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Offline Mathias Hyperion

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What is the general opinion of Legends' story?
« on: July 24, 2008, 05:30:14 PM »
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It's been retconned, but I quite like it.

I must be one of the few - if not the only one - who actually like the idea of the Belmonts being descended from Alucard and Dracula (or at least find it interesting).

I like that Sonia is just one, lonely girl trying to avenge her grandfather and stand up for all of Transylvania at such a young age. I like how her relationship with Alucard is forbidden and doomed (and now that I think about it, quite Buffy-Angel).

And through all this Sonia is a strong character, as displayed through her "you poor man" dialogue with Dracula at the end.

Legends is really a tragedy. It's the tragedy of Sonia. It's the tragedy of Alucard. It's the tragedy of the Belmont clan and its origins in a forbidden love.

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Re: What is the general opinion of Legends' story?
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2008, 05:40:24 PM »
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It's OK.
It would need heavy reworking for it to be more plausable.

The part I like is the one about a gifted child born with powers from a long-line of warriors (Classic Castlevania right there), thus that person is extra strong.

I also like how the weapon origins came from that game (no longer true, but in the game you had to collect magical artifacts that would become the standard sub-weapons later).

Lastly, while I despise the bad platforming and enemy placement at times (bad usage of RAM, Konami of Nagoya, BAD!) I do not mind the castle progression, what with it going linearly as opposed to the MegaMan-style stage layout of the previous GB title.

A lot of people cannot fathom Alucard and Sonia getting together... but no one seems to mind that Dracula and Lisa got together.  They also cannot imagine the idea of the Belmonts having a little 'streak of evil bloodline' in them, but I think that, considering all the possessions that seem to happen later down the bloodline, it is quite a possibility.

Soleiyu seems to easily be corrupted, and later on the same thing happens to Richter.  If they're so strong and powerful, something like a little mind manipulation should not affect them.  I think it gives them an Achilles Heel, personally.

I'm opening a big can of worms with this reply, but maybe it'll spark some good discussion for this hot summer for people to ponder while in front of their nice Air Conditioned rooms.

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Re: What is the general opinion of Legends' story?
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2008, 01:09:39 AM »
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Yes. It turns the Belmonts into tragic heroes rather than just heroes (I'm using "tragic" and "tragedy" quite a lot here...).

That's a fair point about Dracula and Lisa. Trevor would only be one-quarter vampire, after all. (Although with Trevor being one-quarter vampire and Sypha being a witch, their child(ren) would probably be pretty powerful).

And of course the vampire heritage accounts for the Belmonts' special powers. It doesn't account for Leon's insane double-jump, but we just have to suspend our disbelief. Maybe the laws of physics are different in Castlevania and the surrounding forest.

Of course, making Alucard the ancestor of the Belmont clan post-1450 leaves a bit of a problem, as Maria Renard is supposed to be a Belmont descendant/relative. And people pair her with Alucard and make them the progenitors of the Lecarde line. However, unless the Renard line split from the Belmont line pre-1450, Alucard would be Maria's great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather (give or take a few greats). Which raises questions.
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Re: What is the general opinion of Legends' story?
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2008, 01:34:21 AM »
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but trevor having vampire blood within him would've banned him from using the vampire killer, a holy relic that banishes all evil and darkness, wouldn't it?
i mean, if a little mind corruption bans richter and soleiyu for long time from the use of it, tainting one's body and soul with the very thing the whip was created to destroy would probably never make it possible to purify the bloodline.

not to mention, alucard shouldn't even be born at the time of legends unless when lisa died in 1470 she was like 60. but she surely didn't look older than 30 then, which would make her 10 during legends.

and legends was probably the worst "orgins" for the whip anyone could come up with. it didn't explain anything, other than the whip was with the family long before the game, just like every other game.
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Re: What is the general opinion of Legends' story?
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2008, 05:24:04 AM »
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It did not at all explain the origins of the whip.  Sonia's father knew how to use it, that's all.  It kept it open.  I really meant the sub-weapons.
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Re: What is the general opinion of Legends' story?
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2008, 06:07:16 AM »
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Having the Belmont's be related to Dracula is absurd generic anime bs.  The end.
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Re: What is the general opinion of Legends' story?
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2008, 07:16:53 AM »
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and an alchemical whip isn't?

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Re: What is the general opinion of Legends' story?
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2008, 08:00:39 AM »
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I'll agree with this greatly. 

In short, I didn't like the story.
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Re: What is the general opinion of Legends' story?
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2008, 08:16:48 AM »
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Having the Belmont's be related to Dracula is absurd generic anime bs.
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Re: What is the general opinion of Legends' story?
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2008, 10:19:06 AM »
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Nope.
And you're right Jorge, it is just generic bs that is often used in anime.  DO NOT WANT.
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Re: What is the general opinion of Legends' story?
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2008, 10:24:52 AM »
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First of all, the vampire killer can not a holy weapon, even though it is usually classified as such.  After all, it gained it power from the soul of a human woman who had been bitten by a vampire, but had not yet transformed into one.  It is simply the "bane of the children of the night" (quoted from LoI). 
As far as legends goes, it is a decent story.  As stated by others, the problem is the time when Lisa was supposedly killed.  Other than that, everything can work.  After all, aren't the Belmonts suppose to be the strongest vampire hunters in existence?  Can anyone see a parallel with Vampire Hunter D?
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Re: What is the general opinion of Legends' story?
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2008, 10:33:59 AM »
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First off, Legends has virtually no story.  It is not "ok".  It is a bland pointless story full of cardboard cut out generic characters.  How can people bash PoR for this stuff and say Legends is "ok" when it is much guiltier of these things.

Also, the Vampire Killer IS a holy whip.  i twas made with Alchemy, which in the Castlevania universe "experiments with god's creation of the world".  So they are using secrets discovered through the way things have been made by god to manipulate magics and things of that nature.  Alchemy is like a religion and magic in Castlevania.  So it is a holy whip.  It is made clear in LoI that the church is crazy and that is why they consider Alchemy heresy.
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Re: What is the general opinion of Legends' story?
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2008, 11:10:49 AM »
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Nope.
And you're right Jorge, it is just generic bs that is often used in anime.
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Re: What is the general opinion of Legends' story?
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2008, 11:18:02 AM »
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I hate it.

The Belmonts are strong and powerful because they are a Holy Bloodline, blessed with divine powers (Summoning Gigantic crucifixes and weapons giving off distictive cross-shaped flashes of light upon enemy contact are in-game evidence of this)

in additon, before legends was released, Alucard dtated in SotN that he believed his blood to be cursed, and thus would NEVER allow it to mix with the belmonts.
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Re: What is the general opinion of Legends' story?
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2008, 11:21:04 AM »
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I hate it.

The Belmonts are strong and powerful because they are a Holy Bloodline, blessed with divine powers (Summoning Gigantic crucifixes and weapons giving off distictive cross-shaped flashes of light upon enemy contact are in-game evidence of this)

in additon, before legends was released, Alucard dtated in SotN that he believed his blood to be cursed, and thus would NEVER allow it to mix with the belmonts.
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