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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => General Castlevania Discussion => Topic started by: Yinga on September 30, 2014, 09:37:27 PM
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This is something that's kinda bothered me since I played Portrait of Ruin a while back.
Why isn't Christopher Belmont considered one of the "greatest five"?
According to PoR's timeline the Adventure games are canon, so it's not like its a canonical issue or anything.
I mean, Christopher's far from a fan favorite by any stretch, but what is it that limits him from being one of the most celebrated and noteworthy members of the Belmont clan?
His accomplishments are defeating Dracula twice, rescuing his son from under control of the dark prince himself, and typical Belmont-y things.
So, why do you think Christopher's not part of the greatest five?
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I will agree that he would have fit better than Juste, who if nothing else was out of place graphically. But as for the whole beating Dracula twice thing, he didn't actually succeed the first time, as elaborated in Adventure's ending and Revenge's backstory. Still, he came closer to the feat than any other Belmont besides Simon.
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It's especially weird when you consider that up until CV3, Christopher was theBelmont. He sealed Dracula away in the Tower of Colbert and now the Count is back in Simon's time. Simon has big shoes to fill.
That's the impression the old Japanese manuals give, anyway.
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Why isn't Christopher Belmont considered one of the "greatest five"?
Yeah I was questioning this myself. There are two versions of Simon (8-Bit and a custom 16-bit version based on CV 1's box art) but no Christopher.
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You don't actually see both Simons in the same attack. The game just randomly decides which one will appear, as it does with Trevor. Unfortunately, they gave Trevor his design from back when he was almost identical to his descendants. It would have been clearer if they used his Curse of Darkness design, or heck, even used the Fake Trevor sprites from Symphony of the Night. I mean, he was already in the Nest of Evil and everything.
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Actually, the 16-bit Trevor is Fake Trevor, only recolored brown to match his 8-bit sprite.
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Dang you're right.
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its weird how they decided to re design simon instead of using the chronicles design
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It would have been clearer if they used his Curse of Darkness design
I'm glad they didn't :P
its weird how they decided to re design simon instead of using the chronicles design
They could have used that or his SCV4 sprite. Why go to all the trouble to make only one custom sprite? And to top it off the sprite looks a little odd in the pose.
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For once an IGA game doesn't recycle a sprite and people are like "dood wtf bro u shud have recycled a sprite."
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^Hahahahaha!!
I agree that it should have been Christopher and not Juste who doesn't even really fight Dracula at all.
Would make a good little hack, though.
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They could have used that or his SCV4 sprite. Why go to all the trouble to make only one custom sprite? And to top it off the sprite looks a little odd in the pose.
Castlevania 4 isn't really part of the style. Chronicles and Symphony use the same sprites for the toad enemy, but none of the graphics in CV4 reappear in anything else. The sprites for Slogra and Gaibon are similar, but not identical.
But I like Simon's POR sprite. The white headband and the maroon armor and the sword on his belt all make him look so faithful to a design we only ever saw from the back.
And that's why this forum's banner always kind of bugs me. The end.
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it is odd, considering that they went thru the trouble of creating a LEON BELMONT sprite but couldnt bother to update christophen's spirit. its not like they forgot he existed too, cuz in japanese version of harmony of mythology, the "bullet tip" soul is translated from "soul of christopher," an obvious homage to CVA & the fireball-whip gameplay
here is a compilation that i made a while back witch consists of all belmonts that ever existed in both 8-bit y 32-bit incarnations(some of the sprites were made by me, some are not mine, and i do not care); do with these what you will
GREATEST 15
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/gabriel2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/gabriel.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/leon2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/leon.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/sonia2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/sonia.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/trevor2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/trevor.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/christopher2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/christopher.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/soleiyu.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/simon2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/simon.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/Untitled.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/juste2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/juste.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/richter2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/richter.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/nathan.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/reinhart2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/john2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/john.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/jonathan2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/jonathan.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/julius2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/julius.png)
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Castlevania 4 isn't really part of the style. Chronicles and Symphony use the same sprites for the toad enemy, but none of the graphics in CV4 reappear in anything else. The sprites for Slogra and Gaibon are similar, but not identical.
Well, to me SoTN´s Duron looks a lot like his SCIV counterpart :P?
here is a compilation that i made a while back witch consists of all belmonts that ever existed in both 8-bit y 32-bit incarnations(some of the sprites were made by me, some are not mine, and i do not care); do with these what you will
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/sonia.png)
That Sonia´s 32-bit sprite is gorgeous :D. I wish somebody (maybe Konami) makes some day a Legends remake :).
As for the thread, I think that Christopher were not that popular than his relatives. When I see the art from Belmont´s Revenge the first time, I think that the Belmont I see were Trevor :P. I agree that Chris can replace Juste, but I am pretty sure that IGA prefers Juste over Christopher to introduce him into the Greatest Five... But why is not a Greatest Six???
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In the Bible, the number 7 is the number of completion. Not that I have a clue what 7 they should pick, but it's a "holy" religious thing they could add somehow maybe...just sayin'.
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In the Bible, the number 7 is the number of completion. Not that I have a clue what 7 they should pick, but it's a "holy" religious thing they could add somehow maybe...just sayin'.
It´s true. ´Nuff said, lets Sonia Belmont be part of the Greatest Seven ;D!!!
...And I don´t care if she is not canonical :P.
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My guess for why Juste's in and not Christopher would probably be because at the time of PoR's release (3 years before Adventure ReBirth), I doubt many CV fans even knew who Christopher was at that point and hey, Juste was still pretty relevant at the time, so it makes sense that Igarashi would include him.
If there were to be a 7th member though, it'd probably have to be a Belmont (I think the in-game description mentions that it's the most powerful of the Belmont clan, not so much Castlevania heroes) who's canon according to the Igarashi timeline.
Let's see...err...we have Soleiyu and Desmond left.(Is Desmond even canon? I'm really not sure.)
Not exactly the most well-known of the clan.
I mean if we were to talk out of all the Belmonts, sure, Julius certainly counts as the 7th great member, but he's the last canonical Belmont, so that probably wouldn't work.
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My guess for why Juste's in and not Christopher would probably be because at the time of PoR's release (3 years before Adventure ReBirth), I doubt many CV fans even knew who Christopher was at that point and hey, Juste was still pretty relevant at the time, so it makes sense that Igarashi would include him.
If there were to be a 7th member though, it'd probably have to be a Belmont (I think the in-game description mentions that it's the most powerful of the Belmont clan, not so much Castlevania heroes) who's canon according to the Igarashi timeline.
Let's see...err...we have Soleiyu and Desmond left.(Is Desmond even canon? I'm really not sure.)
Not exactly the most well-known of the clan.
I mean if we were to talk out of all the Belmonts, sure, Julius certainly counts as the 7th great member, but he's the last canonical Belmont, so that probably wouldn't work.
Do not forget Sonia, dood, even if her story is not canon. She is the first Belmont... Ok, I accept it, I like Legends :P...
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It's a shame that 2-D Leon didn't lead to an LOI sequel.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/Untitled.png)
Very nice compilation, Crisis.
Where did that Desmond portrait come from though?
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For once an IGA game doesn't recycle a sprite and people are like "dood wtf bro u shud have recycled a sprite."
Not complaining at all, it's just weird as the chronicles redesign was kind of a huge change from what simon used to look like before, to see him back in a barbarian muscular look is kinda weird, isn't it?
Also no one's writing like a "hood bro" stereotype, so i don't really see the point of your post.
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I always wanted old Chris to have some updated character art.
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it is odd, considering that they went thru the trouble of creating a LEON BELMONT sprite but couldnt bother to update christophen's spirit. its not like they forgot he existed too, cuz in japanese version of harmony of mythology, the "bullet tip" soul is translated from "soul of christopher," an obvious homage to CVA & the fireball-whip gameplay
here is a compilation that i made a while back witch consists of all belmonts that ever existed in both 8-bit y 32-bit incarnations(some of the sprites were made by me, some are not mine, and i do not care); do with these what you will
GREATEST 15
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/gabriel2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/gabriel.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/leon2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/leon.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/sonia2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/sonia.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/trevor2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/trevor.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/christopher2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/christopher.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/soleiyu.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/Untitled.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/simon2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/simon.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/juste2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/juste.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/richter2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/richter.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/nathan.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/reinhart2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/john2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/john.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/jonathan2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/jonathan.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/julius2.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/julius.png)
Small correction.
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some new sprites i found on deviantart, courtesy of user/artist Drameloch (http://drameloch.deviantart.com/). vampire hunter from The Arcade, Victofer Belmont from los2, cod-outfit ralph, and quince from the novel. now the compilation is truly complete
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/hunter_zps15437f07.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/victor_zpsb794851b.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/trevor3_zps493d3f35.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/quincy_zpsa690458a.png)
quincy portrait is courtesy of our very own Jorge "Dragon" Fuentes
Where did that Desmond portrait come from though?
castlevania wiki
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Awesome! Though Quincy's hat had a wider rim in the movie and was of a different style.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/hunter_zps15437f07.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/victor_zpsb794851b.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/trevor3_zps493d3f35.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/c0mbat/avatars/quincy_zpsa690458a.png)
Nice, I need to edit a little Victor and the vampire hunter XD. I remember that Quincy that i made, I made to looks young so i only think what he can wear in the time when he was young.
Edit: That Ralph its Trevor from MoF XD