Topic: Why a Whip?

[darkwzrd4]

Hmm, out of all the whips we've had. i think the one whip that would of been super awesome in actual history has never been used in games. I am of course talking abut the Urumi. Castlevania tends to have the belmonts use a whip of either leather eurpean origin, or a chinese style chainwhip. So why not the Urumi? It's basicly a whip that functions like a sword by the use of flexible steel, and people could tie it around their waists when in need to conceal it or traveling.

An Urumi is useless against enemies.  In the US, there is a tv show called "The Deadliest Warrior" in which team consisting of an ER doctor, a biomedical scientist, and a computer programmer match up two different warriors for example, a samurai and a viking, and run tests on the weapons which are fed into a computer.  The computer then runs a battle simulation between the two warriors 1000 times and the one who wins the most battles is declared the winner.  The reason I bring up this show is that on the most recent new episode, one of the weapons used in a test was a urumi and the test showed that it is slow and takes a great deal of effort to effectively control.  Plus, it wasn't able to inflict serious damage on the dummies in the test.  This is why I said it is a useless weapon.  Even the most skilled warrior wouldn't survive long in the castle if all he/she was wielding was a urumi.

[RichterB]

D doesn't use a whip, but Doris from the first novel and film does.

I think this is the best answer, too. I think I read an interview once that said the Vampire Hunter D books/movie were influential on Castlevania. Doris Lang had the whip in Book 1 and Movie 1 in the right time in the 80s, so it makes sense. Also, consider Alucard in SotN later on. In my opinion, he is handled very much like D himself.

PS: the Urumi discussion/notes by VGuyver and darkwzrd4 were interesting.

[Aridale]

"The Deadliest Warrior"

Love that show

[X]

I'd like the show even better if all those idiots would just shove their egos in a lock box and do comparasons on a more professional level. There's nothing worse then watching or listening to somebody talking out of their @$$ like some spoiled child who's receiving no disciplin in theire entire life. And also some of the simulations were not accurate. An example would be the The Ninja Vs the Spartain.

-X

[Aridale]

yeah they talk alotta shit thats for sure. But I guess its to be expected a lil but Im sure the ppl that get em on the show pick em cause they know theyll act like that or they tell em to do it. I mean besides the demonstrations of the various weapons thered be no need for anyone but the programmer who puts all the info in to run the battles and then the show would be a commercial durin some other show

[darkwzrd4]

I'd like the show even better if all those idiots would just shove their egos in a lock box and do comparasons on a more professional level. There's nothing worse then watching or listening to somebody talking out of their @$$ like some spoiled child who's receiving no disciplin in theire entire life. And also some of the simulations were not accurate. An example would be the The Ninja Vs the Spartain.

-X

Yeah, the ninja should have won.  I think it really came down to the weapons that were tested and no computer program can be 100% accurate.  Computer programs work in a logical way and battles are anything but logical.

yeah they talk alotta shit thats for sure. But I guess its to be expected a lil but Im sure the ppl that get em on the show pick em cause they know theyll act like that or they tell em to do it. I mean besides the demonstrations of the various weapons thered be no need for anyone but the programmer who puts all the info in to run the battles and then the show would be a commercial durin some other show

Well, I agree that they could do without them giving their opinions and arguing about the results of the tests.  However, I do think that they need the ER doctor and biomedical scientist.  The computer programmer cannot assess whether a wound is fatal or not.  That is what the ER doctor and biomedical scientist are there for.

Now then, let's get back on topic.  I only brought up that show to make a point about the urumi.  That's all.  I didn't mean get off topic.

[X]

I saw that particular weapon in action and thought it might not be very reliable it is original. Once it gets going in a room full opponents they had better run for cover cause that dual bladed whip will slice and dice. 

-X

[VGuyver]

lol, the Urumi is not useless. I've seen that show, they do some things right and do others horribly. Really, if you gave them a blunt katana, they'll probably label it a useless weapon, but fact remains that the blunt katana can still sever limbs through brute force, much like a broadsword. The Urumi is not much different, it's almost no different then the whip, except heavier and less of a snap, but it can definitely cut things with the proper strength. The one thing the show doesn't seem to take into consideration is the body type of the soldiers which is partially why the tests fail. I'm no expert, but even I knw a few basic principals about combat.

[darkwzrd4]

lol, the Urumi is not useless. I've seen that show, they do some things right and do others horribly. Really, if you gave them a blunt katana, they'll probably label it a useless weapon, but fact remains that the blunt katana can still sever limbs through brute force, much like a broadsword. The Urumi is not much different, it's almost no different then the whip, except heavier and less of a snap, but it can definitely cut things with the proper strength. The one thing the show doesn't seem to take into consideration is the body type of the soldiers which is partially why the tests fail. I'm no expert, but even I knw a few basic principals about combat.

You do have a point.  It also depends on how the wielder is trained to use the weapon.

[Lumas]

Because it's radtastic.

And perhaps they were inspired by Doris Lang in the first Vampire Hunter D novel (published 1983), or its film adaptation (1985), since she uses a whip quite prominently.

One of my favorite book series I think Ive read up to the "Rose Princess" so far "Stuff of Dreams" is my favorite because of the twist.

Also D would murder Alucard.

[darkwzrd4]

One of my favorite book series I think Ive read up to the "Rose Princess" so far "Stuff of Dreams" is my favorite because of the twist.

Also D would murder Alucard.

yeah, if Alucard turns into mist, D's left hand would swallow Alucard.