Topic: I Critique the Perfect Game

[e105beta]

Well I'm actually glad I made this post, because I had gotten the impression people DIDN'T see these things in the game. Most every time the game gets brought up in comparison to any other Castlevania game, Symphony of the Night is held up as the high standard in every aspect. I just wanted to get a REAL bearing on where the Castlevania fanbase stands.

this is so true ^^^
in my opinion e105beta you where just LOOKING for all the flaws in the game instead of just outright enjoying the game itself.
whether you enjoyed the game or not its obvious that you have some sort of resentment towards the attention and fanbase CVSOTN has accumlated over its time and felt the need to post the topic in spite of that. "judgeing by the "Perfect" game statement"

Perhaps I did make this post out of resentment, but what's wrong with that? It's simply a post. I resent the fact that this game is heralded as the pinnacle of Castlevania while I'm enjoying the game less and less than everybody else is as I continue to play more Castlevanias. I mean, when a game gets so much hype, you always get those urges to go back and play it again, and when the game falls a bit flat, you want to inform people, "HEY, THERE'S BETTER CASTLEVANIAS"

Also, I wasn't looking for flaws. I got up from the Dracula fight feeling all three of the points I brought up in my first post. I don't have the drive to play through a game LOOKING for the bad. They just accumulate as you play. The abrasive nature of my first post was to get reactions. If I was soft on the game, I highly doubt I'd be getting the discussion I was looking for.

What I would like to see is a true remake.  Not a remastering like they did for psp.  I mean a true remake with a new map, and a second castle that isn't a inverted version of the first.  No more walking on the ceiling.  The outside could look up side down, but the inside should be right side up and the bosses should be challenging.  Also, there shouldn't be weapons like the crissargrim that turn the second castle into a cake walk.  And, Death should be the hardest boss next to Dracula.  This is just my opinion though.

Agreed completely. Symphony of the Night could definitely use a "kiss of life".
Something like a SotN Redux

I didn't really think Portrait of Ruin had a better balanced ending because the new portraits were really just slightly altered designs. With the Inverted Castle, things were really shifted even if it was just flipped. The Portrait paintings were inferior rehashes of their originals most of the times. Plus, I felt the abilities bloated. You got Charlotte's owl and then a half of a hour later you got Jonathan's super jump that made the owl transformation useless.

In terms of copy pasting, PoR was as bad as SotN endgame. What I meant was that, in SotN, I'm exploring places I've already explored with enemies and bosses I can kill in a few fell swoops. In PoR, while, yes, everything is copy pasted, the enemies and bosses are still a bit difficult. While the abilities may be coming in a bit fast, it's better than SotN where you're picking up weapons that would have been considered weak areas ago.

[e105beta]

Whoops, quote instead of modify >.>

[Ahasverus]

IDK, I've always had the dream of a 3D SOTN... call me a crazy, but I bet we'll see it, somehow, someday...

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

IDK, I've always had the dream of a 3D SOTN... call me a crazy, but I bet we'll see it, somehow, someday...

me aswell lol
if IGA can fix some of the "flaws" in the original Symphony and somehow remake it into a 3D game while retaining what made Symphony of the Night relevent in the first place then i would be really thrilled by the idea
however
i have my doubts that IGA can pull it off.
i think a 2.5D Castlevania Symphony of the Night sequel would be a much better idea in my opinion

[Ahasverus]

i have my doubts that IGA can pull it off

Of course no! He didn't make the original symphony, I wouldn't let him touch a remake/reimagining, less even judging by his lastest works.
Give it to an external dedicated developer and we have a winner (Think a colaboration between Ubisoft/Konami, it's happening in the Metal Gear field, why not give japo-CV to an external EXPERIENCED team, Ubisft Montreal = Priceless Team for action/adventures)

SOTN wasn't perfect but it's a hell of a game, I played it last year after some 5-6 years and it blowed my mind again, however 85% of that love is pure nostalgia and that nostalgia has harmed the series for about 13 years. It's nice, but it's time to let it go and don't call it "The measure of every Castlevania to be released", it's not, and how many people have said it through the years, the game is little less than a (masterfully done) Super Metroid rip-off, it didn't let Castlevania to follow it's own course, to create it's formula through polishing it new tech gen by gen..  this game didn't redeem the saga in a gameplay perspective, in my opinion, it doomed it.

[crisis]

Ugh, no thanks.

While the idea may seem good on paper, there's a 98% probability that Konami or whoever they choose to outsource it to would make it inferior to the original. It's basically lightning in a bottle, so to speak.


The 3D SotN pseudo-sequel woulda turned out even worse. why do you think Konami didn't greenlight it?

[Ahasverus]

While the idea may seem good on paper, there's a 98% probability that Konami or whoever they choose to outsource it to would make it inferior to the original. It's basically lightning in a bottle, so to speak.

It depends of the team, think a THEORETHICAL colaboration between Konamy/Naughty Dog .... think they will make a bad Castlevania? Not in a million years, they could make it better even; however we know it's not going to happen until Castlevania gets out from Konami... that sounds harsh but it's true, Konami is fairly incompetent, think about it, it's well rumored that KojiPro is wanting to get independent, and KojiPro recently worked with CV, if KojiPro somehow acquired the CV brand and they get independent then bought by Take two or Sony or Microsoft or whoever, CV would be in far better hands.

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

Ugh, no thanks.

While the idea may seem good on paper, there's a 98% probability that Konami or whoever they choose to outsource it to would make it inferior to the original. It's basically lightning in a bottle, so to speak.


The 3D SotN pseudo-sequel woulda turned out even worse. why do you think Konami didn't greenlight it?

i was under the impression that they chose the European game "LOS" over the Japan title "the "posible" symphony sequel".
it doesn't necessarily mean that the game would have been a complete flop like your trying to indicate it just means they were more interested in LOS.
what would lead you to  believe or indicate that Konami can't outright make a 3d Symphony of the night?
Ahasverus has the right idea about choosing someone else to develop it so i don't see how you can just write it off as a automatic failure.
and as a said a 2.5d CVSOTN could be just what they need since as shown by DXC they really can pull off the CV feel even in 2.5d

[crisis]

what would lead you to  believe or indicate that Konami can't outright make a 3d Symphony of the night?

Oh they could make it, it just wouldn't have turned out as good as LoS;
My thoughts? A high-res Curse of Darkness with an added gimmick, while Alucard's 3D model being lifted from Judgment only with his sotn costume. I know that's how they would've done it. But when did I ever say it would be an automatic failure? It just wouldn't have been as incredible as you may see it in your mind.

And I don't want a 2.5D SotN. They would be better off making a new game instead of re-releasing Symphony again just because. As I said, despite it's flaws, the original is lightning in a bottle. They tried "updating" it already with DXC. I don't want another one.

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

Oh they could make it, it just wouldn't have turned out as good as LoS;
 

ok

how can you be so sure that it will not turn out as good as LOS?
you guys seem to love to bring of CVCOD and CVJ despite the fact that i'm sure Konami aren't stupid and have learned from those games.
don't you think that saying it will not be as good as LOS because of those 2 games is jumping the gun just a bit?

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

Seems they have little faith in development teams.

[Vrakanox]

I remember that TGS 2008 trailer that they showed. That is what I was expecting was going to be the next Castlevania game. I was so excited for it. I think it would have turned out great. Koji has had plenty of time to learn from his mistakes in past games. Maybe someday the game will come out. Would be great if it did.

[Ahasverus]

I remember that TGS 2008 trailer that they showed. That is what I was expecting was going to be the next Castlevania game. I was so excited for it. I think it would have turned out great.

Are you talking about that uninspired trailer with the 1999 CGI graphics (Really vomitive) cliched story, our favourite pussy after a hangover (Alucard, seriously, he looked uuugly) and the worst modeled hair I've seen in a respectable game? No thanks.

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

That last post was seething with anti-fanboy bile.  It's not becoming of you, man.

It wasn't nearly as bad as you're making it out to be.  Having said that, the fact remains that the trailer was too short to base anything out of.  There was no gameplay shown, from what I recall.  It was just a short little blurb.... can anyone link to it or something? 

[crisis]

ok

how can you be so sure that it will not turn out as good as LOS?
you guys seem to love to bring of CVCOD and CVJ despite the fact that i'm sure Konami aren't stupid and have learned from those games.
don't you think that saying it will not be as good as LOS because of those 2 games is jumping the gun just a bit?

It's just how I feel, dude.