Topic: St. Germain cannot interfere

[crisis]

Why can't St. Germain have any influence on the physical realm? Any theories?

[Kale]

He can't? Didn't he like fight Hector? I'd call that interference.

[Reinhart77]

i'm figuring he's out of phase with other timelines and that he'd pass right through anything.  when time stands still, then he is able to interact with things around him, which allowed him to fight Hector at the clock/machine tower.

as far as not being allowed to interfere (such as by saying too much), i'm guessing that the powers-that-be (whoever they are) allow his type of time travel for observational purposes, but forbid interference with the natural flow of time. 

[The Last Belmont]

Why can't St. Germain have any influence on the physical realm? Any theories?

that would logically cause alot of chaos and could lead to the destruction of our world. I think that St Germain only fought Hector as a test and that he couldn't kill him anyway as he was from the future. He was just checking out Hector's moves and gauging his strength. He was able to stop time for an instant and let the two timelines sinc so to speak enough to where hector could touch his physical form but not kill him and vice versa. I mean if anybody started going back in time and doing whatever they wanted that could end up changing everything as we know it and destroying the world.

There is one other reason however that I've come up with that it would create other branches to the original timeline like DBZ that all lead to alternate futures. It may have been deemed "illegal" to tamper in St. Germain's time simply because it was looked at as immoral to do such a thing or because the consequences of doing so would be too ambiguous.

[Long John Silver]

i think he only said he can't interfere. if he did, he could change history, and possibly cause more damage than good.

imagine, what if his interference caused an important ally in the future not to be born, thus dooming the humanity. or it could even cause the belmont bloodline to die out. what then?

[erimocard]

But then again, he fights Hector, the one who will defeat Dracula, and, if the player fails, that is, also kills him.

[The Last Belmont]

But then again, he fights Hector, the one who will defeat Dracula, and, if the player fails, that is, also kills him.

Yes but that's not what's supposed to happen they hadda make it challenging and fun, if you couldn't die in the battle the fight would be completely gay. But that's not what's supposed to happen. In fact it looks like St. Germain doesn't even hurt you at all in the fight from the cutscene afterwards.

[erimocard]

In Reply To #7

Yeah, sometimes it's not easy to tell story-elements apart from gameplay-elements.

[CVfan13]

Yes, I assume St. Germain rushed at Hector, but he was able to dodge every attack, and thus knock him over, as we see in the end cutscene. The entire thing would have been cool as a short cutscene, but then we wouldn't have had that awesome battle.

[DragonSlayr81]

From my recollection, St Germain was trapped in that one room by Zead's spell. It rendered the area "outside of time", hence Germain couldn't just time hop out of it to another location. That's also how was able to control all time in just that one area. It had no affect on the rest of the world. Because that room existed outside the frame of time, Germain was able to fight Hector(Germain only couldn't interfere with the timeline itself, as everything outside of the timeline was fair game. At least that's how I understood it.

[Danial]

In Reply To #10

You are correct sir.  The Clocktower trapped Germain in a "bubble" of time.  Hector was able to enter that bubble because he doesn't move through time, at least not in a non-linear way like Germain.  I think Germain wasn't just testing Hector's abilities either.  It seems the energy or power of their battle was able to break the bubble, allowing Germain to move on.  I think Germain had an idea that might happen, so he challenged Hector.

As for his influence:  He talks about some sort of arrangement that allows him to know and observe all that is happening but doesn't allow him to interfere.  He also says he's only half there, and the only time he ever touches anything is when he and Hector fight.  He and Death seem to have a back story.  They also seem to know when each other are around, because Death makes a point of leaving before Germain shows up at the aqueduct.

Germain also mentions that he is there to "preserve the flow of greater will".  Which I assume is the natural flow of time.  I guess in the "original" timeline, Death didn't try to use the curse to play Hector and Isaac into reviving Dracula.

[darkwzrd4]

It is true that Germain is only half here.  He probably made some kind of deal in which his physical body would be out of phase with time, but his soul wouldn't and would be allowed to travel through time.  However, in return for this he probably had to agree not to interfere in matters of fate.  In other words, he can't advise someone in a way that would alter their fate/destiny.
As for how he could fight Hecter, Zead/Death likely set up a barrier that traps beings that are out of phase with time.  However, Germain didn't realize this until Hecter arrived.  As for the fight, he was probably testing Hecter like some other characters do in other games.  Though Germain did interfere with Hecter.  Think about it.  First he pleads with Hecter to stop pursuing Issac and then after the fight, Germain tells Hecter that he feels a new destiny flowing out of him and to walk the path that he is already on.

[Long John Silver]

well maybe that was his real goal.

maybe the future was acually grim, in how isaac almost kills trevor, hector then kills isaac and becomes a host for dracula, trevor bleeds to death since nobody saves him and the world is forever plunged into darkness.

and germain's goal was to change that by guiding hector, without interfering in anything else. and his work was what allowed for the current cv continuity to exist.

[darkwzrd4]

you have a point.

[A-Yty]

Like Death said: "you must not meddle with things related to fate" or something along those lines. In other words, he can't just change history or it's TIME PARADOX all around. Great scott!

I know, it's heavy.