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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Vrakanox on February 03, 2012, 11:11:52 AM
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Konami just added a poll to Castlevania Lords of Shadow's facebook page. I recommend that you take it so Konami can get feedback from the awesome people at the dungeon. Tell em' you love it or tell em' you hate it. ;D
https://www.facebook.com/lordsofshadow?sk=wall&filter=2 (https://www.facebook.com/lordsofshadow?sk=wall&filter=2)
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Eh, sure why not.
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I just completed it!!!
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It was a pretty good poll they're trying. I would encourage everyone to take it. It seems like something done due to fan concerns.
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It was really missing the "none" option or something similar when it asks where you got for opinions before buying a game. Sometimes I dont pay attention to any opinions.
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Participated. It's well constructed poll, and I hope they announce the verdict in some form later.
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Thanks for posting this. Just completed the survey, hope it helps them make LoS2 an even better game.
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That was a good questionnaire. I really really really would like to view the results.
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If this helps make's LoS2 into a better Castlevania game then Im in.
They should have dont this long before LoS1 came out, I guess the sequel announcement isn't too far off.
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You know, I think the sequel is far, far, far away. It seems that they are just starting development (according to twitter, they met with the screenwriter just 4 days ago!)
This poll is really exciting, it seems they are taking things to heart this time. I'm more pumped than ever,
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I'm hoping that the feedback makes them trash any plans for a LOS sequel. I want the poll results to make them go in a different direction completely.
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I'm hoping that the feedback makes them trash any plans for a LOS sequel. I want the poll results to make them go in a different direction completely.
lol Not gonna happen
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I've started it but I sometimes think the answer options haven't been all that well thought out or they are just designed to provide them with the positive feedback they want.
take the question "What did you expect most from Castlevania: Lords of Shadow?" they've got options for anime style graphics and 2D style gameplay (which I doubt anyone was expecting from LOS!) but nothing for some of the things they were actually promoting the game as for example a return to Castlevania's roots, the question is sorely in need of an "other" option. I guess I will just answer with what I was expecting most from the next Castlevania game which just happened to be LOS, as answering otherwise would give them the false impression that they fulfilled all of my expectations when they didn't.
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Yeah a few questions should have had "other" options, but as is its not bad.
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(according to twitter, they met with the screenwriter just 4 days ago!)
Hopefully this means they took the first one and booted his ass onto the street.
Wishful thinking, I know. If they can make an improved game though, it won't matter much. I'm not going to be watching the cutscenes more than once (unless they're the funny/cute ones, like the one introducing skeletons).
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Nice poll. Don't really care about LOS sequel.
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Took the poll as well, tried to be constructive in regards to Lords 2.
When I win that iPad, I will command your all's allegiance.
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Not if I win it. ;D
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Did it, hope they'll use it for LOS2! :)
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I don't agree with Konami putting their poll on Facebook. By doing this they aren't reaching the whole internet community ie people who don't use Facebook. I don't use Facebook myself so there's no way for me to contribute to the poll even though I'd like to.
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It's just a link on their Facebook wall. You don't need to have Facebook to see or use the poll.
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lol Not gonna happen
Why do you say that? Every single CV fan I know personally HATES los. It pretty much split the fanbase in two pieces, with the bigger piece giving a thumbs-down.
In fact, I thought everyone hated it until I saw a few here who liked it.
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Oyy... hate is a strong word to use. more like "didn't live up to [certain] expectations."
No one here really hates it (at least I don't); a lot of ppls opinions here range from "meh.. decent" to "good, well done," and the remaining 1% saying "excellent, best CV game to date!"
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I think I went a little overboard on the "why did LoS not fulfill all of your expectations" part of the survey.
Just finished.
I certainly don't hate LoS, I was definitely disappointed with it and voiced my displeasure like everyone else did, but it was probably one of 2010's best games. I kind of regret selling my copy, but then I remember how much I really didn't like the QTE's and the general likeness to God of War.
The sequel has plenty of room for possible improvement, and things like this will hopefully help it become a much more enjoyable and universally appreciated title.
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I know the only way I'll have an Apple product in my house is if I win one (I dislike the damn things)...
...but I do agree that the poll tries to catch what the fans' biggest concerns are, as well as what fans hold in high regard.
In the paragraph part of why it didn't live up to my expectations, I had to keep trimming to make the limit. I filled the damn thing.
Still, it's a good game. Just not that Castlevania-ish.
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I know the only way I'll have an Apple product in my house is if I win one (I dislike the damn things)...
...but I do agree that the poll tries to catch what the fans' biggest concerns are, as well as what fans hold in high regard.
In the paragraph part of why it didn't live up to my expectations, I had to keep trimming to make the limit. I filled the damn thing.
Still, it's a good game. Just not that Castlevania-ish.
Your last phrase is just what I said there. A good action game, but it's not Castlevania.
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Theres a difference.
"Not that Castlevania-ish" is not the same as "Not Castlevania"
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Oyy... hate is a strong word to use. more like "didn't live up to [certain] expectations."
No one here really hates it (at least I don't); a lot of ppls opinions here range from "meh.. decent" to "good, well done," and the remaining 1% saying "excellent, best CV game to date!"
Yes hate is a strong word - that's precisely why I use it often. It's so useful.
But anyways, I think that negative feelings about los can be really strong because there's the element of being let-down. There's excitement building up to the release date of the game. You got your calendar marked and the game already reserved/paid for. You run to the store to get it just as they open - and BAM! Shitty game. It can make one very bitter. Just look at Other M. I would never have recognized los as a castlevania game if the word castlevania was not in the title. It seems like a dirty trick to use the name of the franchise to make cv fans go out and buy a game, only to figure out very quickly that they've been had.
I'm not trying to debate, just saying what I think about it. I understand that other people don't see it the same way, and neither view is right or wrong. It's just different opinions.
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I'm happy that they're asking these questions. (Some of them were awkwardly worded. Like the name what you associate with LoS--the 5 "most important" things. Well, the things we associate it with may not be good, so I'm not sure if that part helps or hurts). Regardless, like Jorge, I had to trim a lot. Anyway, even if they keep the LoS story, I hope it causes them to change the approach to this interpretation of CV in gameplay and motif. I know they put a lot of effort into LoS, and their hearts seemed to be in the right place, but somewhere along the way it seemed they missed the mark on making a Castlevania game.
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I think they got so focused on making a "good game" they forgot to make it a "good CASTLEVANIA game".
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Although I didn't think the survey covered everything, I enjoyed it. It was kind of nice to feel constructive with criticism for once, while letting them know which aspects of the game were enjoyable.
...I just hope they take heed to my suggestions and add more macaroni and cheese into the sequel.
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I'm suprised they are even holding this poll. Despite the Castlevania Dungeon housing a lot of haterz, I don't think any of those complaints ever reached the LoS team. I guess it remains to be seen if anything is going to change at all with the sequel.
I basically told them to make the sequel more like Carmilla's castle and cut down on the high fantasy aspect.
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Filled it out. Gave them my honest opinion. My only regret was that there was no room for me to tell them that Dark Souls was more Castlevania for me than LoS was.
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I would never have recognized los as a castlevania game if the word castlevania was not in the title.
It's funny that you said this, because when the very first teaser for the game was unveiled, when LOS was just "Lords of Shadow", everyone said: "WOW, it looks like Castlevania!!".
Talking about how hatred affects one's opinion.
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It's funny that you said this, because when the very first teaser for the game was unveiled, when LOS was just "Lords of Shadow", everyone said: "WOW, it looks like Castlevania!!".
Talking about how hatred affects one's opinion.
At that point, nothing was announced about the game... it wasn't even Castlevania yet (and sorry, I don't buy the "it was supposed to be Castlevania since start" talk. That's bullshit.). I tought it was related to Castlevania too. The character even looked similar to Simon.
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I hope Konami will hear us, and wil never do "Castlevania" as Lords of Shadow ever again...
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I hope Konami will hear us, and wil never do "Castlevania" as Lords of Shadow ever again...
Unfortunatly, Konami has their fingers in their ears yelling "La la la la la Lords of Shadow 2 is coming out next year la la la la la!"At that point, nothing was announced about the game... it wasn't even Castlevania yet (and sorry, I don't buy the "it was supposed to be Castlevania since start" talk. That's bullshit.). I tought it was related to Castlevania too. The character even looked similar to Simon.
I remember someone posted a link in the LoS megathread about the original trailer and the reactions were pretty much that. Can't seem to find it though.
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Whew! done. After looking for the link on the Facebook site I filled it all out. I had just enough room to fully express my concerns about the game. One small step, but an important step none-the-less.
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I've always found funny how people not wanting something they desire that thing to not exist. I mean; the old games are still there; LOS didn't wipe all of previous games from existence; don't like it? fine! but don't act like it shouldn't exist... and know what.. it does now! and it came to stay and I really like how Konami is trying to acknowledge fan concerns to make it a better product for everyone. Few examples of a company doing that come to my mind but one of them is Mass Effect 2. you all know how it turned out.. One of the best games EVER. Hope MS is listening carefully but not messing up with what was right in the first place (variety of locales epic feel and stuff)
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Just be happy we're still getting Castlevania games period.
Capcom has fucked over and completely trolled megaman fans.
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Unfortunatly, Konami has their fingers in their ears yelling "La la la la la Lords of Shadow 2 is coming out next year la la la la la!"
Happily Konami want to make series profitable and popular once more, so they don't care about opinion of some old gamers.
I've always found funny how people not wanting something they desire that thing to not exist. I mean; the old games are still there; LOS didn't wipe all of previous games from existence; don't like it? fine! but don't act like it shouldn't exist...
I find more sad than funny.
I mean for some people the mere existence of something they don't like under the name of their favorite franchise, is just like a fucking horrible crime that render the rest of the series invalid or something. It's stupid, I think.
By that logic practically any old series must be an object of hatred by its own fans because they've done few things that some part of them disliked...wait... :'(
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it wasn't even Castlevania yet (and sorry, I don't buy the "it was supposed to be Castlevania since start" talk. That's bullshit.).
Ok...the Simon Belmont prototype footage, which obviously preceded the Lords of Shadow, looked identical to the final product. It even had the same castle...the same ghouls...the whip was the same as the Combat Cross.
The main difference was the hero was Simon instead of Gabriel.
Given that the aforementioned footage preceded the teaser with Gabriel wielding that same looking whip, it would make zero since for Konami to simultaneously develop a relaunch of Castlevania and another unrelated yet identical-looking game called "Lords of Shadow."
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I dunno, they almost did so with Silent Hill 4. It was supposed to be a completely new horror series before making it part of Silent Hill partially through development.
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Happily Konami want to make series profitable and popular once more, so they don't care about opinion of some old gamers.
If the franchise isnt profitable, it doesnt get any new games. LoS is on the path to making Castlevania profitable again, and bringing it back into public consciousness again so that it stays that way.
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Why do you say that? Every single CV fan I know personally HATES los. It pretty much split the fanbase in two pieces, with the bigger piece giving a thumbs-down.
In fact, I thought everyone hated it until I saw a few here who liked it.
Well, it is the best-selling recent game, so I think people who have problems with it are actually in the minority.
I'm sort of in the middle of the road on it. What really got to me were the quotes from Cox saying that lower than 8 review scores just don't "get" Castlevania. Give me a fucking break. I know the game is his and MS's baby, so it does kind of suck to hear people rag on it, but c'mon, no game is perfect. There is always room for improvement.
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Castlevania has been profitable, why would IGA be saying in interviews since 2005 "if this game sells, then we'll make another, it's up to the fans," if the series wasn't selling it's expectations.
They just want astronomical MGS numbers, which is why Kojima Production's logo is on the box.
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I dunno, they almost did so with Silent Hill 4. It was supposed to be a completely new horror series before making it part of Silent Hill partially through development.
We got the original prototype video. It has SImon Belmont. LoS was always going to be a CV game, it's not an assumption, is a fact.
Also, it's NOT true that Silent Hill the Room was not going to be a Silent HIll game, it was going to be a SPINOFF then they changed it to NUMBERED SEQUEL. It's all that happened with the game, oh, and it was made by the (unexistent) Team Silent, so yeah...
"We started off with the title Room 302, but if the Silent Hill didn't exist then we still had the idea of Room 302. Without Silent Hill we didn't have this title, but because we did have Silent Hill we wanted to have something different, but it's kind of a mixture of ideas."
Eurogamer interview
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survey was fun, i got a kick out of checking all the CV games they listed. i was expecting more chances to add comments though. the one big time was the question "did this game meet your expectations", and yes, it was what i was expecting before i started playing, so i didn't have anything to say.
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I basically told them to make the sequel more like Carmilla's castle and cut down on the high fantasy aspect.
Same here the tech demo was more castlevania than lords,and to tell the truth I had alot to say but not enough words for it the max was only like 1024 or something. Some of the things I typed down were that it needed some camera control, the frame rate, and way better platforming that is way closer to 2d cv(it is very possible to do that mario 3d land has proven that you can take that classic 2d feeling and put it into 3d).
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The intention was always that Lords of Shadow was going to be a CV game, but they weren't sure if the higher ups at Konami would be ok with that. So during the early developements stages they had to make the game seem a bit...different than what you would normally expect from the series. This clearly shows when playing the Land of the Lycans portion of the game.
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I can't seem to do the survey, every time I click the link in their post it just takes me to some german website and I can't read anything.
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It's funny that you said this, because when the very first teaser for the game was unveiled, when LOS was just "Lords of Shadow", everyone said: "WOW, it looks like Castlevania!!".
Talking about how hatred affects one's opinion.
In this case, the hatred is actually inspiring exaggeration and smart-ass-ness. It's my way of saying that it wasn't nearly CV enough.
Well, it is the best-selling recent game, so I think people who have problems with it are actually in the minority.
I'm sort of in the middle of the road on it. What really got to me were the quotes from Cox saying that lower than 8 review scores just don't "get" Castlevania. Give me a fucking break. I know the game is his and MS's baby, so it does kind of suck to hear people rag on it, but c'mon, no game is perfect. There is always room for improvement.
Maybe everyone I know hates it because we're all around 40 years old and have been playing CV since it started. It's not just CV/LOS, I've noticed major opinion differences in many gaming 'controversies' that can almost be separated by the player's age. It could be that our perception of the franchise is way different having experienced each game chronologically, or it could just be that we're old farts who don't like change.
It happened with Metroid when Other M came out, and with CV when LOS came out - but somehow the Zelda series has remained highly favored despite a lot of change. I haven't put my finger on exactly what the difference is, though.
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It happened with Metroid when Other M came out, and with CV when LOS came out - but somehow the Zelda series has remained highly favored despite a lot of change. I haven't put my finger on exactly what the difference is, though.
Hahahah what?? Each new Zelda has the innovation of every MetoidVania (Hey, you can ride a horse, oh no now you can ride boats, wait, now you ARE the wolf, zOMG isn't this giant avatar bird you can ride beautiful?) That's why it's favored better, because it hasn't changed a bit since Ocarina (and LTTP talking about 2D ones)
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Ahasverus, you're kind of getting a little too mad at an observation that branching off with different IPs isn't exactly new. I wasn't trying to prove that Lords was never a different IP, I was just pointing out that it's not without precedent. You're trying to 'prove' an argument with someone who wasn't even arguing with you.
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It's funny that you said this, because when the very first teaser for the game was unveiled, when LOS was just "Lords of Shadow", everyone said: "WOW, it looks like Castlevania!!".
Talking about how hatred affects one's opinion.
I agree, it DID look CV in that teaser alone, but could you blame people from thinking that. You basically had Gabriel in an old tomb-like area, kneeling before an alter, then the Ogre busting through the wall. Just that, alone felt somewhat CV-ish. It wasn't until we got the concept art cards(that were released with swag package) that I started to feel different of about the approach. The art of Pan, Lady of the Forest, and such, felt very un-Castlevania-ish, IMO. When they initially tried to tell us that "Lords of Shadow" was to be a "Dark fairy tale", the thought of "Castlevania" was driven farther from my mind.
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I agree, it DID look CV in that teaser alone, but could you blame people from thinking that.
I am not talking about what people think about final version of LOS this time.
It was just weird that he said that LOS-teaser didn't look like Castlevania for the most people, when practically everyone said otherwise.
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Hahahah what?? Each new Zelda has the innovation of every MetoidVania (Hey, you can ride a horse, oh no now you can ride boats, wait, now you ARE the wolf, zOMG isn't this giant avatar bird you can ride beautiful?) That's why it's favored better, because it hasn't changed a bit since Ocarina (and LTTP talking about 2D ones)
I disagree. You can definitely point out similarities between zelda titles, but they have released zelda games that took major risks and were very different than their predecessors yet still managed to be beloved by almost everyone. Majoras Mask, Phantom Hourglass, Wind Waker - they all took major departures from what people were used to. There was some initial resistance, but in the end those changes were embraced. I still remember everyones shock the first time they saw toon link, and all the rage that came the first time everyone heard that he would be on a train. lol good times
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Again, we are comparing to Nintendo here... Nintendo does as Nintendo pleases because they have guaranteed sales for anything Mario, Zelda or Pokemon.
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Again, we are comparing to Nintendo here... Nintendo does as Nintendo pleases because they have guaranteed sales for anything Mario, Zelda or Pokemon.
How in the world no, the universe happens is beyond me.
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It wants me to log in.
Edit: looks like it has closed. But the damn thing wouldn't let me in a couple of days ago either. And it was auf Deutsch.
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Again, we are comparing to Nintendo here... Nintendo does as Nintendo pleases because they have guaranteed sales for anything Mario, Zelda or Pokemon.
I agree that they have guaranteed sales, but that wouldn't be true anymore if they started making shitty games.
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the game was meh, didnt have anything really to make it feel castlevania, I felt like I was playing a cross over of god of war, in fable's universe, I mean envirment and character talking wise, they could have hired real voice actors, but eh slapping hollywoood actors in a game doesnt make it good usually, the enviroments I found i kept thinking back to fable 1 and fable 2, with all the forest mountainous areas, hell even fable 3, but the game in general lacked a good musical score that we've come to expect from castlevania, I dont consider the mini stage muisc box to count, the story could have been fleshed out more too, especially with kojima on the wagon, tho I dont like his over use of cutscenes in game, anyways my rant is over