Topic: Ecclesia Timeline?

[outofthegamer]

To answer the question in the first post: 1845.

How I know: Daniella talks about watching her grandfather train to be a Vampire Hunter, when she was a young child. And we know that all the villagers are descendants of the Belmont clan, and the last Belmont to "train as a Vampire Hunter" is Richter.

So, if Richter is Daniella's Grandfather, he had to be training in the late 1780's and early 1790's, that would make Daniella 10 years old in 1790 and 65 years old in 1845.

[GrantDaMummy]

"as far as i remember the only official timeline (as in, a list of years and the dracula-related events that happened during them) to have any mention of the n64+cotm games was the usa made gift that was thrown together from random sources for the pork+20th anniversary release, which wasn't consulted with iga.
(random sources because the quality of it varied. some images were pretty good quality, others like bloodlines were terribly lacking in details and blurry, as if they downloaded them from the internet and photoshopped)

Despite the fact you forgot that IGA actually wrote a 20th anniversary letter for that packin... We don't actually know who was behind it... It could have been IGA, it could have been someone else. Any comments on who made it exactly would be speculation at best... and rather irrelevent to any discussion...

If you want to dispute it give actual evidence and citations proving your point... Otherwise its just assumptions, and lacks credibility.

his own version of that timeline thing doesn't include the removed games and as far as i know in the latest interviews he called them gaidens/side stories/legends/stuff that didn't really happen like you said.

Actually the interviews he called them gaidens, side stories (for reference did he actually use the term "side story"?), was actually 2-3+ years ago. Those interviews are far from being the latest interviews. That info is actually from some of his older interviews... Since then later interviews actually started warming up to the n64 games and Cotm. The only one he's fully disavowed completely in recent interviews is Legends.

BTW, the 20th anniversy timeline actually came out later than most his interviews where he completely denied the n64 games. It came out the same year, but a little after the article that mentions him calling it a "side project"). But as we don't know who was behind it exactly, it could show his changes, or the US interpretation. If it was IGA then it essentially foreshadowed his use of Cornell in Judgement.

Also "side story" doesn't mean "alternate universe" or non-canon by definition. It can refer to any story that is less important to main storyline of the universe but still occurs in the universe, and it can also refer to completely AU stories. While its possible side stories can be alternate universe stories, many side stories are stories that 'really' happened in the same universe, just not important to the main events. That's a far cry from being "non canon".

So ya, I'd love to see you actually show real quotes from IGA, and not insert your own opinions on it. Show evidence and prove your point... Please stop the rampant speculation, and heresay...
 
If you can't show evidence and want to continue to spout heresay, then as far as I'm concerned you have little credibility.

[Long John Silver]

If you want to dispute it give actual evidence and citations proving your point... Otherwise its just assumptions, and lacks credibility.

stop this. i'm not assuming anything, just saying what other people said in the past, with their sources.

and btw. all you did was assume too, you never gave any proofs either.

Also "side story" doesn't mean "alternate universe" or non-canon by definition

then again, those titles are "gaidens" not side stories. similar but not the same thing as far as i know. gaidens are more of spinoffs than side stories.
here's a translated version of the most recent iga-made timeline btw:
http://castlevania.armster.org/trans_timeline.php
and *gasp* no cotm or n64 titles.

needs some updating since iga didn't update it since before pork, but there you go, your proof that iga doesn't consider them as a part of official canon.

[GrantDaMummy]

Actually you just linked to a translation of the Lament of Innocence timeline from way back in 2003. Old (2003 is not 'recent' in any stretch of the imagination)... Other timelines and sources have come out since then. If you want real evidence please post to something more recent, like say in the last year. Something that can refute Judgment. You also would need citations to refute the official 20th anniversery timeline directly. Regardless of who made, it was still released officially by Konami, and is copyrighted to Konami. You would need to evidence that Konami later disowned the source, or explained its reasonings behind the source. All I can state is that the dates are listed on the timeline, and that IGA at least acknowledged the pack-in via a special letter printed with it. How much actual say so he had with the material is anyone's guess. But to totally refute that source you would need citeable evidence.

Actually I'm not making assumptions I've pointed out that we have been getting mixed signals from Konami, and IGA between older sources and newer sources. I also stated that the newer sources imply a change in direction from his original comments made years ago. I've posted dozens of his comments in this thread...

All I've asked for was proof on your part. Not your heresay based on "past arguements" that you think you remember. That shows little credibility.

Also you bring up the idea of "gaiden" from what I understand. Gaiden translates into side story. But in japanese usage of the word it can be spino-off that is canon or otherwise. So some gaidens are canon and some are not. They may not be considered prequels or sequels however, but still occur in the same universe.

[Mobius]

Ummm... Any chance we can all just agree that Order did not do a good job secifying any chronology pertaining to the CV timeline (official or otherwise)? Much of the game feels incomplete and, to some degree, a bit rushed right down to the instruction manual. In many ways, so does Judgment. As if Konami had spent too much time divided between the two games rather than focusing on one at a time. It's DoS and CoD all over again. Heck, it's Mortal Kombat 4 and MK Mythologies: Sub-Zero all over again.