Topic: Lords of Shadow - Where in the timeline (Spoilers)

[DragonSlayr81]

Hmmm, fitting it all together? In a fanfic-type of way, you could do it like this(but remember, this is only with the info we have RIGHT NOW, because any DLC or additional stories could mix it up):

1. Gabriel is father of both Mathias and Leon, but with different women. Percautions were made with Leon to keep him from being born as a Dhampyr(if Gabriel had become a vampire by then). Both inherit half of their father's powers(Mathias inherits darkness, Leon inherits light). Leon's raised as a Belmont, his mother is a Baroness. Mathias raised as a Cronqvist, learning the dark arts of Alchemy, creating the Crimson Stone and becoming allies with Death.

2. Rinaldo Gandolfi in LoS is LoI's Rinaldo's father(LoI is Rinaldo Gandolfi Jr.). Rinaldo Sr. teaches his son the art of Alchemy.

3. Gabriel, himself, becomes Dracul, and disappears, while his older son, Mathias, befriends Leon, and the two are unaware that they are, in fact, half-brothers. The enter the military together and prove lead their men to victory. Prior to this, Mathias marries Elisabetha, and Leon courts Sara.

4. Elisabetha dies, Mathias goes crazy, and contructs a way to scorn God. Tricks Leon into killing Walter, then becomes a powerful vampire. Mathias leaves Leon to fight Death. Leon becomes the first "Belmont" of the "Vampire Hunting lineage". Mathias goes off into the world, building his nation, and eventually goes to seek out the father who abandoned him.

5. Mathias meets Gabriel, now under the name Dracul, and is turned away(Dracul wishes to be left alone). But realizing that he is his father's son nonetheless, he sheds his name as Mathias Cronqvist, and dons the name of Dracula(Son of Dracul, the Dragon).

6. Hundreds of years later, he rules his domain in Romania as Dracula Vlad Tepes, falls in love with another woman(Lisa), who bares him a child(Alucard, Adrien Tepes), but is burned to death years later from being a witch. Dracula turns on humanity, until Trevor kills him(with the help of Sypha, Grant and Alucard).

-Events of classic canon-

1999- Zobek seeks out Dracul, knowing that Satan's resurrection is at hand. The two decide to seek out Dracula(Dracul's son), who's become super powerful, to help them. Dracula's hunger for power pushes him into becoming the "Master" of Satan himself(because Dracula's the Dark Lord, and all monsters and demons will sooner or later fall under his command). Gaining powers over Satan himself, Dracula innitiates the Demon Castle War, attempting to raise Hell on Earth. Julius is sought out as the world's final hope.

[Ahasverus]

Gabriel did not ascend, what you saw there was all the light magic abandoning him, he used it to vanquish Satan. The bad part, of course, is that he was left only with dark magic and the scrolls were clear about it, dark magic corrupts people.

[Munchy]

Gabriel did not ascend, what you saw there was all the light magic abandoning him, he used it to vanquish Satan. The bad part, of course, is that he was left only with dark magic and the scrolls were clear about it, dark magic corrupts people.

Ohhh.... That makes a little more sense.

[ChibiMaddiChan]

May be my mistake, but I could have sworn this game wasn't part of the current timeline at all: only the fans are trying to force it in. I thought this game was suppose to be a 'reboot' or a different version of events and timelines. I thought Cox had already said this.

Personally, I think it better that way: makes it far less convoluted and gives the team a chance to try fresh and interesting ideas instead of being tied down by the current timeline's lore thus far.

[DragonSlayr81]

It ISN'T tied to the classic continuity, but still, seemingly people WANT to tie them together nonetheless. It happens sometimes. I mean, I even saw people trying to tie the Platinum Dune Texas Chainsaw Massacre movies to the original Tobe Hooper continuity, despite both families being different(the Sawyers in the original, the Hewitts in the remake). They try to say that the Platinum Dunes ones were two "accounts" of the many that were listed in the original(the original lists that so-and-so many bodies were recovered, or such, not just the ones killed in the movie, hence there were other instances of poor people coming in contact with Leatherface and kin), and that change of characters(families are totally different) is because some left, while other cousins showed up, blah blah blah.

[Maedhros]

People can try to tie it anywhere, in the end, it'll not be on the original timeline.

[X]

I think LoS should remain a stand-alone title from the rest of the series. Eventhough Cox is using some of IGA's characters, the game's story and direction lead it to be a reboot. Though personally I'd rather see an all original cast for this reboot and leave IGA's characters out of it. 

Satan looks nothing like Alucard. Why do you think that? Alucard is part human son of Dracula, and Dracula has yet to exist so he cannot have a son.... Alucard is not not a demonic power strong enough to manipulate events such as LOS depicts --- its THE Satan. The pissed off fallen angel who wants to rule heaven over the God. No dice.

Satan is no fallen angel. Satan is nothing more then a manipulative demon who resides in hell. As for Lucifer, he was the fallen angel in the story. But that's an impossibility since angels were crafted out of God's pure love and thus, cannot become corrupted by any primative, negative human emotions. -angel lore 101-

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[Grethor]

Thanks for all your lengthy responses guys 

Richter- Cheers for that, I hadn't realised a year had been specified that LOS was set in before LOI, damn!
I like the idea that Gabriel ascended and what's left is his evil half. I guess I have trouble believing that the big softy we've been playing as turns into that.

DragonSlayr81 - those points sound awesome to me. Who knows, the next game could be Cox's imagining of the 1999 battle, even if it isn't part of the main canon.

Just out of interest, am I the only one who thought Satan looks like Alucard? I couldn't find a picture of Satan on Google images otherwise I would compare them. Maybe it was just me!

[Kale]

Satan is no fallen angel. Satan is nothing more then a manipulative demon who resides in hell. As for Lucifer, he was the fallen angel in the story. But that's an impossibility since angels were crafted out of God's pure love and thus, cannot become corrupted by any primative, negative human emotions. -angel lore 101-

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I'm not going to claim I know a great deal on the subject... but I'm moderately sure all demons are fallen angels. Satan was one as well.

[Harrycombs]

Satan is no fallen angel. Satan is nothing more then a manipulative demon who resides in hell. As for Lucifer, he was the fallen angel in the story. But that's an impossibility since angels were crafted out of God's pure love and thus, cannot become corrupted by any primative, negative human emotions. -angel lore 101-

-X

what?

"is an embodiment of antagonism that originates from the Abrahamic religions, being traditionally considered a "fallen" angel in Judeo-Christian belief"

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

Also from wiki, "Lucifer is sometimes used in Christian theology to refer to Satan, as a result of identifying the fallen "son of the dawn" of Isaiah 14:12 with the "accuser" of other passages in the Old Testament."

So no, Satan is not a manipulative demon who resides in hell. He is a fallen angel, and God cast him into hell as punishment. And for fallen angels to exist, they must be corruptible.

[Heuss]

[Ahasverus]

^ I liked it 

I think the in-game Satan was ugly, the artwork (see my sig) is awesome, the in game one has...strange teeth

[X]

And for fallen angels to exist, they must be corruptible.

They are. Through our own primative and negative thoughts and through our lack of (or repressed) knowledge on the subject. Fallen angels make for great story-telling, but pure, infinite love can never be tainted. 

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