Topic: Zobek (spoilers)

[jediblaster]

Hmmmm, so you're saying that the green energy came from Zobek resurrecting the abomination?  I don't think that since Zobek wanted Gabriel to succeed so he could kill Carmilla.  What purpose would it serve him to try and make more obstacles attack and slow him down?


As for Satan vs. Gabe(Dracul) and Zobek in a sequel,  are you serious?  If this is where the series is headed then I am getting off the boat now.  All we need is for a sequel to have a tag team effort between the two ala LOK: Defiance with Satan being the elder god.  Nah, don't want it for a castlevania game.  If they drop the castlevania name for the sequel, I would be more inclined to play it.  Dracula is the prince of darkness in a castlevania game, not satan.

[Alutwon]

It doesn't make any sense when you think about it. But I did see green electricity, the kind necromancers use.

[Valtiel]

Hmmmm, so you're saying that the green energy came from Zobek resurrecting the abomination?  I don't think that since Zobek wanted Gabriel to succeed so he could kill Carmilla.  What purpose would it serve him to try and make more obstacles attack and slow him down?


As for Satan vs. Gabe(Dracul) and Zobek in a sequel,  are you serious?  If this is where the series is headed then I am getting off the boat now.  All we need is for a sequel to have a tag team effort between the two ala LOK: Defiance with Satan being the elder god.  Nah, don't want it for a castlevania game.  If they drop the castlevania name for the sequel, I would be more inclined to play it.  Dracula is the prince of darkness in a castlevania game, not satan.

We're talking about a saga that is over 20 years old, and has seen something like 20 installments made of "dude goes to kill Dracula".

I'm ALL for having a Simon Belmont vs Gabriel von Dracul sequel to LoS. ALL FOR IT. Traditional, same-old Castlevania? I'll be there day one.

But if instead what we get is a Legacy of Kain-Castlevania hybrid, even set in modern day, with the environmental quality LoS introduced and storytelling and atmosphere that can even just get close to Legacy of Kain and an engrossing story to rival MGS... I'll be there day one too.


There's a part of my mind that has this little pornographic fantasy of Kojima falling in love with Castlevania and taking its reins and making it some sort of fantasy Metal Gear Solid, with insanely long cutscenes and centuries-spanning storylines and intrigues and so on. Yes yes I know. It's WRONG. Castlevania is fine as it is.

But imagine Kojima working his stuff in an environment where he can have his characters actually live for centuries, he can have colossal monsters without fake tecnology stunts, where he can use magic instead of nanomachines. Imagine him  fleshing out Dracula as well as he did with Big Boss and the Belmonts as well as Snake.
I know, it's wrong, but it's glorious  .

[Alutwon]

We're talking about a saga that is over 20 years old, and has seen something like 20 installments made of "dude goes to kill Dracula".

I'm ALL for having a Simon Belmont vs Gabriel von Dracul sequel to LoS. ALL FOR IT. Traditional, same-old Castlevania? I'll be there day one.

But if instead what we get is a Legacy of Kain-Castlevania hybrid, even set in modern day, with the environmental quality LoS introduced and storytelling and atmosphere that can even just get close to Legacy of Kain and an engrossing story to rival MGS... I'll be there day one too.


There's a part of my mind that has this little pornographic fantasy of Kojima falling in love with Castlevania and taking its reins and making it some sort of fantasy Metal Gear Solid, with insanely long cutscenes and centuries-spanning storylines and intrigues and so on. Yes yes I know. It's WRONG. Castlevania is fine as it is.

But imagine Kojima working his stuff in an environment where he can have his characters actually live for centuries, he can have colossal monsters without fake tecnology stunts, where he can use magic instead of nanomachines. Imagine him  fleshing out Dracula as well as he did with Big Boss and the Belmonts as well as Snake.
I know, it's wrong, but it's glorious   .

Big Boss is one of my favorite characters because he's been so fleshed out, you actually give a damn when he gets the shaft. If Kojima could make me love castlevania more than i already do then yes I'll support this.

[bucky]

What I don't understand is why he acts the way he does. When his good half ascended into Heaven, all was left was the corrupt, evil half of his spirit, yet in his monologues he sounds anything but. His betrayal of Gabriel was very abrupt...

I have to echo what Valtiel said. I didn't think it was abrupt at all, as there was plenty of foreshadowing in the monologues. I could tell early on that Zobek was hiding something. Heck, even before the game came out, that one line in the trailer ("don't you see Gabriel, you can bring her back!") sounded extremely suspect to me. He totally sounds like an evil dude.

About how he got the Devil Mask? I'm also clueless. I was wondering if I missed something obvious? Are we supposed to assume that with Zobek stalking Gabriel for the whole game, that each time a Lord of Shadow was taken down, a second piece came down with each part of the God Mask? And that Gabriel wasn't aware of this, and Zobek scooped up the other pieces?

[JR]

There's a part of my mind that has this little pornographic fantasy of Kojima falling in love with Castlevania and taking its reins and making it some sort of fantasy Metal Gear Solid, with insanely long cutscenes and centuries-spanning storylines and intrigues and so on. Yes yes I know. It's WRONG. Castlevania is fine as it is.

But imagine Kojima working his stuff in an environment where he can have his characters actually live for centuries, he can have colossal monsters without fake tecnology stunts, where he can use magic instead of nanomachines. Imagine him  fleshing out Dracula as well as he did with Big Boss and the Belmonts as well as Snake.
I know, it's wrong, but it's glorious  .

I hope this doesn't happen. I'm a big Metal Gear fan, but there's only so much of Kojima I can tolerate. He seriously lacks restraint when he tells a story, for example (like what he did to The Boss' character in the Peace Walker conversations). And plus, I would want his really long cutscenes and bizarre characters to stay in the Metal Gear series. That's what makes that series what it is...I just don't want his style to bleed over into another established franchise, I guess.

[Alutwon]

So this crazy idea just popped into my head regarding Zobek. The final cutscene implies that Gabriel hasn't seen Zobek in a long time, possibly since the necromancer's abyss. Which means the direct sequel may not have Zobek in it. We all know Gabriel's fate and that he has the power of all 3 lords (werewolf, Vampire, and necromancy) so why couldn't he be the one to create the death we know in the sequel? If you read in the bestiary it explains how necromancers are made (Zobek would give them some of his life force similar to how the necromancer boss fights work and that also explains how using some of Zobek's life force Gabriel was able to summon the pillar of light and retrieve the final piece of the mask) so why couldn't Gabriel/Dracula just do the same and make a powerful necromancer to do his bidding ala death in the old series?

[StoryisEverything]

There's a lot of parts surrounded by shadows in the plot (regarding the final scene) but after all it's only a game, who cares about storyline really.

I registered for this site specifically to respond to this comment when I saw it during a google search.

What an ignorant, moronic statement.  It's people like you that cause the general lack of respect that the video game industry still has.  If you aren't playing because you're interested in the story, ESPECIALLY for this particular game, what the hell are you playing for?  This game had boobies and blood, I guess that's what your childish little mind was into.  This game was a chore to play but had a terrific story.  Seeing a retarded comment like that actually gets my blood boiling.  If story doesn't matter, stop playing games like this.  You should be playing crap internet flash games that just require you to waste time and click your mouse button if that's how you feel.  But then people make some great Flash games, and they have plots too...who cares about storylines, right?

You're an ass.  Grow up.

[Alutwon]

[Joachim]

For sure ! But if he's doing all and kills the 3 Lords by himself, what's the game ? ^^

That's why I always tell fans to concentrate on games and not storylines which are condammed to be dull in every video game.

Just take a Mario game : Bowser doesn't to be defeated ? He just have to put an big gap between Mario and him, which Mario can't jump because of its size, and he'll be sure to win. Will Nintendo allow it ? Never, of course.

Storyline are just a mean, not the end of all things.
I've played lot of excellent with NO storyline and they remain excellent
I've also played lot of games with deep story but awful to play.

If you just want a story, please watch a movie or read a book.

Games are made to be played, not to be talked.
Is a game fun to be played or not ? Nothing else matters.

Video Games are not meant to be played, so much as they are meant to be interacted with. Discussion and contemplation is a form of interaction. The idea that gameplay is the only thing that matters and that it is pointless to talk about games is horrendously counter-productive and eliminates most of the potential that the medium possesses as a tool for storytelling or expression.

It would be ideal for a game to excel in every facet of its being, but that will generally not be the case; for this, the game should be addressed based upon its merits and its ultimate point rather than by what you perceive the definition of "game" to be. (read: pidgeon-holing is bad)

This game was a chore to play but had a terrific story.

you mispelled terrible S:

[K.G. Morder]

but after all it's only a game, who cares about storyline really.

Its because of comments like this that video games are still fighting to be considered an art form and not just childish brain junk food. (EG the reason that there are moronic govt fights over violence and or sex in videogames)

you mispelled terrific S:

And you misspelled misspelled. Also, fixed that typo in "terrific"

I registered for this site specifically to respond to this comment when I saw it during a google search.

What an ignorant, moronic statement.  It's people like you that cause the general lack of respect that the video game industry still has.  If you aren't playing because you're interested in the story, ESPECIALLY for this particular game, what the hell are you playing for?  This game had boobies and blood, I guess that's what your childish little mind was into.  This game was a chore to play but had a terrific story.  Seeing a retarded comment like that actually gets my blood boiling.  If story doesn't matter, stop playing games like this.  You should be playing crap internet flash games that just require you to waste time and click your mouse button if that's how you feel.  But then people make some great Flash games, and they have plots too...who cares about storylines, right?

You're an ass.  Grow up.

[Munchy]

Jeez, people sure get militant about storylines around here, huh?

Yeah, I didn't play LoS for the plot. I played it for the action because, really, that's what Castlevania has always been about. I do appreciate games with brilliant plots, but I don't include LoS (or really any Castlevania) among them. Folks have different priorities; I play games to have a fun time, and when that aspect of the game plays second fiddle to plot, I often come away disappointed unless the plot part of the jig really (and I mean really) holds up. With LoS, I found a sorta-fun-but-flawed action game whose plot, while having high class actors and a better grasp of the English language than its predecessors, wasn't really much better or worse than any other Castlevania plot.

But back on topic. Zobek damn well better be sporting that scythe and all those trappings in the sequel; otherwise, I will be sad.

[DingusBelmondo]

Zobek = Dracula?

[Harrycombs]

I registered for this site specifically to respond to this comment when I saw it during a google search.

What an ignorant, moronic statement.  It's people like you that cause the general lack of respect that the video game industry still has.  If you aren't playing because you're interested in the story, ESPECIALLY for this particular game, what the hell are you playing for?  This game had boobies and blood, I guess that's what your childish little mind was into.  This game was a chore to play but had a terrific story.  Seeing a retarded comment like that actually gets my blood boiling.  If story doesn't matter, stop playing games like this.  You should be playing crap internet flash games that just require you to waste time and click your mouse button if that's how you feel.  But then people make some great Flash games, and they have plots too...who cares about storylines, right?

You're an ass.  Grow up.

A great story can save a mediocre game (Xenogears for instance), but Castlevania 1 for example hardly needed to tell a story at all (guy with whip fights monsters, the end) and is one of the greatest games ever. If you want a great story, Castlevania isn't really where you should be looking. I do play some video games for their stories, but I definitely wouldn't play Castlevania for its story. Go play an RPG or a Team ICO game or something if you care about the plot. Castlevania is more about the atmosphere than anything else.

[Mr.Bushido]

I registered for this site specifically to respond to this comment when I saw it during a google search.

What an ignorant, moronic statement.  It's people like you that cause the general lack of respect that the video game industry still has.  If you aren't playing because you're interested in the story, ESPECIALLY for this particular game, what the hell are you playing for?  This game had boobies and blood, I guess that's what your childish little mind was into.  This game was a chore to play but had a terrific story.  Seeing a retarded comment like that actually gets my blood boiling.  If story doesn't matter, stop playing games like this.  You should be playing crap internet flash games that just require you to waste time and click your mouse button if that's how you feel.  But then people make some great Flash games, and they have plots too...who cares about storylines, right?

You're an ass.  Grow up.

LOS doesn't even have a so great story, so I think if we see it in that way, it ends being a pretty retarded game