I hate feminists. They are all retarded. Their solution to a Patriarchal Society is a Matriarchal Society.
They aren't about fairness, just flipping the side of the coin. And many feminists do just that, mention the parts where they are "abused" or "underrated" yet completely ignoring the parts where they aren't because of their agenda. So, fuck em!
I notice that she uses a clip from Legacy of Darkness as an example of the "helpless woman in distress", but fails to mention the female protagonist in that game.
m waiting for Metroid, Valis, Alisia Dragon and a plenty more, like X-Men, Street Fighter 2, Xena, Resident Evil, etc. I want to see if she will "omit" things, like games or franchisesYou know if she does bring up any more positive female characters in videogames they will probably be accompanied by a "but..."
You know if she does bring up any more positive female characters in videogames they will probably be accompanied by a "but..."
I hate feminists. They are all retarded. Their solution to a Patriarchal Society is a Matriarchal Society.
They aren't about fairness, just flipping the side of the coin. And many feminists do just that, mention the parts where they are "abused" or "underrated" yet completely ignoring the parts where they aren't because of their agenda. So, fuck em!
Well, that's a very broad statement and while it applies to some people who call themselves feminists it ignores the different movements and perspectives within feminism itself. While you can find some truly ignorant and bewilderingly bigoted people under the banner of feminism, not all feminists are men-hating, and many do want to approach gender equality rather than a matriarchy. I try not to prejudge people who call themselves feminists for this reason.
They're not all that way.
In fact, there's a story that very channel is doing on just that: the Straw Feminist... you know, the ones that fall into extremism.
#6 The Straw Feminist (Tropes vs. Women) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnJxqRLg9x0#ws)
In Paper Mario, she gets ahold of the only star able to grant small wishes, and slowly, aids Mario from afar. She gets to evade her captors in order to get things done.
In Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, she has a more prevalent role, though she was still kidnapped at first (that was an army after her). She is able to outsmart her guards and get stuff done around the base where she's kidnapped (she sneaks around again).
Miyamoto never was progressive socially. He's too old-fashioned. I think he just has a twisted sense of humor sometimes.
Ok Jorge, ball's in your court. Post as many examples as you can find of women being abducted and escaping on their own. Let's be fair: post examples of men too. I don't mean in video games and movies or TV shows, I mean in real life. An abductee is usually damned lucky to even still be alive. Most of the time, a police officer or military squad saves the person. Yes, video games often make it seem so easy to escape, but no one would play the game if you had to sit there for 32 hours waiting for your abductor let his guard down. I've often played games that start with you trying to escape and have literally blurted out at the TV, "That would never happen in real life!" The damsel-in-distress in video games, except for a few cases, is always the ideal -- the guy shows up to defeat the villain and save the girl. Would girl in video no.1 rather have the game show the girl slap the guy, lock herself in her room shooting heroin, then slice her wrists open? That might pass in a N.A.R.C. sequel, but not in Mario.
And she showed Irene from Ninja Gaiden in that video! Irene's not a damsel in distress capable of saving herself! She only had a gun! Guns don't do shit to demons in Ninja Gaiden, you need a flippin' sword and fire jutsu.
The girl in the last video posted essentially argues that Hollywood created feminism. Feminists created it. Hollywood only shows what the writers see. I see those girls in the vids and they talk exactly like the Hollywood feminists. The Hollywood extreme feminist I never have approved of is the buzz-cut or butch feminist. That's a dyke, not a feminist. If she said, "Hollywood makes all feminists out to be dykes," I'd agree with that.
And I didn't insult anyone, I criticized her looks. Girl 1 is ugly in a flannel shirt. Who the fuck even wears flannel these days? That's a lumberjack's outfit. Girl or guy, flannel is a fashion faux pas.
If Rush Limbaugh coined Feminazi, I'd believe it. That guy's an idiot. I tried watching his show when he was on TV in my college days and I couldn't stand listening to him. Should change his name to Bullroarer Rush. A feminazi is a girl that thinks women are equal to men and should all work together for the benefit of the whole country by waging war against Jews. For Rush to even throw out the word "Nazi" discredits him completely.
Everything about this woman screams "obnoxious twat" to me. Not that this warrants the verbal abuse and threats of violence she received, but it's kind of cute the way she uses those reactions to "further her point," instead of addressing any critical analysis of her "work."
The same could be said of all Youtube vlogs.Your words are empty as your soul. Mankind ill doesnt need a savior such as you.
Wow, someone is guilty of male prejudice.
Actually, though the original article talks about the core Mario games, in which Peach is indeed the damsel in distress, when one plays the side-story Mario games, one can clearly see Peach's point of view on a lot of things, and she actually manages to get a lot done.
No one has ever said the girl NEVER fights back. It's just not shown that the girl fights back. Not that tit happens all that much very effectively in real life.
Not that tit happens all that much very effectively in real life.
The same could be said of all Youtube vlogs.
People will always be opposed to equal rights for SOMEONE because if everyone gets equal rights, then they won't get special rights and that's just not fair.
Everything about this woman screams "obnoxious twat" to me. Not that this warrants the verbal abuse and threats of violence she received, but it's kind of cute the way she uses those reactions to "further her point," instead of addressing any critical analysis of her "work."
I won't bother watching her videos.
What?! She wants money? All that money?! It sounds like oportunism to me, I thought that she only wanted some "likes" and "retweets". I liked her video, but that isn't cool.
No one has ever said the girl NEVER fights back. It's just not shown that the girl fights back.
Not that tit happens all that much very effectively in real life. Maybe it's a lesson for kids, too: If you ever get abducted, don't fight back, wait for a hero to come save you. I'm saying I acknowledge that abductions happen to just about anyone.
Of course women are objects, as are guys. Do you have substance? Does she have substance? ...At least the damsels-in-distress in video games are shown to have worth.And what is the worth they are shown to have? A brilliant personality, are they strong, smart, resourceful? No, they sit there quietly and look pretty waiting for men to rescue them. Now just try to remember you've seen a male character portrayed with those qualities that you would call "positive".
Does everyone here simply want a video game that's more realistic where a girl gets kidnapped and the protagonist says, "Someone please save my girlfriend for me!"? Or maybe a game where the guy gets abducted and the female protagonist says, "Screw that loser. If he can't fend for himself, I don't want anything more to do with him. Look at me, I can do better than him and everyone knows it."?
And I didn't insult anyone, I criticized her looks. Girl 1 is ugly in a flannel shirt. Who the fuck even wears flannel these days? That's a lumberjack's outfit. Girl or guy, flannel is a fashion faux pas.
What?! She wants money? All that money?! It sounds like oportunism to me, I thought that she only wanted some "likes" and "retweets". I liked her video, but that isn't cool.
Its hilarious, a bunch of people really needing money in the world and they donate that amount for this?! The donator doesnt even asked for that much. Im disgusted. Thats one of these stories thats better doesnt know about, but now that I already read this the harm has already been made. Why they have thrown so many money away if she only asked for $6,000? I could even understand if she really needed that amount, but she doesnt. Also research about old games could be done totally for free, unless they are extremely obscure and not in english.
LET'S PLAY SOME BINGO![/spoiler]
Let's read this thread again, and see how many of these examples show up. Maybe have a shot of your favorite booze for each time it comes up.
If you complete a line, congrats, this thread is full of male privilege! But don't fret, you'll be too drunk to give a shit.(click to show/hide)
As I already said, the video really made me think. The damsel in distress plot in gaming was so overused it makes you think whether those plots actually make the wife / girlfriend appear like stolen property of the hero that he needs to recover, being the knight on white horse and all.
At least Symphony of the Night strays from the path with Maria coming to rescue Richter. Take that, feminists! ;D
Also, this.
Female Armor Sucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTGh0EMmMC8#noexternalembed-ws)
That would make you either B2 or O5. ;)
Jorgey-sama, art thou a feminist? :(
I hope to some day live in a world where there is more equality, but it's probably just a dream of mine.
Social equality may be an admirable goal--at least to you, which is understandable coming from your background.
someone who wasn't just trying to hold onto their own privilege
That would be every person on Earth, Ratty. We are all "privileged" in some way. A female minority lesbian is still better off than a female minority lesbian who's blind, who's still more "privileged" than a female minority lesbian who's blind and deaf, and so on, and so forth.
but about fair and equal pay for equal work, equal respect and equal opportunities based on the merits of the individual rather than circumstances brought about by happenstance such as place of birth, race/sexuality/gender etc.
We're going to be critical of porn because porn is bad.
So let's JUMP INTO damsels in distress.freud.jpg
Does real life really have a big bearing on media entertainment and vice versa, shaping the outlook one has for fellow human beings? Can stuff that would perhaps be wrong IRL be acceptable in fiction given the fact it's not real? Can art be allowed to venture in whatever territory it pleases without being consumed by the all-destroying disease of political correctness? Or are y'all just a buncha La Blue Girl-hatin' ninnies? >:O
'Tis a fair point, and one I've heard before, but so long as humans are humans I don't believe "unearned" privilege will ever disappear. Human beings are irrational--not invariably so (I would hope we here at the CVD are exceptions, after all) but generally so, I think it is fair to say. As much as they would like to pretend otherwise, even subconsciously, people judge others based on characteristics which are apparently irrelevant. Not just race/gender/sexuality but even things like height! There have been several studies which show that tall people make more money generally, even when you wouldn't expect it (see http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/Careers/02/02/cb.tall.people/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/Careers/02/02/cb.tall.people/index.html)). So long as our hindbrains influence our behavior, consciously or not, I have little hope 'unearned' privilege will ever be a thing of the past--I suppose we can try to fight it, but I consider our prospects of success low.
I wonder whether you can, for instance, try to analyze Japanese culture by studying Japanese anime and hentai.
I remember I had a conversation with a girl who said that there's this thing in Japan that Japanese girls always behave shy and passive during intercourse, to the point where they're always acting like they don't want it.
It sounds very, very disturbing from the Western point of view, but perhaps the Japanese conservative culture makes women who behave that way more desirable in the male's perspective. :P
You can say "It's just a game/book/movie etc." but if you're afraid of your favorite pieces of media being examined it stands to reason that, consciously or unconsciously, you're afraid there might be something wrong with them. Or more to the point, that the employed tropes and the messages they convey might shine a light on something unpleasant in your own views or tastes.
"If you watch any horror movies, like if you watch the Aliens series, the chances are whatever is horrible has to do with vaginas, pregnancy, childbirth, wet stuff. It's just all there."...
It's not that I care if somebody says that my tastes and worldviews (which don't often match up; honestly, "what you enjoy is an extension of yourself" doesn't ring true) are "bad" or what have you, it's that a person like Sarkeesian usually doesn't bring this kind of attention to something without a grander scheme of wanting to do away with such a thing. She obviously hates the portrayal of women in video games and wishes for change. It's not a challenge of one's desires that gets people's feathers riled up; it's a threat that perhaps someday, certain things will be deemed inappropriate and not allowed in the art medium of video games, which will get pummeled considering its relatively young age and its perception as children's entertainment first and foremost, and because weak-minded people are too eager to follow along with such a crusade.
And I'm saying that art should be allowed to exist without pressure (or worse, LAW, should it ever get that far--and we know all too well that there are many politicians who'd like to regulate video games) to steer it a certain way and dumb it down because a group of folks don't like boobies in video games. If all they wanna do is try to encourage developers to create more strong female leads, I'm cool with that, but what I've seen of Sarkeesian, she comes across as very damning.
Personally I find most of the phallic/yonic readings into horror movies fucking absurd and faux-intellectual bullshit.
Arguing that Aliens is vaginophobic is bullshit, I agree; but the horror series really is sexual in nature. The Xenomorphs were initially phallic beings. The adult Xenomorph's head, maw, and -- to an extent -- tail were all phallic in nature and intent (H.G. Giger's artwork). Aside from the Queen, the only aspect of them that was feminine was the chestburster stage, and that I think had less to do with vaginophobia and more to do with "What the fuck is this thing growing inside of me?!?!"
Something akin to a butcher's knife, mostly.
I'm sure there's some crap someone's thought up about the kitchen knife as a home appliance and that's somehow related to women in these movies as well.
Your girlfriend is intelligent (and assumedly beautiful) ratty-sama :D :D
Well, yeah, Giger's a glorious loon, but how many artists working in horror movies have that kind of vision? I'm expressing dislike mostly for how the no-no parts critique applies to slasher films: knife is a penis, virginal survival girl empowers herself with the penis in the end, blah blah blah bullshit. That explanation only works in Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon because it's a smart comedy, faux-documentary bent on deconstructing the slasher formula.
Anyone else find it a little funny that no actual ladies have weighed in on this yet? I mean, I've just been posting explanations if yaeba & 2 videos that were medium grade relevant to the core topic.
I have opinions on it, sure, but to be perfectly honest I just don't feel like taking the time to organize & type them all out here on a smartphone (laptop isn't accessible at the moment). In a nutshell though, I agree that Sarkeesian isn't the authority on this that she'd like us & herself to believe she is. As Ratty's gf said, why would you make college sophomore thesis grade video if you had close to $160,000 under your belt? I know it's gonna be a series, but damn-you holding out for celebrity cameos or something? The material's been done to death too. Oh, and she actually flubbed up by making some claims & critiques about Bayonetta before fully understanding the game-needless to say, that video got pulled without much of a peep.
She's absolutely entitled to speak her mind & I'd defend that right with everything in me, for anyone who was being threatened with censorship & silence. I have that same right however & I'm using it to say that I don't care for Ms. Sarkeesian & her ways. Of course I'm not denying that she's made a few points-but that doesn't mean I can't use what little brains I've been blessed with to pick through her material & call attention to what I find doesn't quite add up.
It's kind of hard to argue sex isn't a part of it though. Especially when in slasher movies after a woman shows her breasts/has sex she's usually killed soon if not immediately afterward. Sure the real-world explanation for this is probably director/producers not wanting to pay the actress for a longer shoot after she's "filled her primary purpose" of titillating the audience. But how about some specific examples -
Norman Bates killed women to whom he was sexually attracted out of a weird guilt complex over his dead mother, and the slashers who followed him took similar courses. Micheal Myers kills his sister after she has sex and is still topless. Decades later going on a rampage primarily targeting promiscuous teenagers. Jason drowned as a result of inattentive promiscuous teenagers and as a result follows in his mothers footsteps to kill same. And it's been about a decade since I've seen a Nightmare on Elmstreet movie but if I recall he was at least an implied molester as well as murderer before and after his death. Whether you buy the specific example of giant-knife-as-penis metaphor or not, these iconic characters and many of their imitators are literally products of sexual dysfunction.
This phenomena has been recognized by the horror film community itself for decades. Long time horror and drive-in movie critic Joe Bob Briggs (real name John Bloom) codified it as the second of the "3 B's" of B-movies in his drive-in oath of "Blood, Breasts and Beasts" and listed it in his satirical essential rules to make a horror movie (http://www.joebobbriggs.com/index.php?/how-to-make-a-horror-film-the-essential-rules.html) list of cliches.
Good point, I guess that just highlights how small the female population on this board is.Maybe if you guys stops talking about vaginas and penises it can change... >.>
This get's boring after awhile you kind of know what's going to happen hence the cliches and stuff but there has to be one where it completely turns the whole perceived notion of how a horror movie should be at least in our generation but I doubt it or maybe there are independent horror films maybe psychological ?
Not the biggest horror fan in the world which is very odd seeing as how my pops watches channels like sci-fi and chiller.
Maybe if you guys stops talking about vaginas and penises it can change... >.>
Maybe if you guys stops talking about vaginas and penises it can change... >.>
Oh the horror genre is a very diverse one, but the "promiscuous girls get killed" and "lone, usually virginal female survivor" tropes are big in the slasher sub-genre. Especially in the 80s when that sub-genre was hugely popular. The formula got mixed up a little during the short, awful self-aware slasher revival of the 90s that followed the success of "Scream" but it's usually fairly rigid. Something "Scream" itself commented on in a "ironically pointing it out" 90s kind of way.
I'd like to step in and say that I love horror movies and have since I was a little kid (though mostly I like old monster movies rather than more recent gore-fests that's a matter of personal taste) I'm not trying to condemn them here, just to examine them and the messages they send.
Eh I don't think this particular topic is turning away too many women Lely ;P
Also, thought I'd post this follow-up to the blog post I linked earlier:
www.kentaiblog.com/2013/03/no-comment-sarkeesian.html (http://www.kentaiblog.com/2013/03/no-comment-sarkeesian.html)
Another thought provoking post from that blog, good stuff. It's really too bad that Sarkeesian has decided to abstain from the dialog she claims to want to participate in, instead just turning it into a carefully crafted lecture to support her own views. This could damage the discourse in the gaming community at large and just reinforce stereotypes of feminists, while simply splitting the opinions into two camps instead of actually causing introspection and discussion.
I have to give it to Bob. Those two videos were done exceptionally well and really drove home what everyone's trying to say, especially when he talks about God in the first video. I haven't watched what's-her-name's vids, but now I don't think I really want to. I'm all for feminism so long as it's not fascist orientated. Isaac Asimov, aside from being a prolific sci-fi writer was also a feminist and a strong supporter of women.
I love "The Cabin In The Woods" 'cuz it turns all those tropes upside down by deconstructing 'em.That is one of the most original horror movies I've seen in years. It's fantastic!
Johnny Cage Triple Decapitation - Mortal Kombat 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG-Xj8Ly-bo#)
He could be one of those mutant freak cats with an extra peripheral toe on each paw that looks like a thumb.
I have always thought of the videogame people as... 'better' than the rest of the populace. The geeks, if you will, should have a higher level of intellect than the jocks (if we're going by my 80's high school metaphor).
Sorry guys, I still look exactly like this:
ennui 2 - なんだか退屈2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08OaJIskeJo#ws)
No you don't, you are just teasing with us and our brain, but it want affect me.......(entering into deep yoga meditation)
I don't agree with most of what the guy in Ratty's posted video says, because he seems to be missing the point.
Comically, most people who have a beef with this woman's video are also missing the point.
"Plotlines that empower women don't sell as many units" -make the games anyway. This is where indie game development can evolve the medium. Big companies care mostly about the bottom line so it is unlikely that they will pioneer this, but I have hopes that smaller studios will invest in things that will further the medium.
I think you miss the point of the video, and people like me, who do have a beef with her video. The point is, if you are going to claim research, and defend your claim, you shouldn't be doing such a half ass job, or ignoring part of the game to push your agenda.I can agree with that. However, she has succeeded in that she has us talking about it, even if there were more than a few parts of the video which show some lack of objectivity on her behalf.
Of course there are objectifying of women in games, there are objectifying of men in games. I bet, for sure, EVERYONE does it subconsciously, if not consciously. They do so by judging looks, what they have to bring to the table in a relationship (of any kind, not just between a man and a woman, love, etc.)
The video Ratty puts up does bring up stuff from what the tropes lady did not bother to bring in. Not even an acknowledgement to refute. She clearly panders to those like her, and tries to stir conversation with stupidity. She succeeded. Even if, it's not on the actual subject, but more on how she sucks at what she seems to esteems herself on.As I said, I disagree with MOST of what that guy said. The few things he said that I agree with is that she's pandering. But at least there's now an 8-page thread talking about this. Talking is how we get better. So whether you agree or disagree with what she or he have to say, the fact that we're having a dialogue is a good thing.
No. I don't get this at all. People will make games because of one of two reasons. To make money, and to make it because they want to. The vid Ratty put up also has this in the video, where he brings up the fact that if she wants more games to uproot feminist games for the public, do so by example. Make the game, and get a base to market to. That will draw more attention to it and bring more people to make games for it.I'm not sure she's a game programmer. However, if she gets enough funding, she could hire a small indie game company to do just that. So I hope she keeps getting funding, then. :)
And the trope lady also talks about women being the weaker sex... They are, it's been proven by science. So it's not a myth, and she just flat out lies. Sure, a woman can be extremely strong and beat up most men. I have ZERO doubt of that. Why? American Gladiators. Some of the women on there, would utterly destroy me, as well as most men. But they won't beat a guy who's trained himself the same as the woman.
Where's that bingo chart again? Ah yes... B5.
I don't think a woman in the real world has any bearing on what a woman in the videogame world can or cannot do. In the videogame land of superhuman feats, magic and stats, breaking the norm should not be a problem. So... moot point?
As I said, I disagree with MOST of what that guy said. The few things he said that I agree with is that she's pandering. But at least there's now an 8-page thread talking about this. Talking is how we get better. So whether you agree or disagree with what she or he have to say, the fact that we're having a dialogue is a good thing.
You mean polydactyl? Those're rad. I hope he's like a Cabbit too though-google that shit.
I <3 Cabbits! Ryo-Ohki rulz!! (no google)
...I <3 you, sir. I <3 you.
this chick's Damsel in Distress video + Jorge's thing about games don't have to be this way in this day and age
Dale Cooper is my co-pilot
Expecting her to make a game that empowers women is a little ridiculous in my opinion even with all the money she has recieved.
But she could atleast try analysing & promoting a few positive portrayals instead of focusing on damning all the bad ones in existence. She has 12 or so videos lined up and guess how many are dedicated to positive portrayals of women in videogames? one! one single video!.
So by the end of her web series everyone should be well informed on whats wrong with how women are portrayed in videogames and the various crimes we men have comitted against women but they won't know squat about why all the good ones in existence work so well at empowering women.
Actually I'm tired of saving princesses in video games..
Ok so they're pretty weak, but whatever that's how it should be.
Rondo of Blood...
The interesting thing there is that I can play with a female character and actually rescue another female characters!
That's not very cliche in my opinion, even though my female character was rescued in the first place. It's a nice twist to the usual cliche.
Anita-sama(https://castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv177%2Ftenshousouhazan%2F13503130780233.jpg&hash=b54fead373a50ba4e2542e010b0f23a9ca8238f4)
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Do you know what the problem is in analyzing the themes and biases in Mario?
Mario is not about the story.
That's not to say it doesn't have one, but I don't buy a new Mario game to find out about the next step in the Mario saga. And the Mario games that do have worthwhile stories don't include the Damsel trope as much anyway - Peach is one of the best party members in SMRPG, she shows her capability in both Paper Mario RPG games, and she is one of the Chosen Heroes (or whatever they called them - it's been a while) in Super Paper Mario. I haven't played the M&L games so that might not be as true there, but my point still stands. Analyzing the thought that went into a Mario storyline is a futile endeavor because no thought went into it.
Just my two cents.
Source or no more tentacles for you.
Ok, let's turn this thread into a Games That Empower Women thread!
Fire Emblem
Inverse Logic!
Valkyrie Profile - Shows that a woman is only good and strong if they work for a man, Lenneth for Lucian and Freya for Odin.
Metroid - Shows that a woman's only good as a mother in the end. Samus takes in the alien.
As for a man making a woman relevant or a woman only good for being a mother is 50/50. She compliments me and I compliment her were kind of one and the same we have that synergy to do incredible things .
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Can you show us some evidence?
Though Peach is often the victim, that is only because no other character can fill the role as well!I'm not going to shout objection, but them femmies would certainly jump at the chance.
I'm not going to shout objection, but them femmies would certainly jump at the chance.
If I were them, I would certainly be saying "well make up a new guy then!"
A somewhat frail old king would be rather ideal...wait, that'd cause an all-out war instead.
You know, since all the women in this thread (including the FE ones) are all good-looking, feminists would probably say they're all just there to attract the "male gaze." I wouldn't count on them being satisfied until there's a game where every single character is a fat, unattractive "person of color" who's also a genderqueer, autistic otherkin. Argh :p
What? Regular Logic?! That has no place in this!Not going to lie I do not get some of the things feminists( I have never really went into this topic at all) are trying to prove(and some examples seem to be crazy). But I'll stick to what I'm saying.
Not going to lie I do not get some of the things feminists( I have never really went into this topic at all) are trying to prove(and some examples seem to be crazy). But I'll stick to what I'm saying.Sometimes I think the more extreme ones just want to rule over men with an iron fist. :-\
You know, since all the women in this thread (including the FE ones) are all good-looking, feminists would probably say they're all just there to attract the "male gaze." I wouldn't count on them being satisfied until there's a game where every single character is a fat, unattractive "person of color" who's also a genderqueer, autistic otherkin. Argh :p
Not all feminists are like this.
Why do I feel like I'm being attacked or lumped/pigeonholed along with the crazier ones?
I would just like a little more equality here and there. I don't think it's too much to ask.
What, now I'm going to be talked about left and right because I'm for equal rights for all?
I actually applaud Nintendo.
Plus Fire Emblem has a slew of character of so many types, it's kinda great. :D
Also, not every one of 'em is eye candy, but it doesn't matter because they're capable.
I have this chick in my party all the time.
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And this one too:
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Also, LOL Prince Peasley!
Actually there isn't anything particularly wrong with any of these women.
What I like is that they represents different types of women, not just 'slender weak chick'.
Well, I suppose from my perspective, we scroll back a few pages when someone asked me if I am a feminist and I say 'yea' and why.
And then we scroll to now where it's all "I hate all these feminists who do this that and the other". But when I question it, you guys say "Not you though. I'm talking about those OTHER feminists. You know the type. **insert some stereotype about feminists**
So of course I will leer at you 'cuz either
1. you think all feminists are obsessed crazy people, which by proxy, says I am crazy and obsessed.
or
2. you do not really understand the term.
Both of these things, I find disturbing.
It's akin to saying "Man I hate that black people do this that and the other... not you though, you're alright. I'm talking about those OTHER black people. YOU KNOW THE TYPE **insert horrible stereotype about black people here**".
At least, to me.
Or, like asking someone if they're muslim and when that person says 'yes', then a few pages later hearing some stuff like 'man I hate the way muslims do this and that and the other and are so extreme... not you though, you're alright. I'm talking about those OTHER muslims... you know the type! **insert horrible stereotype about muslims**"
So of course, I will raise an eyebrow when I read these statements.
Not for nothing but you guys are beginning to sound as such.
It seems that you are misunderstanding some things, atleast I am talking of people that are obsessed with something and tries to push it in everything that they see at their front. So its not 1 or 2, its 3 - "People that are extremist, not because of what they defend or because of what they are, but because of the way that they act". We are only talking about feminists right now because the topic is about that.
They have debate classes? Nice to know since I didn't knew until now, thanks. xD
Well this is a very sensitive topic, even asking how to correctly differentiate between equal-rights activists and outright "urban amazons" could very well end up offending the one you don't mean to. I suppose it really is a matter of eloquence.
I think the issue here is generalizing and painting people with a really wide brush.
Such acts are met with some pushback, especially when you're the one being hit with said brush.
I'm not offended. I certainly haven't been an activist about it. But by the very definition of the word, I am a feminist. I'm not a 'straw feminist' (which is what seems to be the feminist 'caricature' that's being talked about here, also called 'feminazi' or 'straw feminist', like in the 2nd video the woman in the thread talks about). However, I am somewhat concerned about the lack of knowledge about this from some of the people here.
I'm certainly not the type that refuses to call the manhole cover and wants to rename it 'person-hole cover'. That's just stupid. :P
The problem is, Jorgey-sama, that every group (be it racial, religious, or whatever) has extremists the rest of them would like to keep away from. My parents are a good example of this. They're Muslim, and if you were to tell them, "you're not like *those* crazy Muslims," they'd probably agree. This is because they're lax Sunni Muslims who have little in common with...shall we say, harsher Wahabis or even the Shias (Sunnis represent the majority of Muslims, but Shias are the second largest denomination IIRC, and big in Iran). You could tell a black fella he's not like that other black dude...and if the other black dude is the "Rent is Too Damn High" guy, he might agree (XD XD).
That said, it's nice to believe that feminism is "just" about gender equality. However, at the risk of being an impertinent prunyuu, I would question whether or not *you* understand the term if you believe that. Now, I understand that this thread is just about Anita's videos rather than feminism in general, so if you think I'm going too far off-topic I'll drop the subject. I also consider you a friend, and I quite genuinely respect you. Despite all this, many of us here--not just me, but other posters as well, and I hope you have some degree of respect for all of us, or at least our intellects--seem to be fairly leery of a large subset of feminism, and perhaps feminism in general. I think at least a few of us have legitimate reasons for disliking feminism as a whole, to the extent that we'd be surprised at seeing a cool guy like you adhere to the ideology. Before feeling like we're attacking you, we might have some legitimate reasons for feeling as we do, if you'd care to hear them.
Again, though, only if you want to. I think I shall watch Anita's video right now, so we can talk about that if you want.
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"That said, it's nice to believe that feminism is "just" about gender equality...." Let me stop you right there.
Feminism: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes " Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Feminism: the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men." Dictionary.com
Feminism: the advocacy of women’s rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men." oxforddictionaries.com
Feminism: Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes." thefreedictionary.com
Feminism: The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men." The Google definition of the term.
^I support these definitions. I don't think it gets any easier to understand than that.
I believe that the sexes should have equal rights.
Perhaps there are other people who tack on other definitions or define the term with some other connotations and caveats. That's them.
By the very definition of the term as described above, since I support this, I am a feminist.
And if there are other people who support the theories on those definitions above, then they too, are feminists. They may not be activist feminists holding up signs outside places of government, etc. but that doesn't stop it from being any more true.
Separatist feminism: Advocates separation from men, physically, emotionally, psychologically, and spiritually. Argues for women-only spaces, large and small, including lesbian separatist living communities, women-only music festivals, and consciousness-raising groups. Often emphasizes healing and connection between women that male-patriarchal spaces prohibit. Sometimes promotes spelling “women” as “womyn” in order to remove “men” from the word “women.”