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Re: Should we have more 'Monster' heroes?
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2010, 02:04:03 PM »
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I was always under the impression that the "true" bloodline was from father to son and not father to daughter. I assume Morris' are descended from A Belmont's daughter which is why they have the blood but still aren't part of the main bloodline.

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Re: Should we have more 'Monster' heroes?
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2010, 05:59:37 PM »
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The Morris clan are decended of the House of Belmonts and not directly dencended. Even if they aren't Belmont in name, they do have the abillity to kill Dracula due to their blood relations. I don't believe that their blood will thin the further apart the decendants are from offspring to offspring. The Blood itself contains magical properties that transcend time and space. The Belmonts and those who're distantly related to them by blood are in essence, God's chosen champions to fight the unstoppable evil known as Dracula cause no-one else can. I also honestly don't believe for a second that the vampirekiller would in effect, kill off the user since they are still, in effect Belmonts by blood. This was nothing more then another one of IGA's attempts at a story-telling arc but the exicution was flawed.

I was always under the impression that the "true" bloodline was from father to son and not father to daughter.

This here is a type of patriarchal thinking that is very misleading since it's the women who take on the sir-name of the family they are marrying into. It dosen't matter if the first born Belmont child is a man or woman, so long as they are the first born, period. The name may be lost, but the blood will never thin. But it is of those who are directly decendant who will wield the Vampirekiller, be it a man or woman.

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Re: Should we have more 'Monster' heroes?
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2010, 10:03:15 PM »
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I was always under the impression that the "true" bloodline was from father to son and not father to daughter. I assume Morris' are descended from A Belmont's daughter which is why they have the blood but still aren't part of the main bloodline.

That's not how genetics works. 
So I'd imagine anything passed down by 'genetics' would not work that way.  Unless you're saying the Magical Vampire Killilng power resides in the Belmonts' testicles.  And even, any male with Belmont DNA would get the power, regardless of whether the parent that's a Belmont is male or female.

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Re: Should we have more 'Monster' heroes?
« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2010, 03:50:55 AM »
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It does Jorge, it does....

Well I don't claim to know how Belmont magic works but father to son has to do more with training and knowledge of the power they posses and I know castlevania isn't the most historically accurate games but if I'm not mistaken females never really inherited too much from their fathers in those times (vague i know). But I do like what you said X it makes perfect sense.

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Re: Should we have more 'Monster' heroes?
« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2010, 05:37:19 AM »
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That's not how genetics works. 
So I'd imagine anything passed down by 'genetics' would not work that way.  Unless you're saying the Magical Vampire Killilng power resides in the Belmonts' testicles.  And even, any male with Belmont DNA would get the power, regardless of whether the parent that's a Belmont is male or female.

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But it isn't genetics, is it? Wasn't the "Vampire Hunting Gene" something brought up with the American version of Dracula's Curse(just like the Poltergeist King)?

I always saw the main line of power being passed down from father to son as being similar to various curses of lore. Infamous male-only curse would be the "plague of the first born son" in the Bible. Sometimes magical curses(or blessings) aren't really PC in their working.

While I don't doubt female Belmonts DO retain some holy power within themselves(are still probably more blessed as warriors than any common human man), the ability to wield the VK whip is reserved for a male of the main Belmont family line, who carries the "Belmont" surname and passes it down to a male heir so the whip stays in the family.

Though, yeah, I can't help to think that it's both a blessing and a curse. The Morris clan is blessed by being blood relatives of the Belmont clan, but cannot wield the VK whip without sacrificing their own life. The Belmonts, themselves, cannot escape their destiny, and are always vampire killers. When taking Leon into account, he basically cursed his descendants. That they will always hunt Mathias until he's finally defeated. Sure, we think, "How cool it must be to be a vampire hunter!", but what if Simon always wanted to be a peaceful sheep herder?

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Re: Should we have more 'Monster' heroes?
« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2010, 05:43:20 AM »
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The core problem of having the "Belmont power" being simply tied to blood is that blood not only thins over the centuries - it also spreads. If there's 1 Belmont family in 1230, there will be dozens in 1600. By the time we reach the 1999 game we would have literally hundreds of people capable of wielding the whip.

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Re: Should we have more 'Monster' heroes?
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2010, 06:02:39 AM »
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Well, whenever Order of Ecclesia takes place, there are a dozen Belmont descendants right in Wygol Village. I think I even remember one of them reminiscing with Shanoa over his/her vampire hunting days.

Yet none of them had the whip.. maybe a young Quincey was in possession?


I think it was also stated that the Belmonts can't wield the whip until 1999 anyway.

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Re: Should we have more 'Monster' heroes?
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2010, 07:07:20 AM »
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I think it was also stated that the Belmonts can't wield the whip until 1999 anyway.

Thanks for reminding of the epic buildup to the game we will never get.

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Re: Should we have more 'Monster' heroes?
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2010, 07:58:00 AM »
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That was soooo lame. Ooops Richter was corrupted now no one can use the whip. What about when Solieyu was corrupted??? Loop holes man, loop holes.

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Re: Should we have more 'Monster' heroes?
« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2010, 11:42:47 AM »
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I think the "Belmont power" doesn't exist, not beyond Sypha's inherited magical power. I've always thought that the real power comes from the whip itself, it's just that the Belmonts are the only trained to weild it, we all know what happens when a non-belmont uses the whip... dies.
So the question of "why is X Belmont a hunter and his hypotethic brother/sister son is not" is simply answered: A Belmont is a hunter if he wants to. if he trains himself according to the family's lineage he will become worthy of the power of the whip; even if he's no the inheriter of the whip he could use his training to kill creatures just like any other hunter out there. Not every Belmont has to be a Hunter, the Wygol vilage is a good proof of that.
They have something on their side however, Sypha's magical genes, the problem is that they may or not manifest in a descendant, pure genetics.
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Re: Should we have more 'Monster' heroes?
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2010, 03:30:18 PM »
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They have something on their side however, Sypha's magical genes, the problem is that they may or not manifest in a descendant, pure genetics.

Which is the case for Juste (juiced). I think it was stated right in the manual that his magical abilities are taken right from the Belnades side of the family right?

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Re: Should we have more 'Monster' heroes?
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2010, 05:16:12 PM »
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They have something on their side however, Sypha's magical genes, the problem is that they may or not manifest in a descendant, pure genetics.

Which is the case for Juste (juiced). I think it was stated right in the manual that his magical abilities are taken right from the Belnades side of the family right?


You two have forgotten about one little detail.

Leon: But it has become more powerful then before.
Renaldo: That...is because of you. I hate to say it, but it seems the whip better suits you the it does me.


Before LoI came out, many fans out there including myself, felt that it was not just the whip that was special. It was that the Belmonts themselves that had some magical properties in them too. LoI only recently confirmed of what I had speculated on since the 80's.

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Re: Should we have more 'Monster' heroes?
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2010, 05:32:10 PM »
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Leon had the recessive gene of innate double jumping.

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Re: Should we have more 'Monster' heroes?
« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2010, 01:04:59 PM »
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I wouldn't mind a game where you played as a variety of the stock monsters that keep cropping up in the Castlevania games. I've always thought the variety of skeletons, Axe-Knights, were-beasts etc were a significant part of the series' identity and could make for a nice change of pace. I don't think they'd be well suited for playing as for the game's entire duration(unless it's that fabulous kicker Skeleton fellow from Aria) so you should have the option of changing character periodically.

I can't say I really care about the story that much, but for a premise, they could always have you doing Dracula's bidding, or base it around Galamoth's plot to take over the underworld(or whatever it was that he was up to), so that Dracula and Gally could have their big clash through player-controlled minions.

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