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Re: Lords of Shadow Opinions (has Spoilers)
« Reply #255 on: November 17, 2010, 11:56:14 AM »
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I like Belmont's Theme too but it's just on a completely different direction from the rest of the soundtrack. Nice gradual build-up of layers and theme. But those two elements are almost absent from the rest of the tracks. It really isn't indicative of the rest of the soundtrack at all. Of course, in LoS's case, that's actually a plus for it. Would've been more interesting to see more tracks in its style, maybe even if it was used as a motif!

Also, Demon's Souls and LoS are wholly different beasts. Demon's Souls employs a lot more minimalism. It has lesser instruments, it actually incorporates the use of silence, etc. It also has fun and even evokes the feeling of old movies from the 70's while still retaining that deep desolate earthy tone with its use of brass and percussion. That familiarity with 70's soundtracks almost gives it a campy tone while Lords strives all out to be epic. Lords tries to pack in everything, tons of little orchestration techniques and all, and the tracks themselves are on this feverish pace of progression, constantly changing. The way that brass alone is handled between the two sets them completely apart. They're really opposites~
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Re: Lords of Shadow Opinions (has Spoilers)
« Reply #256 on: November 17, 2010, 12:34:36 PM »
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I know there is a heated dissussion going on now but I will like to throw in my 2 cents on the music of LOS.

I liked the music for the most part but I will agree that it's too movie like and not much Castlevania like.

Ane the best tracks in the game(imo of course) are The Courtyard, Final Confrontation and Belmonts Theme.

Also, I cannot believe that the courtyard song wasn't on the OST!

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Re: Lords of Shadow Opinions (has Spoilers)
« Reply #257 on: November 17, 2010, 01:05:45 PM »
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It's probably not in the OST because:

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I don't know if the Music Box track is in the OST, but "remake" tracks could be a problem to include in commercialized products whose royalties may go to Aurajo instead of Konami.

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Re: Lords of Shadow Opinions (has Spoilers)
« Reply #258 on: November 17, 2010, 01:09:58 PM »
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Nah I don't know about that.
Remake tracks have been changed enough where they warrant their own entry, in my opinion.  Plus it's been done before in pretty much every other Castlevania OST.  Why omit "Vampire Killer" just because it's another version?
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Re: Lords of Shadow Opinions (has Spoilers)
« Reply #259 on: November 17, 2010, 01:25:47 PM »
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Weren't basically all those CV games in-house tho?

I'm not too fresh on spanish copyright law, but I got a law degree and it's not unfathomable to assume that if they stroke a deal with Aurajo that allows him to eventually commercialize his music without the Konami label or just let him or MS get some revenues from eventual OST sales, they would by consequence lose their rights to the use of the music itself.

A "you can sell all your music but not the remixes" deal would make a ton of sense legally. Not for the fans (it sucks ass, to be honest), but hey, when was the last time the fans came first :P?

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Re: Lords of Shadow Opinions (has Spoilers)
« Reply #260 on: November 17, 2010, 01:35:02 PM »
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To be honest, I don't know about that.
That'd be an interesting reason why there weren't many memorable tracks though... but something tells me this is not the case.
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Re: Lords of Shadow Opinions (has Spoilers)
« Reply #261 on: November 17, 2010, 01:44:23 PM »
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To be honest, I don't know about that.
That'd be an interesting reason why there weren't many memorable tracks though... but something tells me this is not the case.

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« Reply #262 on: November 17, 2010, 02:14:48 PM »
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Michiru Yamane was freelance during the time of OoE and OoE also had an in-house composer as well as that Riddle remix.

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Re: Lords of Shadow Opinions (has Spoilers)
« Reply #263 on: November 17, 2010, 02:18:45 PM »
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Wasn't Yuzo Koshiro doing freelance work for Portrait of Ruin, too?
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« Reply #264 on: November 17, 2010, 03:03:54 PM »
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That hardly matters; those games were in-house, with Konami being the contractors who hired the freelance musicians. They 99% own the rights for those tunes.

LoS is outsourced to another company, and Aurajo isn't a MS employee; this complicates things further. Who owns the rights to LoS' music? Konami or MS? If it's the latter, Konami certainly made deals to protect their copyrighted tunes that were covered by Aurajo.

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« Reply #265 on: November 17, 2010, 03:05:59 PM »
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Wow, I never even thought of that possibility that they *couldn't* put those themes in.

Interesting concept.

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« Reply #266 on: November 17, 2010, 03:07:02 PM »
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I am surprise how many people dislike Araujo's tunes.

I am a fan of "Vampire Killer" and "Bloody Tears" too, but LOS soundtrack is simply marvelous...
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Re: Lords of Shadow Opinions (has Spoilers)
« Reply #267 on: November 17, 2010, 03:09:55 PM »
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I don't dislike them.  I don't feel in any particular way towards them.  I think that's more of the problem.
I am... indifferent.  Not to say they're not good (they're pretty great), but they don't seem to fit, except in some key instances.  For the most part the music is on the far back of this ride.
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« Reply #268 on: November 17, 2010, 03:18:06 PM »
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I don't dislike them.  I don't feel in any particular way towards them.  I think that's more of the problem.
I am... indifferent.  Not to say they're not good (they're pretty great), but they don't seem to fit, except in some key instances.  For the most part the music is on the far back of this ride.

We also have to admit that it's quite challenging to find a series where it would be more difficult to make an impression music-wise. The CV standard is through the roof, and it's been consistently high for decades now. The competition with past OSTs is daunting to say the least.

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Re: Lords of Shadow Opinions (has Spoilers)
« Reply #269 on: November 17, 2010, 03:21:00 PM »
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This is very true.
We've been spoiled by awesome music.  It's one of the aspects the franchise is known for.

But I suppose this means the bar is high and needs to stay as such.
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