Topic: Harmony of Despair (The next Castlevania game?)

[MarquisX]

Notice, not all fans need a story or all new 2D sprites to label what could be the most fun game to date
as a masterpiece.  Remember the fun factor is what makes games greater and more valuable than
better graphics and some story that won't keep people coming back for more after the first time

(Final Fantasy XIII being one example as everything looking new and a big story, but falls flat in
replay value and entertainment value.)

But you are speaking for all the fans and the 2D sprites isn't really the case here of what this game is. Filler fun. Not a serious title that goes in the Castlevania timeline. I do admit it looks fun, but to label it a masterpiece when only a few Castlevanias earn that title is pretty out there. If anything it would be cooler to use more retro sprites rather than the DS title which would be more farmilar to nintendo DS users, not XBOX 360 owners.

 

You don't need to work for some company to be hyped for something.  High anticipation is natural.

No one has played Metal Gear Rising yet, but millions are hyped for it and spreading the word.
No one has played Marvel vs. Capcom 3 yet, but millions are hyped for it.  
No one has played FF Versus XIII yet but millions are hyped for it
No one has played Zelda Skyward Sword, but millions are hyped for it.
when FFVII was released on PSN, many were hyped for it.
SOTN when it was announced for PSN and XBLA, many were hyped and spread their anticipation for it.
And the biggest fans of the above shared and spread their hype with others, that doesn't mean
they are undercover employees.


And I don't get where you are seeing "most fans" when even message boards and polls can't accurately measure how many more fans are actually looking forward to this.  And you must also count the gamers that are not normally Castlevania fans, many of them will find this to be their favorite too!

Yeah, your hype is much different than hype I’ve see most fans do. It’s more like promoting to the point it’s down our throats. I haven’t seen too many people on the message boards to the following games you listed promote this game you are. Like I said, I could be wrong- but it does seem a tad off.

For your last statement: And I don't get where you are seeing "most fans" when even message boards and polls can't accurately measure how many more fans are actually looking forward to this.

If you are saying it is impossible for me to know how can you make a comments like “many of them will find this to be their favorite” and “not all fans need a story or all new 2D sprites to label what could be the most fun game to date
as a masterpiece.”?? You know as much as I. So how come you are only hyping this game? You seem against LoS and did you get this way for Rebirth? Just curious is all.  

[Nagumo]

Who knows?  Maybe what a person says in a past interview isn't really how they feel inside?  Maybe
deep inside, IGA likes female protagonists?

He sure doesn't like female Belmonts. One of the few things I don't like about him.       

[MarquisX]

He sure doesn't like female Belmonts. One of the few things I don't like about him.      

Then again, neither did all the developers for the classic series. Sonia Belmont only came into the picture to carry Alucard's love child and explain the Belmont’s super human powers. (Which was a horrible idea put in a horrible game)

[Nagumo]

Maybe but there were only like four known Belmonts back then. They used Simon a lot and stuff.  Agreed about the Alucard stuff though.   

[MarquisX]

IGA only made 2 Belmonts. Or the villagers...they are some girl Belmonts in there, haha. But in the classic series there is Syfa, Maria and Sonia (Who I don't even consider cannon) where in the IGA games you have Charolette, Shanoa, Yoko and Teenage Maria. So I think it's kinda equal or even IGA favored the women more than the classic series.

[Nagumo]

Yeah you got me but I believe he spoke very negative about female Belmondo's in an interview or something. I believe he also said during the middle ages a woman couldn't be a hero but going by Castlevania's universe that is total bullshit.               

[DragonSlayr81]

Oh great, this thread suddenly turned into the classic, "IGA's a sexist pig!!" thread.

[Abnormal Freak]

Castlevania resurrection wouldv'e been that game unfortunately IGA pulled the plug on it.

Source?

Err, yeah... I don't think IGA had anything to do with the cancellation of Resurrection. He wasn't even "Castlevania top dog" at the time.

[uzo]

Maybe but there were only like four known Belmonts back then. They used Simon a lot and stuff.  Agreed about the Alucard stuff though.   

Simon, Trevor, Christopher, Solieyu, Richter, and I guess on a technicality, John Morris.

[DragonSlayr81]

Source?


Err, yeah... I don't think IGA had anything to do with the cancellation of Resurrection. He wasn't even "Castlevania top dog" at the time.

Resurrection looked terrible. It looked like a smoothened version of Nightmare Creatures with a CG movie that looked like it was from some mid-90s computer game. Compare it's CG with the CG seen in Final Fantasy VIII(1999, which was when Resurrection was supposed to FIRST be released when the Dreamcast hit North America before the delays started). Maybe had there been a graphics overhaul... just maybe...

[Sindra]

Hah, I love it every time TVtropes is right.

Uncyclopedia  astutely notes that the easiest way to troll a Castlevania forum is to argue that Castlevania Legends should be canon and IGA retconned Sonia Belmont because he's sexist.

Back to the topic at hand, this game will not be a masterpiece. You can think that if you want, and prove it takes very little to impress you, but the game simply won't. There's nothing original in the least that they've shown us thus far. This is a copy-n-paste game. If you like those types of games, hey...knock yourself out. However please do the rest of us a favor and stop trying to explain how the game is going to be full of epic and win, because that's just not true. Mundane and mildly fun, probably - but not epic.

We can all still be perfectly fine Castlevania fans without having to assert that "THIS GAME WILL BE TEH AWESOME" or "THIS GAME WILL RUIN THE SERIES FOEVAH!" every other post.

[affinity]

But you are speaking for all the fans

no I never said that and never implied that.  I speak for only the fans that share my positive view about this.

Filler fun. Not a serious title that goes in the Castlevania timeline.

Just as many fans don't play these games specifically for the story or the "timeline".  They don't care if its filler or canon.  Fun is what keeps games running in the system instead of just sitting there.
At its core, it's really the gameplay that has made Castlevania successful over the years.  It's stories were never its strong point or selling point, in my opinion.  You don't need a serious Castlevania story to have the most fun/enjoyment out of it.  I think some fans forget that down the road.


I do admit it looks fun, but to label it a masterpiece when only a few Castlevanias earn that title is pretty out there.

People personally decide what is a masterpiece to them, not the majority vote.

If anything it would be cooler to use more retro sprites rather than the DS title which would be more farmilar to nintendo DS users, not XBOX 360 owners.

It's SELFISH to think only DS users would appreciate the retro sprites.  Remember the DS metroidvanias borrowed some assets from Symphony of the Night, which was born on a console.  There are Xbox360 owners who grew up with a Playstation 1.  Some Xbox360 owners even own a DS.  
And even if they are not familiar with the characters, that doesn't mean they can't or haven't done their
research about the characters and their games.


Also at this point it's useless to say "oh they should of used these other sprites because of this or this."
The game is already finalized what assets it will use and many gamers will have no problem with it, even
if they never picked up a DS before.    


 
Yeah, your hype is much different than hype I’ve see most fans do. It’s more like promoting to the point it’s down our throats.

Don't exaggerate.  You sound like you never had any profound anticipation for a game before.
Not that it's a bad thing but it isn't a bad thing being really excited for upcoming games either.  

So how come you are the only one hyping this game?

You think I'm the only one because I just so happen to be the loudest.  That doesn't mean other
hyped fans don't exist.   You only believe what you can see?


As for LoS, and Rebirth, it's different tastes what fans prefer as their ideal Castlevania.
Harmony of Despair so happens to fit closer to my preferences for a Castlevania game than those
other two.  

Anticipation, big and small, has been around for generations.

by Sindra

Back to the topic at hand, this game will not be a masterpiece.

Says who?  Your opinion and tastes?  Don't sound like some dictator who decides what is and what isn't a masterpiece to everyone.  

If a person  plays a game and decides the game is a masterpiece to them, they are not wrong.
You shouldn't let your own opinions cause you to reject the opinions of others, just because
you yourself would never consider that particular game (whatever it is) a masterpiece.

You can think that if you want, and prove it takes very little to impress you,

no it proves you are too possessed by your own preferences to accept other tastes and perspectives.
Come down your high horse and maybe you will begin to understand your opinion doesn't rule all
AND does not determine the measurement of a game's significance and value to people.

Or making it sound like people who don't think like you, have "lower" standards or some BS thinking like that.

There's nothing original in the least that they've shown us thus far.

Are you blind?  Or you really don't care about playing a Castlevania game with a group of friends online
with at least 5 playable Castlevania favorites?   The castles are also designed unlike anything before in
how a boss can interact with other rooms.   And that is just the surface of this extraordinary creation!

This is a copy-n-paste game.

You sound too spoiled by new sprites and backgrounds to really understand the art and retro feel of this game.   Also you ignore the games these days that recycle assets from sequel to sequel.

If you like those types of games, hey...knock yourself out.

Why thank you.  

However please do the rest of us a favor and stop trying to explain how the game is going to be full of epic and win, because that's just not true.

Someone's positive views bother you?   I never see anyone bothered by negativity and criticisms on
boards.  I guess it's 'normal' to hate everything.    This game will be full of 'epic' and 'win' to many people who feel that way, and there's nothing you think that will change that.   Don't be so stuck up on your skeptical opinions about this game that you can't respect other people's more positive opinions okay?  

Mundane and mildly fun, probably - but not epic.

Again, your own opinion is being stated as if it were a fact, which is not.   I don't state my opinion
as some universal fact.  I know this game won't please everyone, but it will please many others out there regardless.   That should not be denied.  

We can all still be perfectly fine Castlevania fans without having to assert that "THIS GAME WILL BE TEH AWESOME" or "THIS GAME WILL RUIN THE SERIES FOEVAH!" every other post.

You misinterpret my anticipation for this and in no way did I imply my opinions as fact, it's simply
an opinion that's sincere while being mindful that my views do not apply to everyone else's views.

The only thing that's a fact is that there will be people that will love the game, and people who will hate
the game, that's all.  

[DragonSlayr81]

We can all still be perfectly fine Castlevania fans without having to assert that "THIS GAME WILL BE TEH AWESOME" or "THIS GAME WILL RUIN THE SERIES FOEVAH!" every other post.

That sentiment should be applied to both these threads(HD and LoS).

[Reinhart77]

hmm, Iga said that it's a possibility that the game might in fact come out on PS3 if it sells well on XBox-360.  man, that would be great if i could avoid buying another console i don't need or want.  same thing for Castlevania Puzzle, as the developers hinted it might come out on a different platform some day.  wonder how much patience i'll have before giving in and giving up and getting a new console...

[affinity]

hmm, Iga said that it's a possibility that the game might in fact come out on PS3 if it sells well on XBox-360.  man, that would be great if i could avoid buying another console i don't need or want.  same thing for Castlevania Puzzle, as the developers hinted it might come out on a different platform some day.  wonder how much patience i'll have before giving in and giving up and getting a new console...

Well if you have patience you can save a lot of money.     But I can't wait.  It will probably be about 6 months to a year before Harmony of Despair is released on PS3, if they do.   But better late than never, a lot of PS3-only owners will be missing out if it's not ported to PSN eventually.  PSN has great online gaming network too.