Topic: My Thoughts on a New Direction the Series Can Go

[Nagumo]

At what point in the series development did the whip actually gain its mythical status as the "Vampire Killer?"  and when did that status start to be taken more seriously?  Simon's Quest for example seems to be from a era in Castlevania's life when such things weren't taken that seriously and the precedent at the time was he picked up stronger whips as the game proceeded. 

CV1, 3 & 4 : Leather Whip -> Chain Whip -> Longer Chain Whip
CV2: Leather Whip -> Thorn Whip -> Chain Whip -> Morning Star -> Flame Whip

The orginal Castlevania already talked about a magical whip passed down through the Belmont familly and some of the other classic games do as well. Bloodlines was the first to name the whip the Vampire Killer.     

[Ahasverus]

I'm not trying to be too hard, but, vampire Killer could the the most stupid name ever for a legendary weapon. ONly my opinion (I call it the Belmont whip, or the alchemy whip, or the holy whip).
But perhaps it has a double sense since Lament of Innocence. Vampire Killer doesn't only mean "What kills vampires", it could mean "The vampire that kills", and considering that the whip was powered by a vampure's blood, it could be likely (or not) 

[Lumas]

I'm not trying to be too hard, but, vampire Killer could the the most stupid name ever for a legendary weapon. ONly my opinion (I call it the Belmont whip, or the alchemy whip, or the holy whip).
But perhaps it has a double sense since Lament of Innocence. Vampire Killer doesn't only mean "What kills vampires", it could mean "The vampire that kills", and considering that the whip was powered by a vampure's blood, it could be likely (or not) 

You know in my opinion I never liked what Lament did with the whip making it a weapon of alchemy, now im not a religious person in no way but it makes more sense to me that a holy weapon could kill things that go bump in the night not something made of alchemy but again that's just my opinion.

[MeSako]

You know in my opinion I never liked what Lament did with the whip making it a weapon of alchemy, now im not a religious person in no way but it makes more sense to me that a holy weapon could kill things that go bump in the night not something made of alchemy but again that's just my opinion.

The alchemy whip is just awhip made stronger than a sword, nothing else.
It became the dark creature killer it is today when Sara willingly gave her soul to it. By giving up the very essence of her existance the whip got it holy powers.

The holy powers could probably be given to any item that way, but since the whip was strong before, it got even better now.
A whip stronger than any sword plus the power of holy united in one weapon.

[Lumas]

The alchemy whip is just awhip made stronger than a sword, nothing else.
It became the dark creature killer it is today when Sara willingly gave her soul to it. By giving up the very essence of her existance the whip got it holy powers.

The holy powers could probably be given to any item that way, but since the whip was strong before, it got even better now.
A whip stronger than any sword plus the power of holy united in one weapon.

I get what you are saying, had to think about for a quick second, an alchemically enchanted weapon would be stronger then just an average weapon. But it did not gain holy powers from Sara's soul it gained  an enchancement in it's already magical powers, infused with her hatred towards Walter for turning her into such a creature. Though in some ways it could be interrupted that it is a holy weapon given it has the power to destroy evil.

[Nagumo]

Well, according to Rinaldo, God created the world with alchemy. So yeah,

Alchemy = holy     

[Lumas]

Well, according to Rinaldo, God created the world with alchemy. So yeah,

Alchemy = holy    

Rinaldo also lives in a cabin by himself in a forest controlled by a vampire. He's obviously crazy lol.

Yeah I forgot about that little tid-bit of information so that makes more sense now.

[Kale]

I'm not trying to be too hard, but, vampire Killer could the the most stupid name ever for a legendary weapon. ONly my opinion (I call it the Belmont whip, or the alchemy whip, or the holy whip).
But perhaps it has a double sense since Lament of Innocence. Vampire Killer doesn't only mean "What kills vampires", it could mean "The vampire that kills", and considering that the whip was powered by a vampure's blood, it could be likely (or not) 

How are those names better? They are mundane imo. As for the double sense, its much like Vampire Slayer, it could mean a vampire that slays... but obviously nobody thinks that.

I like the VK name for it. It fits and ironically, no one ever thought of anything even close to it (that i've heard)

Well, according to Rinaldo, God created the world with alchemy. So yeah,

Alchemy = holy     

But isn't the Night stone and Crimson stone also alchemical? So Dracula's powers are holy?

[Lumas]

How are those names better? They are mundane imo. As for the double sense, its much like Vampire Slayer, it could mean a vampire that slays... but obviously nobody thinks that.

I like the VK name for it. It fits and ironically, no one ever thought of anything even close to it (that i've heard)

But isn't the Night stone and Crimson stone also alchemical? So Dracula's powers are holy?

Good point....the ebony and crimson stones were bi products of the philosophers stone..

[darkwzrd4]

Actually, what Rinaldo said about alchemy was:

"It is a field that experiments with God's creation of the world."

It is neither good or evil.  Remember, Rinaldo also said that "some consider alchemy to be heresy."

The fact is that like anything, alchemy can be used for good or evil.  If anything, the VK should have been called the Night Slayer for the reason that it is said to be "the bane of the Children of the Night" (which isn't exclusive to vampires).

Good point....the ebony and crimson stones were bi products of the philosophers stone..

Oh, and Lumas, Rinaldo only said that creating the philosopher's stone was the ultimate goal of alchemy.  The two other stones were accidentally created, but it isn't explicitly said that they were created at the same time as the philosopher's stone.  Then again, I could be misinterpreting this.

[Ahasverus]

Night Slayer

Best, name, EVER!

[Lumas]

Actually, what Rinaldo said about alchemy was:

"It is a field that experiments with God's creation of the world."

It is neither good or evil.  Remember, Rinaldo also said that "some consider alchemy to be heresy."

The fact is that like anything, alchemy can be used for good or evil.  If anything, the VK should have been called the Night Slayer for the reason that it is said to be "the bane of the Children of the Night" (which isn't exclusive to vampires).

Oh, and Lumas, Rinaldo only said that creating the philosopher's stone was the ultimate goal of alchemy.  The two other stones were accidentally created, but it isn't explicitly said that they were created at the same time as the philosopher's stone.  Then again, I could be misinterpreting this.

Oh i meant by-product wizard which means  a secondary or incidental product deriving from a manufacturing process, a chemical reaction or a biochemical pathway, and is not the primary product or service being produced. A by-product can be useful and marketable, or it can be considered waste.

So let me apply the three stones in that definition so you may correctly interrupt what i meant.

A by-product is a secondary or incidental product (Ebony and Crimson Stone) deriving from a manufacturing process (Creation process for the Philosophers Stone) , a chemical reaction or a biochemical pathway, and is not the primary product (Philosopher's Stone) or service being produced (Eternal Youth). A by-product can be useful and marketable (Vampires have many uses for the ebony and crimson stone), or it can be considered waste. (Fail)

[Lumas]

Actually, what Rinaldo said about alchemy was:

"It is a field that experiments with God's creation of the world."

It is neither good or evil.  Remember, Rinaldo also said that "some consider alchemy to be heresy."

The fact is that like anything, alchemy can be used for good or evil.  If anything, the VK should have been called the Night Slayer for the reason that it is said to be "the bane of the Children of the Night" (which isn't exclusive to vampires).

Also Wizard you are correct Rinaldo did state that so there for the vampire killer would be neither good or evil but since the vampire killer gets its powers from the infusion of Sara's Soul it can only be wielded by the bloodline of the man she loved and it could destroy not just vampires but any creature related to the vampire because of her hatred of Walter. With out Sara's assistance the whip would just act as just a regular whip. It was probably refereed to as the Vampire Killer because the main objective was to kill Walter, the vampire of the game but I dont recall Leon, Rinaldo, Sara, or anyone in the game actually call it  or say "This is the Vampire Killer".

[Lumas]

Also Wizard you are correct Rinaldo did state that so there for the vampire killer would be neither good or evil but since the vampire killer gets its powers from the infusion of Sara's Soul it can only be wielded by the bloodline of the man she loved and it could destroy not just vampires but any creature related to the vampire because of her hatred of Walter. With out Sara's assistance the whip would just act as just a regular whip. It was probably refereed to as the Vampire Killer because the main objective was to kill Walter, the vampire of the game but I dont recall Leon, Rinaldo, Sara, or anyone in the game actually call it  or say "This is the Vampire Killer".

Also again to continue, because I dont want to modify that last post of mine, the actual main reason it was called the Vampire Killer in the game was obviously IGA and the developers giving the whip its origin along with giving the origins of the Belmonts and Dracula.

[X]

Don't forget that the Vampirekiller also got some of it's power just being held by Leon Belmont, concidering that the Belmont blood carries mystical powers as well. The whip as it was, was stronger then any man's discarded sword. When Leon used it, it fed off the power within him becoming stronger to the point of slaying legendary monsters. Then after the ceremony with Sara it became the weapon we all recognize today.

-X