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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: cecil-kain on July 28, 2011, 02:13:21 PM
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I'm working on a Castlevania 3 project right now for Operation Akumajo --and it popped in my head again... I've wondered about this before of course, but everytime I almost made a topic about it over the years --something distracted me...
Picture this. You're Trevor Belmont. You're a vampire hunter. It's your job to make the world safe for the living --by killing every vampire you see. This particular mission is different from all the others --this particular vampire is different from all the others. All of Europe is in danger.
About halfway through your quest, you're is attacked by a vampire. Not the one your looking for, but still... You do your thing and beat this vampire into submission --but then... Something happens --the vampire gets up again and speaks.
"I'm surprise you beat me. I've been waiting for you. I need your help to destroy Dracula."
At this point, Trevor decided not only to spare the vampire's life --but to TRUST HIM WITH HIS.
And let's just forget about the Spirit Helper system that forced Sypha/Grant to leave --all CV3 endings are Canon according to later to later games in the series (so technically none of the actual CV3 endings are Canon, but that's another topic).
How is it that Trevor, Sypha, and Grant --ALL agreed to take a vampire into their midst on the Quest to destroy Dracula? And also at what point did they discover this vampire was indeed the son of Dracula? Because when Trevor agrees to accept him, Alucard merely says...
"I'm glad to hear that. Let's get him. I am Alucard."
This gaping plot hole is one of the best reasons to see Dracula's Curse rebooted IMO. What do you think?
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Well apparently Sypha, Trevor & Grant are good judge of characters. And Alucard has his mother's eyes, so they could literally see his pain & perhaps he even shed a tear when explaining his origins, so they knew he was human o.o;
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The cutscene you see in the game was probably not what exactly happend. That conversation basically just happens off screen. Kind off how you don't see Dracula cursing Simon while the sequel tells you he did. If that makes sense.
If they would ever remake this game, I bet they would expand the conversations between characters a bit more.
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The cutscene you see in the game was probably not what exactly happend. That conversation basically just happens off screen. Kind off how you don't see Dracula cursing Simon while the sequel tells you he did. If that makes sense.
If they would ever remake this game, I bet they would expand the conversations between characters a bit more.
I completely agree. Remember, those games were more about gameplay than story. It goes without saying that the conversations should be revised and lengthened.
As for why Trevor didn't slay Alucard, I can't say. It's possible that he was willing to accept any help that was offered. You know the old saying: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Trevor probably originally planned to slay Alucard after Dracula was gone, but changed his mind after he got to know him. This is all speculation seeing how it is never truly explained.
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Definitely need a cut-scene of sorts to fill in this plot hole you speak of. Since the Belmonts have supernatural powers Trevor would have sensed there was something more to Alucard then your regular run-of-the-mill Vampire. And Sypha herself is a sorceress so she too would've sensed something about him as well. It's kinda like the 'Julius Vs Soma' battle in AoS. Even though Soma had reacquired his Vampiric powers Julius didn't outright kill him because he sensed the essence of Soma amidst the chaos, thus stopping the conflict before a mistake could be made. Since Grant doesn't have any said magical abilities, he might be the least of all the others to trust Alucard. But I think that over the course of the game Alucard earns Grants trust. And I believe that Alucard would tell the group that he is the son of Dracula (as it is mentioned in the CV3 ending sequence) and that he is only half Vampire.
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Maybe Trevor spelled Alucard's name backwards then put two and two together.
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I agree with what Nagumo says. Also back in those days they expected you to read the manuals the games came with to get a little info
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Either that or Sonia told her son "Someday you might meet a young Vampire with this description in this one cave. He's different, he will be tough but will not kill you. Listen to what he says" "BUT MOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!?!?!?!?"
LOL J/K. That is pretty strange, though. :P
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Either that or Sonia told her son "Someday you might meet a young Vampire with this description in this one cave. He's different, he will be tough but will not kill you. Listen to what he says" "BUT MOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!?!?!?!?"
LOL! I can picture a chibi Trevor saying this :)
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There are many more mysterious in Castlevania that haven't been discussed, and I demand answers, such as:
- How did Mathias/Drac managed to stay hidden for so long without being noticed by the Belmonts or anyone? (300+ years is a long vacation)
- Why isn't Death in CVA/BR?
- What was Dracula doing during those 15 years between CVA & BR?
- Why was Richiter the last Belmont to wield Vampire Killer?
- If Alucard is "estimated to be 400" in 1797, how old is he in 2036?
- Who are the other Dark Lord Candidates? Surely there are more than 3
- What relationship does St. Germain have with Aeon, and how does that affect 1999?
- How does Alucard know the Librarian if he only appeared once in the series?
- In which game did Dracula WEAR A MASK?
- Why do Demonic Gods that existed centuries before Dracula, show him allegiance? (some even date back to ancient Sumer!)
- What's Galamoth's beef with Dracula??
answer me these, please
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- How did Mathias/Drac managed to stay hidden for so long without being noticed by the Belmonts or anyone? (300+ years is a long vacation)
He chaned his name, remarried, and moved to Romania, and laid low until his second wife was killed. If he sint killing anyone or doing anything other than posing as "that one weird old rich guy up in ye old castle" then all the Belmonts had to work with is mere rumors and word of mouth. its not like GPS was invented.
- Why isn't Death in CVA/BR?
vacation maybe?
- What was Dracula doing during those 15 years between CVA & BR?
chillin', like a villin'
- Why was Richiter the last Belmont to wield Vampire Killer?
I like to assume it had something to do with being mindraped by Shaft and becoming a lackey of Dracula's
- If Alucard is "estimated to be 400" in 1797, how old is he in 2036?
639
- Who are the other Dark Lord Candidates? Surely there are more than 3
or are there?
technically there's only 2. Soma is not a Dark Lord candidate, he IS the Dark Lord.
- What relationship does St. Germain have with Aeon, and how does that affect 1999?
they might be part of the same time travel club. Along with Dr. Who and Doc Brown
- How does Alucard know the Librarian if he only appeared once in the series?
knows him from off screen. obviously the guy existed long before Symphony, he just never appeared in the games.
- In which game did Dracula WEAR A MASK?
well there WAS that one CV manga where on the cover Dracula's face IS the mask and you see a demon face underneath...
- Why do Demonic Gods that existed centuries before Dracula, show him allegiance? (some even date back to ancient Sumer!)
Cuz Dracula is just that beasty.
- What's Galamoth's beef with Dracula??
Maybe hes butthurt that Alucard kicked his ass when he was a little kid.
answer me these, please
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There are many more mysterious in Castlevania that haven't been discussed, and I demand answers, such as:
- How did Mathias/Drac managed to stay hidden for so long without being noticed by the Belmonts or anyone? (300+ years is a long vacation)
- Why isn't Death in CVA/BR?
- What was Dracula doing during those 15 years between CVA & BR?
- Why was Richiter the last Belmont to wield Vampire Killer?
- If Alucard is "estimated to be 400" in 1797, how old is he in 2036?
- Who are the other Dark Lord Candidates? Surely there are more than 3
- What relationship does St. Germain have with Aeon, and how does that affect 1999?
- How does Alucard know the Librarian if he only appeared once in the series?
- In which game did Dracula WEAR A MASK?
- Why do Demonic Gods that existed centuries before Dracula, show him allegiance? (some even date back to ancient Sumer!)
- What's Galamoth's beef with Dracula??
answer me these, please
All valid questions. I think I can answer the one about the Librarian. There are some clues that Alucard lived in the castle at one point. Death mentions that Alucard was with them at one point. Plus, in the Radio Drama, there is at least one flashback with Lisa living in the castle. And, if she lived there, it only makes sense that Alucard would have lived there too.
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Why was Richiter the last Belmont to wield Vampire Killer?
because... Richi was Richter's mad twin brother and he used the whip for slaying the entire Belmont family, including Richter.
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The original question about Trevor & Alucard begs a play through of Akumajou Densetsu so I can screen capture the dialogue and translate it properly since there's no doubt the presented story in CV3 has been mangled in transit from the land of the rising sun. Some scans of the original (J) manual may shed some light after a proper translation too. I've found that the us version of most NES era stories are largely made up bullshit. Take 8 Eyes, which claims to be set in a post-apocalyptic future. Upon having the original (J) manual's story translated by the folks over at RHDN, it turns out that the game actually takes place in the early 19th century and is about a cult trying to resurrect a demon.
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How did Mathias/Drac managed to stay hidden for so long without being noticed by the Belmonts or anyone? (300+ years is a long vacation)
Easy, in LOI it was explained that he moved to various parts of the world
Why isn't Death in CVA/BR
Probably hard to put his coding into Gameboy
What was Dracula doing during those 15 years between CVA & BR?
Gathering his strength, seemingly that's all he does half the time...
Why was Richiter the last Belmont to wield Vampire Killer?
Julius did Wield the VK, but that's hundreds of years, probably had alot to do with the disappearance of Belmonts in that time
If Alucard is "estimated to be 400" in 1797, how old is he in 2036?
Really Old
Who are the other Dark Lord Candidates? Surely there are more than 3
Ah, the convenient sequel plots, all that was made up due to no material for a sequel
What relationship does St. Germain have with Aeon, and how does that affect 1999?
more IGA 1999 BS. every game after AoS has a 1999 reference, this is a reason I don't want IGA to do castlevania anymore.
Personally, the plot with Galamoth and Time Reaper sounds 1000x more interesting than a Dues ex Machina War
How does Alucard know the Librarian if he only appeared once in the series?
The Librarian is a vampire, or an evil spirit of Greed that knew Alucard when he was younger
In which game did Dracula WEAR A MASK?
Castlevania 2, the sprite resembles a dark spirit wearing a mask.
Why do Demonic Gods that existed centuries before Dracula, show him allegiance? (some even date back to ancient Sumer!)
Dracula Possesses the power to give them a physical form in the Relm, plus Dracula is ten-fold stronger
What's Galamoth's beef with Dracula??
oh, how I wish this could go in depth. my guess he's the only creature that can match Dracula and wants to overthrow his place.
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It's NES. So cutscenes and stuff weren't that good. If they do a reboot, it'll be explained in a better way.
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Inccubus if you need a reference to the true CV3 scene between Alucard and Trevor then download the Akumajou Dnesetsu rom translation hack. I have this rom if you're interested.
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The real mystery is this. How did Richter change his outfit and grow out his hair that fast? Was the staircase to Dracula so long his hair grew past his shoulders?
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I have another question. Does the castle have bathrooms? Or do the Belmonts take a dump out in the woods?
I know that vampires don't have to eat in order to survive, but how come there's so much food stored in the castle? And if Dracula doesn't have to eat regular food, that doesn't necessary mean he can't eat it right? Besides garlic, I don't think that food can harm vampires.
I think it would be cool to show the bathrooms in a future game, it would add more realism to the series.
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Well keep in mind that we never really get a chance to explore the FULL castle in any game. There are several instances that you see long, winding hallways in the background that the player never has access to (such as those huge stairwells in the Long Library in Symphony). There are many more inaccessable rooms than what we're lead to believe.......
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hmm yeah that makes sense :D
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Inccubus if you need a reference to the true CV3 scene between Alucard and Trevor then download the Akumajou Dnesetsu rom translation hack. I have this rom if you're interested.
I have it too. That is a good reference, but I go really hardcore with this sort of thing and prefer to get my hands on the original text and have someone translate it exactly or try to translate it myself.
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I have another question. Does the castle have bathrooms?
Brauner has one in his painting...
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The real mystery is this. How did Richter change his outfit and grow out his hair that fast? Was the staircase to Dracula so long his hair grew past his shoulders?
Isnt symphonly 5 years after Rondo? It just grew out, and he changed his clothes.
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I have it too. That is a good reference, but I go really hardcore with this sort of thing and prefer to get my hands on the original text and have someone translate it exactly or try to translate it myself.
If you could get the original japanese retranslated --that would be awesome.
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SotN is five years after yes. However, the opening is the end of RoB and you are playing with Rondo Richter.
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SotN is five years after yes. However, the opening is the end of RoB and you are playing with Rondo Richter.
He still wore the same clothes and has the same haircut as he was in RoB, as shown in his sprite.
It's just the portrait artwork of Richter that was wrong.
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I think it's just part of his power. I mean he can fly so why not have super fast hair growing skills.
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Trevor had beaten Alucard in battle so he was no longer a threat to him he had proven to be stronger
than Alucard.
The librarian knows Alucard because Alucard had grown up in the castle with his father,
he is familiar with the inhabitants of Castlevania in the same way a real life prince would be
with his subjects.
Dracula can control ancient gods because he has achieved a high level of expertise in
dark magic. Maybe he even read the "Simon Necronomicon" grimoire.
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I think it's just part of his power. I mean he can fly so why not have super fast hair growing skills.
Like a Super Saiyan?
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Exactly!
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If you could get the original japanese retranslated --that would be awesome.
I'll give it a shot and report back.
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I have another question. Does the castle have bathrooms? Or do the Belmonts take a dump out in the woods?
I know that vampires don't have to eat in order to survive, but how come there's so much food stored in the castle? And if Dracula doesn't have to eat regular food, that doesn't necessary mean he can't eat it right? Besides garlic, I don't think that food can harm vampires.
I think it would be cool to show the bathrooms in a future game, it would add more realism to the series.
PoR has bathrooms, with a ghost
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The real mystery here is how Dracula takes so much abuse to the head yet doesn't have brain damage ever.
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The real mystery here is how Dracula takes so much abuse to the head yet doesn't have brain damage ever.
I think all of the damaged part of his body are healed each time he's resurrected, including his brain.
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Since Vampires are of the undead, I don't think that brain damage is much of cause for concern. But since vampire are also sexually enhanced, he probably keeps his brain in his pants :-X
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Since Vampires are of the undead, I don't think that brain damage is much of cause for concern. But since vampire are also sexually enhanced, he probably keeps his brain in his pants :-X
He thinks with his head.
If you know what I mean. ;)
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He thinks with his head.
If you know what I mean. ;)
Hmmmm.....explain.
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Can't tell if that's sarcasm or serious...
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Can't tell if that's sarcasm or serious...
Everyone loves a mystery, or so I'm told.
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Everyone loves a mystery, or so I'm told.
It seems I've been had.
Damn you.
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- Why was Richiter the last Belmont to wield Vampire Killer?
Um... Didn't this have more to do with what Eric said in Portrait of Ruin, about the Belmonts shouldn't touch the whip until 1999?
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Um... Didn't this have more to do with what Eric said in Portrait of Ruin, about the Belmonts shouldn't touch the whip until 1999?
Eric did say this however this doesn't properly clarify the reason specifically. All we have is a theory and that theory is about Shaft switching Richter's psychic around and making him the lord of Castlevania. Then Richter goes on a mad quest to resurrect and fight Dracula again. And again. And again. A battle for all eternity. Whether or not this is the reason is still in conjecture. That is until IGA or Konami finally decides to get down to work for a Demon Castle Wars game.
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Eric did say this however this doesn't properly clarify the reason specifically. All we have is a theory and that theory is about Shaft switching Richter's psychic around and making him the lord of Castlevania. Then Richter goes on a mad quest to resurrect and fight Dracula again. And again. And again. A battle for all eternity. Whether or not this is the reason is still in conjecture. That is until IGA or Konami finally decides to get down to work for a Demon Castle Wars game.
lol Demon Castle wars, Keep Dreaming.
If It Does Release it'll most likely be a Julius Mode Game with Switchable Characters, don't believe me? go play Curse of Darkness, Castlevania 3 was described as a War.
I wish this stupid game would come out so IGA would stop going out of his way to mention it in games that have nothing to do with it. (CoD, PoR, OoE, and DoS Technically counts)
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Maybe the biggest mystery is how did they stuff those pot roasts into those walls?
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Maybe the biggest mystery is how did they stuff those pot roasts into those walls?
I think the real mystery is who in their right mind would actually eat meat sealed up in moldy old walls... XD
At least in Castlevania 4, drumsticks fall out of candles.
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I think the real mystery is who in their right mind would actually eat meat sealed up in moldy old walls... XD
At least in Castlevania 4, drumsticks fall out of candles.
If you broke open a wall and found a nice, fresh pot roast there, just sitting on a plate, and it's perfectly clean, would you just leave it there? I think not. :P
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I have a mystery for you guys. How did Grant become "The Amazing Spider-Pirate"?
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I have a mystery for you guys. How did Grant become "The Amazing Spider-Pirate"?
maybe because he was bitten by a spider?
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maybe he has suction cups on his hands? :P
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If It Does Release it'll most likely be a Julius Mode Game with Switchable Characters, don't believe me? go play Curse of Darkness, Castlevania 3 was described as a War.
You make it sound as if I've never played these games. I have played them. Several times over. And when I was talking about the Demon castle wars it wasn't CV3. CV3 was a war time game in the CV timeline but it isn't the Demon castle wars. It is Dracula's Curse. And also if the 1999 Demon castle wars game does see the light of day then obviously it will have an explanation as to why the Belmonts couldn't touch the Vampirekiller until 1999. Otherwise us fans will go into a rabid rage from which Konami and IGA will never hear the end of.
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Grant's "powers" (Grant Powers would be a really cool action move hero name) are not powers at all, but are instead simply abilities gained over time. After countless years of climbing up and down pirate ships, keeling hauling and hoisting things, his climbing abilities became so profound that he was able to scale almost any surface.
Honestly, it's not all that uncommon from what I've been told. My uncle was in the navy, and used to love showing off at parties by climbing the walls and ceilings. At least that's what my mom said he was doing right before he fell out of a window to his death. My dad said that he was just seriously high, which makes sense considering the coroner said he had broken every bone in his body. I guess my uncle shouldn't have climbed so high.
Yup, Grants abilities are fairly common actually.
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^^I totally agree with you on this point. There is also a man who has been nick-named 'spiderman' because he can scale virtually any surface. YouTube it and you'll know what I'm talking about. That guy's crazy.
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I would look it up, but I have a terrible case of arachnophobia. Pray, describe for me good sir this spider-like man. Is he in the navy?
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He's no spider and he's not in the navy either. This is just a normal civilian with a lot of time on his hands. He was in the news a little more then a year ago. Maybe two. Found some vids of this guy. But apparently there's more then one person doing these things :o Sorry for derailing the topic there guys.
Two Men Scale NYC Skyscraper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE3Ts5FwsHg#)
Climbing the World Trade Center (05/1977) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUgIJ9LaL8g#)
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I'm kinda amazed that people are actually climbing buildings like that :o. its a little insane if you ask me.
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That shit's pretty impressive. Just give 'em web-blasters and we got Spider-man. :D
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You make it sound as if I've never played these games. I have played them. Several times over. And when I was talking about the Demon castle wars it wasn't CV3. CV3 was a war time game in the CV timeline but it isn't the Demon castle wars. It is Dracula's Curse. And also if the 1999 Demon castle wars game does see the light of day then obviously it will have an explanation as to why the Belmonts couldn't touch the Vampirekiller until 1999. Otherwise us fans will go into a rabid rage from which Konami and IGA will never hear the end of.
Trust me, Aos still has the Biggest Mystery. the Cv3 Reunion.
you can't tell me Four families that intertwine in 1476 at the Beginning of the near 600 year war with Dracula reunite in 2035 and not be questioned at all.
I heard or Read that The Belmonts Didn't touch the whip to gather strength to Fight a Full Powered Dracula at 1999.
Note that Dracula was also at Full power at 1476. (Castlevania 3)
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He's no spider and he's not in the navy either. This is just a normal civilian with a lot of time on his hands. He was in the news a little more then a year ago. Maybe two. Found some vids of this guy. But apparently there's more then one person doing these things
If they're not in the navy, they must be pirates.
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Trust me, Aos still has the Biggest Mystery. the Cv3 Reunion.
you can't tell me Four families that intertwine in 1476 at the Beginning of the near 600 year war with Dracula reunite in 2035 and not be questioned at all.
You'll have to clarify this for me since I'm getting confused and I think we're both going around in circles trying to explain to one-another about what we are each trying to say.
I heard or Read that The Belmonts Didn't touch the whip to gather strength to Fight a Full Powered Dracula at 1999.
Note that Dracula was also at Full power at 1476. (Castlevania 3)
I haven't read this but whomever wrote it wasn't thinking about the other CV titles. There have been many games to feature a prematurely resurrected Dracula, but there have also been games with Dracula at full power and the only person to stare Dracula down and beat him was a lone Belmont. Here's the games that have a fully powered Dracula and a lone Belmont with no help: Castlevania (including all it's remakes), Castlevania: The Adventure (including it rebirth title), Belmont's Revenge, (Dracula spent 15 years gathering his lost strength so I'd assume he's fully powered up by then) and CV Legends (no longer cannon :'()
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I would assume Dracula was also at full power in 1897 "Bram Stoker's Castlevania"
and does Rondo count?
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I think everytime when Dracula is ressurected because of lack of faith, he is at full power. So that would be:
CVA
Castlevania NES etc
Rondo
1897
1999
In CV3 Dracula "borrowed the power of the evil gods", whatever that means.
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In CV3 Dracula "borrowed the power of the evil gods", whatever that means.
more like Dracula Hasn't been touched for hundreds of years yet not at full strength although he's one of the hardest fights ever and took 4 hunter to take em down but we gotta Troll and say he's not at full strength.
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Actually, I think that he would mean he is more powerful than usual because he got additional powers on top of his own. Unless you believe he becomes stronger with each revival. Though I believe that was made up by localizers.
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I guarantee that "spider-man" can't do what Grant does. I'm pretty confident that being able to stick to a solid stone ceiling requires a bit more than skill.
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I guarantee that "spider-man" can't do what Grant does. I'm pretty confident that being able to stick to a solid stone ceiling requires a bit more than skill.
You are aware that I'm just screwing around, right?
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I would assume Dracula was also at full power in 1897 "Bram Stoker's Castlevania"
and does Rondo count?
Rondo would count but I was only mentioning games that had no other playable characters journeying with the Belmont main character.
Actually, I think that he would mean he is more powerful than usual because he got additional powers on top of his own. Unless you believe he becomes stronger with each revival. Though I believe that was made up by localizers.
I think Dracula does get stronger ever resurrection. But that is canceled out since every new generation of Belmonts are born tougher and stronger too.