Topic: Zobek (spoilers)

[Joachim]

And you misspelled misspelled.

oops

Also, fixed that typo in "terrific"

heh sorry if I do not appreciate a storyline that has a double I'VE BEEN BEHIND EVERYTHING ALL ALONG reveal within the same cutscene and relishing in every potential cliche they could have applied - yet while simultaneously legitimately attempting a serious, quality storyline. The only potentially interesting concept they had was the idea of the virtuous ascending and leaving behind their "dark" selves; but even that was squandered on "themed" baddies, being slammed down your throat by a miserable execution of the concept.

plus, uh, the confused narrative constantly saying how dark and beautiful gabriel is when the actual character quite clearly goes against that concept (until the last few minutes of the game, which had no build-up beyond that at-the-time meaningless narrative).

ad infinitum

[Ahasverus]

While I don't deny the bad delivery of Gabriel's transformation, I advocate for the overall storyline, while it's telling was kinda amateur (Understandable, Jericho had a mess of plot - simple yet convulted, it was well delivered though- and then there was scrapland that... let's forget about it, and Blade: Edge of darkness was filled with RPG cliches of the 90's -great game though-) the script was good even beyond videogame standards, the whole "falling from grace" was great, at the beggining gabriel was an epic hero, at the end a devastated man with nothing to lose, and Zobek.. ok we all knew he was bad, but we didn't know he was going to be fried so it was good too 

[K.G. Morder]

Yknow... going back to Zobek... playable Zobek would have rocked. I mean like, using his sword rather than a whip.

[Joachim]

Honestly, I think the script can only be justified within video game standards. It can appear good but only because video games have had such a knack for horrible writing in the past; if we put it alongside any measure of quality writing in literature or any other medium it kind of falls flat on its face.

I mean come on, Carmilla actually says "We're not so different, you and I". (i don't remember if it is verbatim, though: it may be slightly altered)

I would really like to provide specific examples here (I remember that narrative about dreaming being terrible, though), but I'm running up against the clock and I really must be reading some Kant right now.

[cecil-kain]

Also, I don't remember if this was touched upon, but where/when did he get the Devil Mask? I seem to remember he just randomly was holding it in one scene, never explaining where he got it from..

Zobek got the Devil Mask from Satan (the Devil) obviously.  

[K.G. Morder]

Wasnt it stated in game as well? I could swear either Zobek or Satan mention it.

[Ahasverus]

Sure, Satan said it "It was I who granted you with power" or something

[darkwzrd4]

Sure, Satan said it "It was I who granted you with power" or something

Yes, Satan did grant Zobek power, but nothing ever mentions the mask specifically.  Maybe the DLC will shed some light on it.

[K.G. Morder]

Well, one stands to reason that if the GOD mask is a heavenly device possibly made by God, or through the ascension of the founders, that the DEVIL mask is made by, yknow, hellspawn and/or the Devil.

[Munchy]

Honestly, I think the script can only be justified within video game standards. It can appear good but only because video games have had such a knack for horrible writing in the past; if we put it alongside any measure of quality writing in literature or any other medium it kind of falls flat on its face.

I mean come on, Carmilla actually says "We're not so different, you and I". (i don't remember if it is verbatim, though: it may be slightly altered)

...I really must be reading some Kant right now.

O.O r u liek mai twin? I'm going through critical theories too. He's a dense bastard, that Kant.

The line you mentioned is parroted again by the Necromancer (awesome though he is oh my god why did he have to die so quickly), and Zobek also says something way too close to "Search your feelings, you know it to be true!"

I'm willing to forgive all of Zobek's melodramatic narrator transgressions if he turns into bonafied Death, because Death voiced by Patrick Stewart would be way too awesome for words.