming up with, like, 1 point, so I researched some of the rest again (I even included non-canon points and non-released game points, just for the hell of it):

Considering this entire thing contains spoilers...

(click to show/hide)

-DMC1 clearly states that Dante lost his mother and brother to evil 20 years ago. But DMC3 states that Vergil (Dante's bro, for those who don't know) was lost to evil about 2-3 years before DMC1 (I'm not quite clear how long before DMC1 is before 3, its within a 5 year span is all I know).

-DMC4's novel states that Nero is Vergil's son, and that Nero was conceived sometime shortly before the events of DMC3. But using simple math, Vergil would be around the age of 11 when that happened. So either he hit puberty real fast or this is indeed another screwup. (for source, find someone who has a copy of the novel. I don't have it anymore)

-DMC1's novel states that he and Vergil fought before the events of DMC1. This cannot be possible, due to the fact that Vergil was currently in the demonic realm under Mundus's influence. (However, this novel is no longer canon)

-It shows clearly that Eva (Dante's mother) had blonde hair and that Sparda had silver hair. So where did Dante get the black hair in DmC? (Note that this pertains to a game that is unreleased. Fan speculation also says that he dyed his hair because he was "ashamed of his demon side")

-As minor as this is, it should be pointed out. During Dante and Vergil's first battle in DMC3, Dante was not wearing his amulet, nor did he put it on during the fight. However, after the fight, Vergil was shown tearing it off from around Dante's neck.

This is all I typed out from using what I thought off the top of my head and using iMDb. There are more, but I can't really think of everything at the moment. Excuse what I said before, I didn't mean more screwups than Castlevania, I commonly exaggerate things. Sorry if that screwed this whole thing up. ^.^

NOTE: I only used memory and iMDb. There  are much more out there.

If you have any others to share, feel free to post it. I'll update as I remember/find more.

Silly girl everyone knows Vergil boned the housekeeper.

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Continuity Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 13, 2011, 10:04:00 PM

Here is a video of the DT I was refering to earlier from DMC2.
Devil May Cry Secret Devil Trigger Ultimate Power Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MnHLsEjvzs#)

Since Dante only has a Desperation DT in DMC4 and DMC2 (both involves a much older Dante) I think that Dante's Devil Trigger evolves as he gets older and stronger which is why his Devil Trigger always looks different in every game.

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Continuity Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Claimh Solais on June 14, 2011, 12:08:32 AM

Quote from: Lumas on June 13, 2011, 09:35:03 PM

Silly girl everyone knows Vergil boned the housekeeper.

I am not a girl. D:

Quote from: DarkPrinceAlucard on June 13, 2011, 10:04:00 PM

Here is a video of the DT I was refering to earlier from DMC2.

Since Dante only has a Desperation DT in DMC4 and DMC2 (both involves a much older Dante) I think that Dante's Devil Trigger evolves as he gets older and stronger which is why his Devil Trigger always looks different in every game.

Yeah, that's one of the things I loved so much about DMC2. Unlike a lot of people, I actually love that game a lot. It also has the 2nd best OST in the series (1st being DMC1). I didn't like that DMC3 and 4 went all vocal with a lot of the songs, granted Devils Never Cry and Shall Never Surrender were some pretty boss tracks. (And DMC4 wasn't as vocal with the songs as 3)

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Continuity Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Lumas on June 14, 2011, 12:13:45 AM

Quote from: Claimh Solais on June 14, 2011, 12:08:32 AM

I am not a girl. D:

Yeah, that's one of the things I loved so much about DMC2. Unlike a lot of people, I actually love that game a lot. It also has the 2nd best OST in the series (1st being DMC1). I didn't like that DMC3 and 4 went all vocal with a lot of the songs, granted Devils Never Cry and Shall Never Surrender were some pretty boss tracks. (And DMC4 wasn't as vocal with the songs as 3)

Oh sorry please replace that with the phrase "Cmon dude!"

Title: Re: Devil May Cry - Continuity Screwups :D (contains spoilers)
Post by: Claimh Solais on June 14, 2011, 12:31:06 AM

Quote from: Lumas on June 14, 2011, 12:13:45 AM

Oh sorry please replace that with the phrase "Cmon dude!"

'S no biggie, it's kinda misleading with my sig and avatar. :P