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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Saner on January 06, 2008, 04:26:04 PM
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why would they shove a cell phone game project to the American branch? cause they know the cell phone game will suck and just wanna milk profits off the title. Maybe Konami of America developers wanted to make a Castlevania
game. but Konami of Japan was like "okay, but we aren't gonna give you a console-sized or even a DS/PSP-sized budget. you can just make a cell phone game."
SOOO MUCH POTENTIAL wasted.
IGA seriously should pick up Order of Shadows, give
Desmond a new makeover, give Dolores and Zoe bigger roles,
and the whole story in general more depth as well as
overhauling the gameplay to at least SOTN quality, but with
perhaps Rondo level of difficulty.
but the tragic thing is that Konami is just gonna brush that game under the rug and pretend it never happened. what a shame.
while its not official timeline material, it still holds a lot of untapped quality in the characters
and concept, even though we have seen the "stop villain from resurrecting Dracula" before.
I mean even the subtitle screams awesomeness.
If only Konami wasn't so cheap as to just toss it out like half-baked material only collectors would be interested in.
"oh yeah! My Castlevania collection will be complete with this!" yeah right, a useless game you won't feel like playing except to prove you played it. :P
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I wish they'd remake the old ones, into 3d with a good story, but that'll never happen. I havne't played order of shadows but I think I'll avoid it, cellphone games are the fail. Unless its ..... its cartoony, and those usually suck too.
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Well, look at it from a business point. Castlevania's a popular franchise, especially in the US and for some reason here in America, bad cell phone games sell. I'm sure Konami just saw this as a way to make a few extra bucks and the fact that it is actually a new game and not just a remake makes most fans of the series more eager to actually play it.
Yeah, it would be awesome if the CV team picked it up and actually made it into a full game, but I doubt that'll happen, but you never know.
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Well, I don't see why Konami of Japan would wanna make the japanese Castlevania-staff unemployed by giving the Castlevania franchise away to america. Do you think the staff would be pleased to hear that they can no longer work on their baby, even if it's only for one or two major installments? IGA could probably sue Konami if they took it away from him, seeing how the series is probably more popular now than ever (except maybe for a short while back in the late 80s). And it's thanks to him, like it or not. He probably has that job for life.
I think there's a whole lot more to game development than just giving away a franchise to different people on the other side of the world. Even if they work for the same company. Especially since the people beind Castlevania seem to focus on Castlevania alone and not much else.
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Oh, about Order of Shadows. I wish I could try the damn game, but it's not coming to europe as far as I know.
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First of all, IGA could not sue Konami over them giving antoher group a Castlevania to work on. CV is owned by Konami and if IGA ever leaves the company it's still owned by Konami.
For Example, the creator of Final Fantasy left Square to start his own company, Mist Walker. He no longer has the Final Fantasy rights, they're owned by Square.
Also, in a recent interview with IGA he mentions that a lot of the work on Dracula X Chronicles was out-sourced to other countries completely.
Lastly, I doubt Konami and Iga really care about Order of Shadows. Its a poorly made cell phone game. It probably took a fraction of the time and resources to make. There's no way thats going to make the CV staff unemployed. Remember, it's still a business first.
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In Reply To #5
All I'm saying is you don't take away someone's job for no apparent reason, at least not where I'm from. But then again, I don't know much about working conditions in Japan. If IGA fails to live up to whatever Konamis expectations are, then yes, they should probably fire him. But I'm under the impression Konami is rather pleased overall, with the possible exception of the ps2 vanias.
I didn't mean he could literally sue Konami, but there must be some kind of... dunno... "game developers union" or sumthang!
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It probably took a fraction of the time and resources to make.
Well seeing that it's so full of rondo/sotn sprite edits and downgraded sotn sprites that probably was the case.
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I'm sure they could think of other unique subtitles. They just need to stop using the word of in the middle of everything. "Castlevania: The Cursed Demon" or something odd like that
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the series is probably more popular now than ever (except maybe for a short while back in the late 80s). And it's thanks to [Igarashi], like it or not. He probably has that job for life.
Japanese bussinesses are all about "What have you done for me lately?" Hironobu Sakaguchi put Square on the map with Final Fantasy, but after The Spirits Within cost them hundreds of millions of dollars, leading to Enix buying them out, he was pushed to the sidelines and given little choice but to eventually resign. The same went for Gunpei Yokoi, the inventor of the Game & Watch and Game Boy, after the Virtual Boy flopped; as well as Ken Kutaragi, the father of the PlayStation and PlayStation 2, once the PS3 began to fail corporate expectations.
So, no, if Igarashi continues to push out duds like Lament, Curse, and Portrait, his position is anything but secure.
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Japanese bussinesses are all about "What have you done for me lately?"
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will someone upload the damn thing please :P
but god of war wasn't all that great on cell phone so maybe OoS isn't too good.
but still like to play it being a castlevania fan:)
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I always thought Yokoi was killed in a car accident and not fired?
He was killed in a car accident about a year after he resigned from his position at Nintendo. He worked on the Wonderswan for Bandai before he died.
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He was killed in a car accident about a year after he resigned from his position at Nintendo. He worked on the Wonderswan for Bandai before he died.
oh okay, yeah metroid just hasn't been the same since he died.
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In Reply To #11
Order Of Shadows was better than the God Of War game.
I liked OoS honestly. For a little cell phone game, it's pretty good and kinda fun.
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I don't even have a cell phone, so I can check it out... :( Oh well, I'm probably not missing anything, just frustration...lol
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For all I know, OoS was just a KCEA plan.
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I'd really like to see Order of Shadows get an actual release. The first Belmont in a CV game and years and it is dropped onto a cell phone? This game could've been on DS where I think it would have sold pretty well.
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OoS is a game I would have killed for on, say, the Game Gear. Too bad it's A) on a damned phone and B) not released in 1994.
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OoS is a game I would have killed for on, say, the Game Gear. Too bad it's A) on a damned phone and B) not released in 1994.
if it does well I'm sure they'll port it to something else as like an extra in the next CV portable title or for PC download. (probably for a small price as the game is only like 6 bones right now)
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I always thought Yokoi was killed in a car accident and not fired? And that standard really goes for almost all major corporations worldwide. You either make money or they find somebody who will, if the business isn't making a profit your spot's always in Jeopardy.
Sony bailed Square out of FF:TSW money hole hence the long standing contract of main titled "Final Fantasy" games are for the sony game console even to this day- the "Main" Final Fantasy is for PS1/2/3 etc- Enix was a result of even more square money sinkage
atleast the technology they built from - 000101011 up for the spirits within is getting alot of use with squeenix's wonderfully done CGI :-)
--Edit: bah wrong quote...oh well stupid button!! :-D
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I highly doubt Konami looks down on American developers considering Contra 4 was handled by an American company.
Haven't played Order of Shadows, but it's a cell phone game. It probably sucks and looks like ass and so forth because it is a cell phone game.
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It's a shame that Castlevania has been disgraced by having a cell phone game. It really should have had a better version. I think it's about time for another console title...
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In Reply To #21
Uh, I might be in the minority here, but I think Order of Shadows is better than HoD.
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In Reply To #21
Uh, I might be in the minority here, but I think Order of Shadows is better than HoD.
o_O
OoS didn't look bad for a cellphone game, though I was only able to play like...1 minute of it. It was a little ambitious for them to make a metroidvania CV for a cell phone for starters.
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In Reply To #24
I had more fun wiht OoS than I did with HoD. OoS didn't drag on, it got to the point, had some cool weapons, some decent music, and a story that is really no worse than most of the Castleroid stories. Just my 2 cents, but...
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Well, I don't know if I'd go as far as to say Order was better than Harmony, but I think next to Legends, Harmony is my least favorite. At least Harmony was a full game on a great system. I do think that Order and the Order characters have good potential. I think with Desmond's sisters they could explain where the Morris' and the Renard's come into the story and how they're related to the Belmont's
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In Reply To #26
Except as it is placed now Desmond seems to be Simon's father or grandfather. The game's placed in the late 1600s from what I heard.
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OoS will mkost likely be removed from the canon.
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It was already removed from the canon when they pitched the idea to IGA.
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Oh, good.
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In Reply To #29
when did he remove it from the canon? The last article I read about OoS said that they used Iga's input for the basic idea of the game.
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OoS will mkost likely be removed from the canon.
Considering it was never released in JP it probably wasn't meant to fit in with the existing canon. Just a nice cheap extra for cell phone owners looking for something new to play cheap.
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In Reply To #32
I didn't even know OoS was canon in the first place! Is it really?
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In Reply To #31
The IGN interview with the lead developer of OoS said that IGA told them it had to be made from a gaiden standpoint, as it fudges with the whole 100-years from Christopher to Simon.
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Sure glad Iga's always followed that rule. oh wait...
Seems like Iga thinks he's the only one who can make a "real" castlevania.
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In Reply To #35
I know! It's like he completely disreguards the other games before the ones he made because he didn't actually make them! Damn that IGA, always ruining everything! See my hair?! Look what he did to my hair!
Wait...
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In Reply To #35
In CoD and PoR, his resurrections were always dismissed as incomplete, hence why he could be killed by non-Belmonts. And of course HoD didn't really have Dracula's Castle in the first place, moreso than a Castle summoned by Maxim's other half. Even the Dracula Wraith acted like it didn't really understand who it was, considering how it referred to Dracula in the third person.
So yes, IGA has been observant of preserving the 100 year rule. Besides, his timeline somewhat implies it's only a legend formed during the events of Castlevania Adventure.
I'm sorry about your hair, ChibiMaddiChan. If IGA didn't have such a sick mind as to retcon the 64 games and CotM, your hair would've been normal and the world wouldn't be so unstable.
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I like Iga's Castlevania's better than the rest. I think he is best at making Castlevania games.
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I'm not saying the guy is the devil. I'm just making the observation that since he started making CV games, all others not made by him aren't considered true.
I like the guy's games, he's just not that great of a story teller. And since his are the majority of ideas that are being created, and all other ideas that might happen to get through are considered not really what happened, the CV genepool is getting a little thin.
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Eh, I agree with you there. Fresh ideas would be better than "Okay, degrade the level design to hallways and shelves, throw in more enemies and weapons to compensate for it, have an extended sub-weapon system, and hope the players won't notice." They've been doing that since the Sorrow games, and it's gotten old. Fast.
I'd rather play, well, a visually stunning game with varied backgrounds and enemies instead of a hallway-runner hack n' slash.
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In Reply To #35
I know! It's like he completely disreguards the other games before the ones he made because he didn't actually make them! Damn that IGA, always ruining everything! See my hair?! Look what he did to my hair!
Wait...
no he doesn't, just the crappy ones and the ones that were made just to rake in cash. (COTM and legends aside they're two of my fav's maybe he'll put them back in someday, it would be cool to see the belmonts give the VK to the graves who then give to the morris's later)
In Reply To #35
In CoD and PoR, his resurrections were always dismissed as incomplete, hence why he could be killed by non-Belmonts. And of course HoD didn't really have Dracula's Castle in the first place, moreso than a Castle summoned by Maxim's other half. Even the Dracula Wraith acted like it didn't really understand who it was, considering how it referred to Dracula in the third person.
So yes, IGA has been observant of preserving the 100 year rule. Besides, his timeline somewhat implies it's only a legend formed during the events of Castlevania Adventure.
I'm sorry about your hair, ChibiMaddiChan. If IGA didn't have such a sick mind as to retcon the 64 games and CotM, your hair would've been normal and the world wouldn't be so unstable.
Don't forget legends. ;)
Eh, I agree with you there. Fresh ideas would be better than "Okay, degrade the level design to hallways and shelves, throw in more enemies and weapons to compensate for it, have an extended sub-weapon system, and hope the players won't notice." They've been doing that since the Sorrow games, and it's gotten old. Fast.
I'd rather play, well, a visually stunning game with varied backgrounds and enemies instead of a hallway-runner hack n' slash.
there has to be a balance though, which Iga has only been able to really accomplish with SOTN. You don't want to be like the early n64 games and be all flash, but you don't want to be like the Super Star Wars games on the SNES and be all substance either. God those games were aweful what was Lucas arts thinking!?
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In Reply To #41
Tuxedo Mark, is that you? O_o
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In Reply To #41
Um, I wasn't being serious with my post, hence the hair comment at the end. I've played enough Castlevania and heard more than enough people whine about which games he actually did sack to know better. (Don't let the post count fool you, I've been here a while, just not recently. :D )
But yeah, I actually did hate that he got rid of COTM and N64 games (seriously a little tweaking to the story (esp. to the 64 games) and it could have fit.)
Though I will agree that he does need to bring something fresh to the series. It doesn't have to be a complete overhaul and I don't mind playing the games he makes now but just...something else.