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Title: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: cecil-kain on October 03, 2011, 12:30:44 PM

Please note, this poll is NOT about what you want, but what you think is actually going to happen... 

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: Flame on October 03, 2011, 01:00:06 PM

they will keep on with LoS for a little while, maybe 2-3 more games, then either in between or after, go back to the original timeline, OR try another approach. EG let other devs take a crack at it. So we would get different vanias by different devs with different flavors and ideas.

At least thats what i could imagine them doing, but realistically, I dont think I can see them doing that... Like Cappy and megaman. they probably wouldnt do that.

they SHOULD, buuuut prolly wont.

I still think they will keep the original timeline around and occasionally release a 2D game for it, though i doubt we will see another HD. Who knows, maybe on occasion we might even get a 3D attempt.

I dont think Konamis done with the original timeline. Not by a long shot. theres still a few things that can still be done. especially in terms of merchandising and other media. (Anime/mangas, etc) The timeline may be bloated and full, but theres still room to expand into other mediums.

A Multiversal approach is neat, and its something megaman has done before. (The battle network and Star force games inhabit the same timeline in an alternate universe, so where Classic -> X series, in the AU its BN -> Star Force) so here we woould have where Lament of Inn. -> Castlevania 3, we have LoS -> whatever LoS2 is named

i think as of other M, metroid jhas it too, since other M doesnt acknowledge the prime games, making them a what if Au thing

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: C Belmont on October 03, 2011, 01:40:14 PM

The whole concept of a possible Castlevania multiverse is a fan invention, what Konami actually told fans was to forget everything they know about Castlevania. Dave Cox only latched onto the idea because he realised it would help decrease some of the hostility towards his game, just try asking him now if he still believes in a Castlevania multiverse and I bet you he will just ignore you.

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: A-Yty on October 03, 2011, 01:53:05 PM

LoS isn't really built on something that should or could go on for long. Obviously they're gonna do sequel, but there's no point in stretching it.

I prefer the "multiple continuities" approach. If I were Konami, I would clear out and conclude the classic timeline and finally reboot it the right way (not the way LoS did it). But I really have no idea what their plan is. With the ignoring of the anniversary and everything else, I could just throw a dart at a random decision and it might be what they're gonna do.

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: Inccubus on October 03, 2011, 02:49:59 PM

Quote from: Flame on October 03, 2011, 01:00:06 PM

i think as of other M, metroid jhas it too, since other M doesnt acknowledge the prime games, making them a what if Au thing

I don't think this is the case. Other M is part of the main continuity, it just happens way before the Prime games do.

That said, I think there's plenty of room for two continuities in CV. There's no reason not to continue the old continuity and even gaiden games on handhelds/download and the new one on consoles.

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: Flame on October 03, 2011, 03:15:06 PM

Quote from: Inccubus on October 03, 2011, 02:49:59 PM

I don't think this is the case. Other M is part of the main continuity, it just happens way before the Prime games do.

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Other M is the prequel to Fusion. Everything that we see in other M is something important to fusion in some way.

Metroids bred as bioweapons, Ridley revived fully and drained by the Metroid Queen, and subsequently transferred to the BSL Station's cryo sector, the original nightmare in his initial debut, and also subsequently has his remains moved to the BSL, and reconstructed,

And then theres Samus and Adam, the whole underlying story behind Fusion and Samus' internal monologues about him. this mysterious Adam whichy we never knew much about, only that he sacrificed himself to save Samus' life, and that his mind backup was instated as her Ship's AI.

The primes take place right after Metroid 1/Zero Mission, since Metroids still exist.

it goes:

Metroid Manga -> Metroid -> Prime -> Prime: Hunters -> Prime2 -> Prime 3 -> Metroid 2 -> Super Metroid -> Other M ->Fusion

it was a NoA guy i think that said they were a "separate" collection of games with a different concept and style or some thing.

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: Kingshango on October 03, 2011, 03:17:28 PM

I don't think the LOS saga will go on for too long, a trilogy at best since they're all the rage today.

I am in favor of a multi universe approch to Castlevania but I still think they should at the very least tie up the loose ends from the original timeline and then do whatever they want with the series after that.

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 03, 2011, 03:47:38 PM

I would love a multiverse Castlevania.

I'm a huge fan of the Mega Man series and I think something similar could work for Castlevania.

I actually like what Flame proposed which is Konami finally finishing up the old timeline with the Demon Castle Wars game (which means they should bring IGA back for it) and afterwards moving on to another developer and letting them have a crack at it.

But as of late it just seems like Konami could care less at this point about the Classic CV games.

Given how they handled the 25th anniversary that much is painfully obvious.

All they are seeing is $$$$$ signs and anything else is of no concern. The only CV continuity they seem to be focused on is LOS.

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: Profbeanburrito on October 03, 2011, 03:53:32 PM

I'll gladly take the multiverse take on the series just as long as it doesn't go the Final Fantasy route where almost every game is a new world. Two or three different timelines is plenty enough. I would like to see the classic timeline finished as well as more Lords of Shadow, but if a new timeline starts as well I'll take that too. But more than that and I think that may be too much and start to confuse to many people

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: DarkPrinceAlucard on October 03, 2011, 03:59:55 PM

Quote from: K-Mart_X on October 03, 2011, 03:53:32 PM

I'll gladly take the multiverse take on the series just as long as it doesn't go the Final Fantasy route where almost every game is a new world. Two or three different timelines is plenty enough. I would like to see the classic timeline finished as well as more Lords of Shadow, but if a new timeline starts as well I'll take that too. But more than that and I think that may be too much and start to confuse to many people

God forbid they make it like Final Fantasy!!!

As was pointed out earlier I think the Megaman universe got it right.

On one side we have the classic Mega Man series which goes

Megaman, Megaman X, Megaman Zero, Megaman ZX, and Megaman Legends.

And in another universe we have Megaman Starforce and Megaman Battle network.

I think Castlevania doing something similar might be a good idea.

Classic Castlevanai Universe
Castlevania LOS Universe
and New Castlevania Universe (which is them letting another developer reboot and give their take on Castlevania).

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: Kale on October 03, 2011, 04:04:36 PM

As much as I don't like LoS, though it wasn't all terrible, I believe Konami is thinking it's a winning ticket and will plow through with it like they did "Metroidvanias" (Ugh, I hate taht term but it's so common now.)

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: Flame on October 03, 2011, 04:09:42 PM

Really, LoS is just a creative interpretation on the story and lore.

Artistic Licence. People just cant handle it not being what they know.

but I would love to see different studios and devs take a shot.

and just for the lulz- a Capcomvania.

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: X on October 03, 2011, 04:26:44 PM

I voted for a multiverse Castlevania. Konami can keep their money making machine if they want, But I'd like to see other developers take a 'stab' at the series to see what they can do. And who knows? Maybe said developers could make such a kick-@$$ game that Konami would reconsider what we've all been screaming for the past couple of years.

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: Dremn on October 03, 2011, 04:30:53 PM

Lords of Shadow is the future.

Title: SEX
Post by: crisis on October 03, 2011, 04:50:16 PM

As much as I'd like to see them continue with both continuities, it's obvious Konami is investing in only 1 right now. COX confirmed that him & his team signed 2 contracts for unannounced projects, one of them most likely is Lords of Shadow 2 and the other will probably be a game for the 3DS/Vita (MS confirmed that they had a 3DS Development kit & were intrigued by what they could do with it). On the other hand IGA showed interest in 3DS capabilities too, but he doesn't call the shots anymore or else we would've been had a new game by now.

If IGA & friends were tasked by Konami fatheads to do another game that isn't LEEDMEES 2, it'll probably be a port of Harmony of Despair for the Vita lol!

And you suckers will it eat that shit up.

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: KaZudra on October 03, 2011, 07:13:56 PM

Y'know I've been trying to explain the multiverse thing to so many Stupid Fans when LoS first came out I thought I'd never see something like this.

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: Flame on October 04, 2011, 04:25:06 AM

Quote from: OSM on October 03, 2011, 04:30:53 PM

Lords of Shadow is the future.

Not quite. Just one of many possibilities when it comes to other studios being involved.

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: DingusBelmondo on October 04, 2011, 04:31:08 AM

These are the possibilities I see. 3D castlevanias catch their stride and become the new and popular image of the series, Konami continues traditional 2D as well as 3D games, or the series fails and lays dormant for several years before being rebooted in a more neo-retro format.

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: Munchy on October 04, 2011, 06:02:48 AM

Cox said he doesn't want to be "Mr. Castlevania", so I imagine we'll see one or two more games of his kind, then perhaps something from another developer besides MercurySteam? (We all know it's not going to be Konami making them.)

Or Konami might milk Cox and MS for all they're worth (like they did with IGA and the handheld games) and force Cox into being Mr. Castlevania and we'll see tons. Who knows what the future will bring; IGA said for a while that he desperately wanted to work on something other than Castlevania. I hope with at least one game Cox decides to go a non-linear Simon's Quest route, because a non-linear game in the vein of LoS would be sex.

If we count the "gaiden" games, there already is something of a multiverse.

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: Sumac on October 04, 2011, 06:19:47 PM

As Much as I'd prefer multiverse approach (more experiments and various ideas - the better), most likely LOS will be the main direction of the Castlevania series. At least for the few next years.

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: Reinhart77 on October 04, 2011, 09:56:55 PM

I'm expecting one of two things to happen, but am not sure which of the two will happen.

1. There will be one or more Lords of Shadow sequels/spin-offs.  Then they'll pick up where they left off with the original timeline and work with it going forwards, occasionally producing a gaiden here or there that's loosely connected to the main timeline (like Order of Shadows), but not necessarily acknowledged by that timeline.

2. One or two Lords of Shadow games will be created.  Then Castlevania will be passed to a new development team unrelated to Iga or Mercury Steam, which will then create its own "reboot".  This could continue so that there are three or more timelines that aren't really connected to each other.  The original timeline might then be only occasionally revisited.

I will be saddened if #2 is the outcome though.  Over the years, it has been great how all these different games created by different folks all connect to each other in some fashion.  It would be a shame if new teams feel the need to start from scratch all the time.

Edit:  I think the Neo-Retro scenario posted by LordsOfShadows is also a possibility.  Kind of reminds me of the Transformers cartoon franchise, where you start with a long series of connected shows (Seasons 1, 2, movie, 3, Japanese seasons, Beast Wars/Beast Machines tangentially), then end up re-creating the franchise several times over with separate timelines (Unicron Trilogy, Transformers Animated, live action movies, others), and then eventually create a new "modern" timeline that combines fan favorite elements from all the past unconnected franchises and moves forward with it (Transformers Prime).

Title: Re: A Multiverse of Castlevania?
Post by: Flame on October 05, 2011, 01:15:49 AM

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1. There will be one or more Lords of Shadow sequels/spin-offs.  Then they'll pick up where they left off with the original timeline and work with it going forwards, occasionally producing a gaiden here or there that's loosely connected to the main timeline (like Order of Shadows), but not necessarily acknowledged by that timeline.

theres really not much left to work with... gaidens sure, but actual timeline and story relevant games? Very little are possible. And while I love the idea of a Sorrow sequel WITHOUT corny cults, and maybe a REAL threat uninterested in bringing Dracula back, (EG Olrox or other all powerful being, maybe even Galamoth) Aria of Sorrow was good enough as an ending to the Castlevania series. (ruined by Dawn, but you can look past it.) Not many long running game series can say they have an actual ending. the Mega Man franchise comes very close, but never will actually end until Legends is finished and the story comes full circle. Theres also a time gap between ZX and Legends of possibly thousands of years, if not more.

but Castlevania?

1999 war, some insight into the Belmonts activities in between Lament and CV3, aaaand thats about it.

Eventually, they will need another reboot. and then we are going to have this conversation aaaall over again. because something or other "wont be castlevania enough". Or "wont feel like the castlevania I know" "it isnt classic/and/or/IGA it sux". and the cycle will repeat. bad sales? another try. and again and again.