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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Intersection on April 05, 2014, 11:26:48 AM
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After reading through pages and pages of discussion, I feel that there's still something that needs to be made clear. Lords of Shadow 2 is finished. No additional content is planned or being made, and there probably won't be any further releases past some "Ultimate LoS collection" Konami is bound to market. In fact, the entire Lords of Shadow series has ended. MercurySteam admittedly isn't even working on Castlevania anymore.
So why are we even trying to imagine a Sonia Victor Simon DLC, the Belmont lineage, more Alucard gameplay, Victor is still alive, THE TRUE alternate ending, True Satan form, Inner Dracula, the castle is an alternate reality, eternal torture, eternal torment, eternal peace, eternal life, series closure, oh, wait, wouldn't it be cool this was actually all Galamoth's master plan to regain control of time?
Why are we still trying to tend to LoS2's festering wounds when we all know that they're far beyond repair? Why are we still bickering about how the game could have been better if when we know that it's all behind us, and even behind them? This was supposed to be a short reply, but I'm using it to start an entire thread, because there's one revelation Revelations did actually leave us with, something so powerful, so obvious, and yet that we're so oblivious to, something that should have us all bow down in joy to the Castlevania God -- so at this point, I don't care how much you love or hate or ambiguate Lords of Shadow, and I don't care about how far up or down this post will be voted -- all I care about now is this simple fact:
MERCURYSTEAM IS GONE, PEOPLE! REJOICE!
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No, Alvarez is gone, rejoice.
The MS team are some talented guys (art, music, engine, etc.), but Enric destroyed the true potential of the team. (If you want to blame it for another thing, he asked Oscar Araujo to compose the music this particular way, cf. an interview w/ Oscar).
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Because people are tired of IGA milking games, so hey, let's milk Lords of Shadow instead.
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i guess its the same reason why till this day we still discuss the hypothetical 1999 game and how it couldve been, etc.
theres nothing wrong with speculation
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A couple of reliable people told us Konami were intending to continue the series without MS's involvement. Including changing the end to suit that. So of course that will lead to speculation.
Bergaron, iirc, said that more dlc from another studio was also a possibility if the sales were good enough.
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No, Alvarez is gone, rejoice.
The MS team are some talented guys (art, music, engine, etc.), but Enric destroyed the true potential of the team. (If you want to blame it for another thing, he asked Oscar Araujo to compose the music this particular way, cf. an interview w/ Oscar).
well that would explain why mirror of fate was more like Devil may cry 2D
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Because people are tired of IGA milking games, so hey, let's milk Lords of Shadow instead.
LoS is a bull. And you can't milk bulls, lol!
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LoS is a bull. And you can't milk bulls, lol!
You can. I just wouldn't recommend it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THV5NgVdVsE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THV5NgVdVsE)
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i guess its the same reason why till this day we still discuss the hypothetical 1999 game and how it couldve been, etc.
theres nothing wrong with speculation
That wasn't really the point of my post. No, I'd be the last person to discourage speculation -- there's nothing more entertaining once you get into it. In fact, that was the reason why I made a stand-alone thread out of this post; I didn't want to spoil all of that what-iffy fun.
To be honest, I was only trying out my own version of a spontaneous declaration for MercurySteam's departure. I wrote it on a whim, and it wasn't exactly meant to be replied to; but it is what it is. You can also tell that I never was the greatest fan of what the studio did to the franchise, even though I'd found the LoS original to be a pretty decent game on its own.
Besides, LoS2 isn't exactly ripe for additional content. Its plot is downright awful, and there's only so much investment you can actually put into the game. So while a few new areas or enemies would be welcome, it's unlikely we'll see any further DLC, even from another studio.
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Well, honestly I'm glad the LoS trilogy is done. I don't get why people continue to talk about DLC when MS said that they are done with CV. Oh, and let's not forget the crap ending of LoS2. It's a nice twist, but it leaves the final game without a sense of finality.
I say we just forget the LoS trilogy ever existed and wait to see what Konami decides to do with the franchise next. Whether the company decides to make games "in house" or out source it again (which worked so well with Mercurysteam), I don't really care so long as any new games are closer to the original lore of the franchise. That being said, there needs to be another reboot because the original timeline has a lot of plot holes which I can't see being filled without removing games from the official canon and LoS is done.
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People are hungry for more Castlevania anything at this point, looks like LoS2 wasn't able to scratch enough itches.
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A couple of reliable people told us Konami were intending to continue the series without MS's involvement. Including changing the end to suit that. So of course that will lead to speculation.
Bergaron, iirc, said that more dlc from another studio was also a possibility if the sales were good enough.
This is probably one of the major reasons for the speculation. With the way a lot of publishers in the industry behave, I wouldn't really expect Konami to end the subseries just because the devs of said subseries were moving on and it was their vision. That said, are the sales of LoS2 actually up to what they expected? Whether that is the case or not may change their plans.
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Because i liked LoS, and i feel theres lots of untapped potential. Alucard played amazingly, but was relegated to a short dlc. The castle was amazing, but had to share space with the modern city, which left both feeling unfulfilled and half baked. Then the story. Despite Alvarez's horrible writing, the other guy knows his shit and manages to show in MoF and Revelations the potential of the story. The designs are cool, and the casting great.
There's like 500 years between MoF and LoS2's prologue that can fit more satisfactory story. Or maybe a follow up dlc/game to resolve the plot.
Only thing is, i don't know if id want anyone but ms to handle LoS... a konami director? Sure. But LoS is very much MS' thing, and i doubt another studio, internal or outsourced, could do it justice.
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I don't see how this thread is anything but flamebait.
Falsely premised flamebait at that.
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For better or for worse, LoS has it's fans, and fans want to see the things they love continue. Even after LoS is dead and CV has moved on, 20 years from now, I can see LoS still pining for another sequel and return to the LoS series, just like many now still want a return to the original canon.
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You can. I just wouldn't recommend it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THV5NgVdVsE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THV5NgVdVsE)
LOL!! 1Up dude!
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It would be great to at least fill in the 500 year gap when Dracula "died" and his "resurrection", then again MS said they aren't working with Konami anymore.
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It would be great to at least fill in the 500 year gap when Dracula "died" and his "resurrection", then again MS said they aren't working with Konami anymore.
Wait, so does that mean Cox's proposed Contra reboot will be handled by someone else?
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I don't see how this thread is anything but flamebait.
Falsely premised flamebait at that.
I don't flamebait, I write what's on my mind. I'd come up with it up fairly quickly, so the message might not have been understood the way I'd hoped, but I haven't seen any particularly inflamed replies, either. So no harm done.
It would be great to at least fill in the 500 year gap when Dracula "died" and his "resurrection", then again MS said they aren't working with Konami anymore.
Wasn't MS's next project backed by Konami? Or did I get my facts mixed up again?
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No, the way I understand it, MS isn't working on CV anymore. That doesn't mean that they aren't working on another franchise owned by Konami. Could be Metal Gear, Contra, etc. Who knows?
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Cox has confirmed that he and MercurySteam have moved on to another Konami franchise. I'm pretty sure the project was greenlit before LoS2 saw release, but don't quote me on that. It's highly likely to be Contra, given Cox's mentioning that it is the series that he would like to work on next.
As for Castlevania, I remember Bergeron saying that the next project was in the hands of Konami Japan, and that they expressed interest in doing another game within the Lords of Shadow universe. Whether that comes to fruition, or whether that means that the next game will be internal or outsourced are other things entirely. I'd be fine with getting some more Lords of Shadow Belmont stories, since there's plenty of room for them and I don't think the main trilogy exploited that potential enough. With IGAs departure, I doubt the old canon is coming back, as he was it's main architect, or that the new timeline is going away within the next game or so. I venture that we'll either get a new reboot, which may come off as gratuitous depending on how they do it, or they'll stick with LoS to present some series consistency for the new fans.
Or they'll drop it entirely, but Torashiro (a Konami insider from Neogaf) said that, in his eyes, Castlevania is doing better rather than worse, so I don't think that'll be the case.
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I venture that we'll either get a new reboot, which may come off as gratuitous depending on how they do it, or they'll stick with LoS to present some series consistency for the new fans.
Man, I kind of hope not. I think they shot themselves in the foot with making the Lords series a trilogy, much like how IGA came to realize that he shot himself in the foot with the timeline- it limits them too much. There's a chance a lot of people will be confused by yet another new rebooted series, especially in such a short time since LoS2.
Though on second thought, I guess they could go the KCEK or latter-day IGA route - make self-contained gaiden titles. Just toss in Carlyle's Gabula as the constant character and there you go.
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There is always the time-travelling, alternate universes shenanigans to retcon and extend the series.
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There is always the time-travelling, alternate universes shenanigans to retcon and extend the series.
I'm sure someone will come in and slap me with a "TIME TRAVELING HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF CASTLEVANIA", to which I will respond, no, no it hasn't, but I would really prefer to not have any more time traveling stuff.
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The next Castlevania will most likely be either a continuation of the LOS saga or another reboot. Going back to the original timeline will just cause confusion, even more so now that the figurehead(s) of those games are all gone. Either way it goes, the old timeline will be as good as retconned, or be know as "Canon 1".
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@e105beta:
Stop Watch begs to differ. :P :P :P :P :P
Thankfully you, e105beta, do not represent the general populace's opinion.
You also seem to be the only one implying flamebait thread. I frankly don't see it. At least not yet.
I'd like to see Aeon and St.Germain do something to clean up the timeline, but that's just me. With IGA gone, those characters are not likely to get fleshed out.
It is more likely that we'll get a Konami of Japan-handled version within the LoS universe, but dealing with other characters, perhaps in an attempt to bring Dracula back and Alucard having to stop them. There are centuries of unaccounted time for Alucard to be up and about, preventing any resurrection of his father until Satan's Followers have enough power to bring him to Earth in LoS2. Somewhere amongst that amount of time would be where any new game would take place.
Sooo... Alucard and a Belmont Descendant team up to prevent Gabula from rising, with perhaps some help from Zobek, who is also alive.
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@e105beta:
Stop Watch begs to differ. :P :P :P :P :P
Stopping time is an entirely different concept from time travel.
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^ I like you Jorge.
God a Japanese LoSVania would be the most exciting thing.
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I'm interested in this.
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I'm sure someone will come in and slap me with a "TIME TRAVELING HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF CASTLEVANIA
Relax, there's only been time travellers in two games, and specifically in Judgment it was just an excuse to have all the characters together at the same time.
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For better or for worse, LoS has it's fans, and fans want to see the things they love continue. Even after LoS is dead and CV has moved on, 20 years from now, I can see LoS still pining for another sequel and return to the LoS series, just like many now still want a return to the original canon.
Perhaps, but at this point all I'm pining for is an extended cut that retcons LoS2 and instead replaces it to fit what could have been...something that fits all the highs that the game had in terms of potential. Fat chance of that happening unfortunately.
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Japanese LoS would be bizarre. I would be fine with it as long as I still get my CV fix. The rumoured 3DS game is separate from the LoS3 rumour, so hopefully that will be something different. Maybe. :(
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I'm sure someone will come in and slap me with a "TIME TRAVELING HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF CASTLEVANIA", to which I will respond, no, no it hasn't, but I would really prefer to not have any more time traveling stuff.
Time travel never really was an integral part of CV lore. Aside from Judgment's poor excuse plot, there's only that light "time traveler" concept Saint Germain embodied, which really isn't that much to swallow, considering how little it ended up affecting the game's actual plot. It also helps that Germain is an awfully good character.
Perhaps, but at this point all I'm pining for is an extended cut that retcons LoS2 and instead replaces it to fit what could have been...something that fits all the highs that the game had in terms of potential. Fat chance of that happening unfortunately.
To be honest, as much as I'm opposed to an eventual LoS3, I wouldn't mind seeing MS refocus and release a "LoS2 reborn" of sorts, just like Square Enix did for FFXIV. It's terrible, but some part of me is still waiting for LoS2 -- hoping that MS will reveal that this was all some sort of elaborate joke, and that that the true LoS2 will be released soon, to critical acclaim...
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To be honest, as much as I'm opposed to an eventual LoS3, I wouldn't mind seeing MS refocus and release a "LoS2 reborn" of sorts, just like Square Enix did for FFXIV. It's terrible, but some part of me is still waiting for LoS2 -- hoping that MS will reveal that this was all some sort of elaborate joke, and that that the true LoS2 will be released soon, to critical acclaim...
hopefully it will be released before the alucardvania inevitably comes out
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To be honest, as much as I'm opposed to an eventual LoS3, I wouldn't mind seeing MS refocus and release a "LoS2 reborn" of sorts, just like Square Enix did for FFXIV. It's terrible, but some part of me is still waiting for LoS2 -- hoping that MS will reveal that this was all some sort of elaborate joke, and that that the true LoS2 will be released soon, to critical acclaim...
I would love something like this. I really want to like LoS2, and certain sections of it had me absolutely in awe with what it was leading to...only for it to go up in smoke. As long as the wait was for LoS2, I would not have minded waiting just a little bit more for quality control to do its job properly. Man...if the guys in charge of Revelations had been in charge of LoS2, I would have been reduced to a mindless fanboy clamouring for game of the year.
hopefully it will be released before the alucardvania inevitably comes out
Which? IGA's cancelled one, or a possible LoS universe cash grab prequel/sequel? I wouldn't mind playing as Alucard again. Revelations was a good teaser for what could have been...and a potential preview for what a 3d SotN type adventure should feel like. Whatever happens to the character though, I want Richard Madden to voice him again. Trevorcard's voice is just too good.
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Time travel never really was an integral part of CV lore. Aside from Judgment's poor excuse plot, there's only that light "time traveler" concept Saint Germain embodied, which really isn't that much to swallow, considering how little it ended up affecting the game's actual plot. It also helps that Germain is an awfully good character.
To be honest, as much as I'm opposed to an eventual LoS3, I wouldn't mind seeing MS refocus and release a "LoS2 reborn" of sorts, just like Square Enix did for FFXIV. It's terrible, but some part of me is still waiting for LoS2 -- hoping that MS will reveal that this was all some sort of elaborate joke, and that that the true LoS2 will be released soon, to critical acclaim...
It's just really sad that, for me at least, the entire wait was more rewarding than the actual game.
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@e105beta:
Stop Watch begs to differ. :P :P :P :P :P
Thankfully you, e105beta, do not represent the general populace's opinion.
You also seem to be the only one implying flamebait thread. I frankly don't see it. At least not yet.
I'd like to see Aeon and St.Germain do something to clean up the timeline, but that's just me. With IGA gone, those characters are not likely to get fleshed out.
It is more likely that we'll get a Konami of Japan-handled version within the LoS universe, but dealing with other characters, perhaps in an attempt to bring Dracula back and Alucard having to stop them. There are centuries of unaccounted time for Alucard to be up and about, preventing any resurrection of his father until Satan's Followers have enough power to bring him to Earth in LoS2. Somewhere amongst that amount of time would be where any new game would take place.
Sooo... Alucard and a Belmont Descendant team up to prevent Gabula from rising, with perhaps some help from Zobek, who is also alive.
I wouldn't mind a Trevorcardvania at all. Though there are somethings to consider if it takes place between MoF and LoS2: 1) what is Trevorcard's relationship to the brotherhood? In the LoS2 DLC, the brotherhood knights were enemies. 2) What would Trevorcard use as a weapon? His sword, the crissagrim, is what is keeping Gabula in a dormant state. So, Trevorcard can't use it as a weapon. 3) Why would Zobek help him? Better yet, why would accept Zobek's help? 4) Who would be the antagonist?
Just some food for thought.
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1) what is Trevorcard's relationship to the brotherhood? In the LoS2 DLC, the brotherhood knights were enemies.
Probably enemies, although He would likely help them against Dracula anyway. Who knows. most of Revelations is Dracula's cut content, so it's hard to say if he would actually have fought the brotherhood otherwise. The memorial at the hotel/residential building seems to imply that despite "Alucard the Vampire" being a VERY successful movie, the Church disliked it, for obvious reasons. So I assume The Brotherhood wouldn't be entirely ok with him. That said, if he's on their side and they know it, who can say? After Gabe fell, it seems they became Zealots, as evidenced by the heavy soldiers being if I remember, former criminals or something, and as such are vicious and brutal
2) What would Trevorcard use as a weapon? His sword, the crissagrim, is what is keeping Gabula in a dormant state. So, Trevorcard can't use it as a weapon.
if it's between moF and LoS2 then he can use it. Where do you think that 500 year gap comes from? LoS2's prologue takes place 500 years after MoF. As long as the game takes place before the prologue, he can use the sword.
3) Why would Zobek help him? Better yet, why would accept Zobek's help?
He wouldn't. he'd likely be in hiding, occasionally sending Necromancers after him/Belmonts, for their combat crosses or something, like in MoF.
4) Who would be the antagonist?
Dracula. As long as it's before the Prologue of LoS2.
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if it's between moF and LoS2 then he can use it. Where do you think that 500 year gap comes from? LoS2's prologue takes place 500 years after MoF. As long as the game takes place before the prologue, he can use the sword.
I didn't know that. Then again, I was thinking after the prologue of LoS2.
4) Who would be the antagonist?
Dracula. As long as it's before the Prologue of LoS2.
Again, I was thinking after the Prologue of LoS2. Though to be fair, that time span after it is like a thousand or something if I remember so thats plenty of time for antagonists to emerge and be defeated.