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The Castlevania Dungeon Forums => Hardcore Gaming 101 => Topic started by: Jazz Paladin Productions on June 14, 2016, 03:42:19 PM
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Okay, this is one of the few games other than Bloodstained that I am really looking forward to. Starfox Zero had the potential to be an insta-buy for me, but it would have really had to nailed the control scheme for me to have purchased it, and that seems to have been one of it's pitfalls according to many a site...
However, the new Zelda looks fun! The new video today makes the sheer scale of the environment to be enormous, fun, adventurous--if still a bit too cartoon-ish for some elements, but that's something I can easily overlook, especially given how much the history of the franchise has utilized many similar aesthetics.
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Here's the latest vid I was referring to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rPxiXXxftE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rPxiXXxftE)
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I was sold at Skyrim Zelda.
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I was sold at Skyrim Zelda.
I, too, look forward to Zelda of the Colossus.
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I, too, look forward to Zelda of the Colossus.
Out of skyrim zelda, Witcher zelda, and souls zelda, Shadow of the colossus game me the vibe after I rewatched the trailer.
And is it just me, or was the frame rate chopy? I was think it was because of the stream but, it did not look as fluid as the reveal trailer or the last gameplay video showed before this. It just looked so off to me.
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It's looks really cool to me but there's a couple of things I'm concerned with.
- The lack of airborne enemies so far
- the land still looks very vast and empty
The redeeming factors
- Link can jump and climb
- it's beautiful full stop
- finally has voices (although I pray for a Japanese option)
- some of the mini bosses (rock golem) seem interesting
- the use of technology, fuck yes
- looks highly customisable
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I wonder if it is kind of like a remake of the first zelda. Twin peaks was it called? Lots of LoZ vibes sepcifically the first one.
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...twin peaks? I don't remember that one... :-/ Did I miss something?
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The compared link crouching on a peak that was supposed to be a reference to zelda one and I recall that being the named they called it or was I mistaken?
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Wasn't twin peaks a TV show..
If the Master Sword is rusted into it's pedestal and doesn't get used in the game then it may be a remake of LOZ.
Given the original hero is resurrected I'm thinking it may take place before TP or at the end of TP's timeline after FSA.
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I don't know why, since climbing and parkour are in nearly every game now, but I marked out when I saw Link climbing the building, and even more so while he climbed that rock that, in any other game, would be impossible to climb.
I'm liking the possibilities of this, but I just had this nagging feeling of "...but is it ZELDA?" in the back of my head. Probably because of the very few enemies it showed. It'll be interesting to see more.
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I don't know why, since climbing and parkour are in nearly every game now, but I marked out when I saw Link climbing the building, and even more so while he climbed that rock that, in any other game, would be impossible to climb.
I'm liking the possibilities of this, but I just had this nagging feeling of "...but is it ZELDA?" in the back of my head. Probably because of the very few enemies it showed. It'll be interesting to see more.
Enemies are no longer randomly scattered because they now live in camps and band together apparently.
What I find cool is that the environment affects your ability to survive.
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This is looking great, no horrible gimmick controls, open world, and lacking the tropes that makes Zelda (in a bad way).
Look forward to playing it, Still can't say I like Zelda in general, the Fanbase is REALLY bad, I'd say worst than Sonic on some levels.
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This is looking great, no horrible gimmick controls, open world, and lacking the tropes that makes Zelda (in a bad way).
Look forward to playing it, Still can't say I like Zelda in general, the Fanbase is REALLY bad, I'd say worst than Sonic on some levels.
How exactly does Zelda have a terrible fan base? I see the same traits with fanbases of other games. Are you saying the fans are too critical, too fan boyish or generally bad people?
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How exactly does Zelda have a terrible fan base? I see the same traits with fanbases of other games. Are you saying the fans are too critical, too fan boyish or generally bad people?
Waaay too fanboyish
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I haven't felt this super excited for a Zelda game since Wind Waker.
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I'm still on the fence for the Zelda series. Never finished Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, Wind Waker, or Skyward Sword (not counting the ones' I've never even played). I'm just not really feeling the Zelda vibe in these games as I do with the others. It looks interesting but is that even enough to grab me in the end? Maybe if I try it out someday I will see. Ocarina of Time was the only 3D Zelda I was ever able to finish--Several times at that. I just can't help but feel that Shigeru Miyamoto is losing touch with what Zelda was in favor of something that isn't quite Zelda. I can feel that in the latter games. I'm kinda worried that it's going to be the same with this one as well.
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Waaay too fanboyish
Heh, it definitely seems that way. Gaming journalists have made it sound like the fanboy tears over Uncharted 4's less-than-perfect review scores are something new. But I remember this happening practically any time a publication scores a Zelda game any less than a 9.5.
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I think the new features sound interesting for a series that has honestly stagnated. I've really been struggling the past several years to finish Skyward Sword because kinda neat precision swinging aside, it's old hat, except maybe a few steps back from the N64 and GameCube games because the overworld is basically a hub. I mean, it's always been kind of a hub in the 3D games I guess (especially Majora's Mask), but at least it gave you the illusion that you were traveling to these areas.
I'm cautiously optimistic for an open-world Zelda game where going to the different regions is seamless. I never really grabbed hold of open-world game design but I think if done right this could be really cool. When I first played Shadow of the Colossus, I kept asking myself, "Why isn't a Zelda world designed this way?"
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It looks like a pretty cool game, but there was nothing in the trailer that screamed out Zelda! to me until the master sword shot toward the end. Granted I've played very little of Wind Waker, and nothing after that except the awesome A Link between Worlds.
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@Kazudra Nintendo fanboys are worse than Zelda imo. Even going to the extreme of defending shitty consoles.
Although I am a longtime hardcore Nintendo and Zelda fan, I don't consider myself a fanboy because I also admit that certain games and aspects of certain games are genuinely lacking.
I loved OOT but never got into MM, WW was insanely popular at the time and I hated it, I loved TP while everyone was screaming WW. (Upon playing TP the second time I saw how unnecessary the intro/ tutorials of the game were.) I believe MC as good maybe even better than ALTTP, and that ALBW>ALTTP in content but not story. The only time I've been annoyed at a reviewer's opinion was Gamespot giving SS 7.5/ 10. Not because of the score but because it slammed SS for doing things that were done much better than in previous Zelda's, and the review did not acknowledge how well the game was designed given it's control scheme and the re-use of environments, which it did very well imo as opposed to say WW which re-used certain environments without innovation. I do, however, admit I am biased towards SS as it is my favourite Zelda game.
The biggest downfall about Zelda fanboys (specifically) imo is the Zelda Cycle. Although there are other franchises with more hardcore fanboys imho. For example Purist FF fanboys who don't like any games after VI. (Fanboys only and not pointing fingers at anyone here).
At the end of the day I like certain games because I like them, some games are crap but I may like certain crap games too. Castlevania COD is a classic example. It's not a fantastic game but it evokes the Castlevania within me and I like that. I even like it better than SCVIV which I don't think is great for a Castlevania game, even though I know that technically on all fronts it is a fantastic game.
I don't find that the Zelda WW, the Oracle series or LA are particularly good games for Zelda. I admit when not liking something regardless of its title.
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Everything I've seen so far looks awesome. It's like a reincarnated LoZ1 with all the best of the modern bells and whistles.
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Strange, doesn't look like Zelda to me. :rollseyes: :-\
*remains with the Zelda games of the past*
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Everything I've seen so far looks awesome. It's like a reincarnated LoZ1 with all the best of the modern bells and whistles.
Same. Like LOZ with a plot... Remake?
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Strange, doesn't look like Zelda to me. :rollseyes: :-\
*remains with the Zelda games of the past*
Ah yes, that's how i feel about this game my self, but innovation thinks otherwise....
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So, after viewing the recent 30 minute gameplay video...
Is it just me, or does the combat seem perhaps...slow? Unexciting? Uninspired?
I want to be giddy over this aspect, but it doesn't seem as exhilarating or frantic as some of the encounters could be in previous games from what I've seen thus far. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like you can slowly pick things off without much sense of danger. Maybe it's just the open world aspect that makes it so you can't get as swarmed and run for your life to the next screen-change with hordes of mobs chasing you, but I sure hope they can retain some sense of being hunted down for a fair distance before mobs rubber-band back to their point of origin.
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Strange, doesn't look like Zelda to me. :rollseyes: :-\
*remains with the Zelda games of the past*
Of course it's not Zelda, you play as Link.
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So, after viewing the recent 30 minute gameplay video...
Is it just me, or does the combat seem perhaps...slow? Unexciting? Uninspired?
I want to be giddy over this aspect, but it doesn't seem as exhilarating or frantic as some of the encounters could be in previous games from what I've seen thus far. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like you can slowly pick things off without much sense of danger. Maybe it's just the open world aspect that makes it so you can't get as swarmed and run for your life to the next screen-change with hordes of mobs chasing you, but I sure hope they can retain some sense of being hunted down for a fair distance before mobs rubber-band back to their point of origin.
It looks like WW/ TP to me with Bayonetta's witch time "slowdown". I also don't see how it's different to OOT's combat which although well designed with lock on, was never particularly refined nor that engaging. It just worked with Zelda in 3D tbh.
This is why I was always a fan of SS' combat moreso than others. Swordplay, parrying, rewarding you for fighting well.
I'm assuming as the game progresses depending on the direction you take you will acquire more and better weapons and possibly more skills etc. Hopefully there will be a parry move.
We have to be mindful this is the start of the game which the demo is showcasing. If this is the entirety of how the game works and all enemies are this easy then it won't work.
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This is why I was always a fan of SS' combat moreso than others. Swordplay, parrying, rewarding you for fighting well.
I guess that's my main beef. SS' s combat is engaging, and I think this particular kind of environment is really the place for it to shine, rather than the Wii U screen with a redundant map that is traditionally accessible just by pausing the game...
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I guess that's my main beef. SS' s combat is engaging, and I think this particular kind of environment is really the place for it to shine, rather than the Wii U screen with a redundant map that is traditionally accessible just by pausing the game...
I agree. I was always a believer that SS combat took Zelda to the next level and finally tuned it to how it was best suited to be.
I was hoping they'd offer these style of controls and not go back to traditional "spam attack" combat. Hopefully there are enemies that you can't just strike willy nilly, but something tells me that this isn't going to happen. If anything specific strikes and timing is what both the slowdown and the bow will be for.
The gamepad has a stand anyway, the player could easily use the wiimote and nunchuck while checking the gamepad as it's on its own stand.
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If this game's got SS's combat system then I hope to god that it's been better refined. My bro loves playing the Zelda series and has finished all the aforementioned 3D ones that I could not be bothered to get through. However he gave up on SS because of the combat system alone. He wasn't able to get in a single hit on Ghirahim due to the over excessive blocking he does. Even I had trouble. After more then half an hour of nothing he shut the game off. He's never done that before with a Zelda game. And apparently this was a major complaint against the game as he looked online for tips to beat Ghirahim. Hopefully Shigeru Miyamoto got the message and will not repeat his mistake.
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If this game's got SS's combat system then I hope to god that it's been better refined. My bro loves playing the Zelda series and has finished all the aforementioned 3D ones that I could not be bothered to get through. However he gave up on SS because of the combat system alone. He wasn't able to get in a single hit on Ghirahim due to the over excessive blocking he does. Even I had trouble. After more then half an hour of nothing he shut the game off. He's never done that before with a Zelda game. And apparently this was a major complaint against the game as he looked online for tips to beat Ghirahim. Hopefully Shigeru Miyamoto got the message and will not repeat his mistake.
For what it's worth, Miyamoto has nothing to do with this Zelda game.
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Sorry X, not to be offensive but I'm calling you out on that. The first Girahim encounter is the most difficult for a few reasons. Firstly if you've never played the game before it takes getting used to, second you have the least amount of hearts and finally the blocks are there so the player has to attack a certain way to counter, it's not a block that you can't punish. If you attack right you create chain attacks and kill him in no time. As the player progresses through the game the encounters get easier due to more hearts, more mastery and the fact the player improves.
While I've heard about technical issues due to certain wiimote plus controllers I've never read complaints pertaining specifically to Girahim, not that I'm claiming they're non existent. I've known people who claimed the wmplus wasn't that great but they still managed to finish the game without too many issues.
I'm curious as to how long you both played for, you mention you tried as well and it was after 30 minutes. My memory is vague about the timeframe but I would say the fight itself took around 15 and probably took me a few goes to suss out what to do. I may have spent an hour fighting this boss and in my opinion it was a big part of the learning curve that set up the rest of the game. That's my two cents.
If they don't include specifically wmplus controls so be it, but enemies better have techniques and methods to guard against regular attacks.
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Problem with Wii controls is that if not 100% set up properly (though it'll help if it had some sort of setup program that measures accuracy in detail) there will be read problems.
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Problem with Wii controls is that if not 100% set up properly (though it'll help if it had some sort of setup program that measures accuracy in detail) there will be read problems.
Exactly right.
Half the time the sensitivity is not set properly, which is also relative to how far away the wiimote is from the sensor bar. Setting it too high or too low can eff up the gameplay or make it feel unresponsive. Other devices can also cause interference though in my experience they're few and far between.
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I do have the wiimote plus so I was all good on that end.