Topic: "Tropes vs Women in Video Games" Launches

[Super Waffle]

Source or no more tentacles for you.

Yayoi Kise from Smile Precure.

I've written fanfics about her.

[TheouAegis]

Another game that empowers women... kinda: Power Instinct

THE BOSSES ARE WOMEN




How do feminists feel about stories like in Ju-On? Where sure, the women are abused or killed, but then they get their revenge and kill people and scare the piss out of guys that meet up with them? I think that's kinda empowering.  That reminds me too of that Fatal Frame series too. Female leads (and antagonists). Feminists need to highlight the games that demonstrate what they want, not just continually bash games that don't conform to their agenda.

Ok, let's turn this thread into a Games That Empower Women thread!

Power Instinct
Fatal Frame
Metroid
Pokemon... in a way
Fire Emblem
Final Fantasy Tactics

[C Belmont]

How about:
Monster World IV
Giana sisters
Beyond good and evil
Valkyrie Profile
& Odin Sphere

[Kale]

Inverse Logic!

Valkyrie Profile - Shows that a woman is only good and strong if they work for a man, Lenneth for Lucian and Freya for Odin.
Odin Sphere - Shows that even strong women are weak. Gwendolyn as powerful as she is, is taken and forced to marry against her will, and given away as an object.
Fatal Frame - Shows that women are too stupid to realize that ghosts are not real.
Metroid - Shows that a woman's only good as a mother in the end. Samus takes in the alien.
Pokemon - Female characters second to the main male character. It's only recently that this isn't the case! Feminism for the win!! woo and yadda yadda yadda
Final Fantasy Tactics - Damsel in distress. Agrias is useless and lets the princess get captured. Agrias relies on Ramza to try to save her. Ovelia, and Alma both get captured. Teta is captured and killed, and abandoned like an object.

[VladCT]

Welp, time to drop a package I have no idea what's inside...
Arcana Heart.
Yeah, they're all practically moeblobs, but they can kick your ass six ways to Sunday.
Though as I said, I have no idea about the story, and consequently, how empowering they really are to women.

By the way, what do you think will happen if we make a satirical game that stars a Mary-Sue as the protagonist?

[Neobelmont]

Ok, let's turn this thread into a Games That Empower Women thread!

Fire Emblem

Like I already said not only do the women in FE have beauty but, good character as well.

I remember in fire emblem 7 in one chapter in Lyn's story she was denied help from a lord because of her sacaean blood . Yeah she was hurt  but she trucked along and saved her granddad in the end, Point is Lyn is awesome. Not only that she is perhaps the first VG girl I had a big crush on. carrie was nothing compared to her 

Inverse Logic!

Valkyrie Profile - Shows that a woman is only good and strong if they work for a man, Lenneth for Lucian and Freya for Odin.
Metroid - Shows that a woman's only good as a mother in the end. Samus takes in the alien.

As for a man making a woman relevant or a woman only good for being a mother is 50/50. She compliments me and I compliment her were kind of one and the same we have that synergy to do incredible things .



After all it takes two to tango

[Kale]

As for a man making a woman relevant or a woman only good for being a mother is 50/50. She compliments me and I compliment her were kind of one and the same we have that synergy to do incredible things .

What? Regular Logic?! That has no place in this!

[Lilfut]

Can you show us some evidence?

According to this interview with Shigeru Miyamoto, Miyamoto does not concern himself with the character's roles in the story that much. He says the various characters take on different roles corresponding to the specific game! Though Peach is often the victim, that is only because no other character can fill the role as well!

[VladCT]

Though Peach is often the victim, that is only because no other character can fill the role as well!

I'm not going to shout objection, but them femmies would certainly jump at the chance.

[Lilfut]

I'm not going to shout objection, but them femmies would certainly jump at the chance.

Can you give an example of a male character that currently exists in Mario canon who would have the right balance of political power and helplessness?

[VladCT]

If I were them, I would certainly be saying "well make up a new guy then!"
A somewhat frail old king would be rather ideal...wait, that'd cause an all-out war instead.

[Lelygax]

Its seems about the "story" for me...

If I were them, I would certainly be saying "well make up a new guy then!"
A somewhat frail old king would be rather ideal...wait, that'd cause an all-out war instead.

[Inccubus]

Has anyone mentioned how a lot of this is all open to interpretations and is pretty much all subjective to a large degree? 

[Lelygax]

We know.

[Gunlord]

You know, since all the women in this thread (including the FE ones) are all good-looking, feminists would probably say they're all just there to attract the "male gaze." I wouldn't count on them being satisfied until there's a game where every single character is a fat, unattractive "person of color" who's also a genderqueer, autistic otherkin. Argh :p