Topic: Anyone thinks that LOS has a better origin story than LOI?(plz use spoiler tags)

[Evil_Tim]

There is no candles (?)

There's candles in the castle among the various destructable scenery, but they're not everywhere and it's not like any attention is drawn to them. I'd say the more un-CVish thing is there's no wall meat.

No familiar boss battles (?)

They kinda try for that with Evil Butcher and Gravedigger, and if you're pushing it you might count Olrox, Brauner and Carmilla (even though none of them are like their 2D versions), but yeah, it was rather disappointing to see generic statue-monsters when you could at least have been climbing all over Galamoth or something.

[Kingshango]

There is no Death (?)

Death is in the game at least. (debatable)

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

Death is in the game at least. (debatable)

really?

where!? *looks around eagerly*

[Evil_Tim]

Well, Zobek's narration tells us the last Lord of Shadow is Death. Thing is, you fight the Dracolich Titan instead of the final Lord, so there's no actual Death boss. (Trying to avoid spoilers here, as you can probably tell)

[crisis]

"Zobek was once a brave fighter and a sage wizard, wise above all others.
He was a good man, much loved and respected. Along with Cornell and Carmilla,
Zobek founded the order to which Gabriel belongs: The Brotherhood of Light.
Yet pride drove him to seek even more power, to fight against the evil and
injustices he saw all around him. He was corrupted by the very desire to do good
and, in the end, was punished for it. When his spirit ascended to Heaven that
fateful night, the empty corpse that he left behind became the Necromancer; an
evil reflection of everything that he represented. Lord of all the Dead, he is
death personified and with his knowledge of the dark arts none may stand against
him, living or dead."

[DarkPrinceAlucard]

ssooooe HE is supposed to be the new death?

i have to say i'm dissapointed if that true.

[Flame]

Why? because he isnt a floating legless skeleton with a scythe? what "Death" looks like personified is wholly up to interpretation. not to mention we never see his actual face due to the devil mask. all the other necromancers totally look like the classic CV death though.

now, as to what it has-

A chain whip? yes- Like in many castlevanias. Just not named vampire killer, and given a cross shaped hilt and made retractable.

Daggers and holy water? totally.

Item crush? The dark crystals count as this.

Candles? has them in the castle.

Familiar enemies? Tons.

Familar bosses? sort of, most are complete re-imaginings of the previous character. Evil butcher was originally a stage enemy

Mythos nods up the wazoo? super check. Special mention goes to Rinaldo, and his involvement in making the whip.  And the "vampire killer" extension, giving the whip it's trademark name in a way. As well as The castle belonging to the Bernhards and the fact that it is a living entity.

Platforming? yes. much like classicvanias

Familiar areas? mmmm... sort of. Theres a village, a castle, a clockwork tower, and hell. but then theres ruins of an ancient civilization and a forest, which is kind of new territory. Then theres Crows pass, which is sort of in between. Literally, both ways.

A journey to the castle? AKA the whole game does not take place inside a castle? check. much like a few classicvanias.

The Belmont in question himself? Based on the original "manly" look before they became pretty boys with Richter. He is also based around Simon's outfit from CV2.

But alas, there are no bone pillars. How can it be a castlevania game without bone pillars?

if anything, its the first half of the game until the castle that feels completely foreign.

Also, folks, again, this game was ALWAYS castlevania. It was pitched as such, and developed as such. Konami was just unsure of branding it with the trademark name for a short while and decided to reveal it as simply "Lords of Shadow" so it would be an IP, only later greenlighting the title.

Right from the Cox himself.

[Evil_Tim]

A chain whip? yes- Like in many castlevanias. Just not named vampire killer, and given a cross shaped hilt and made retractable.

It is actually called Vampire Killer a couple of times in Zobek's narration, if I remember rightly.

[le052383]

It is actually called Vampire Killer a couple of times in Zobek's narration, if I remember rightly.

I am not sure if Zobek said anything about the whip being called such (haven't beat it yet,) but the creator of the whip does calls it such.  I just gotten the stake add-on last night and the text mentions how the creator of the whip dubs the morning star the "Vampire Killer" because of the stake attatchment

[A-Yty]

Actually, if Zobek is Death, it might not be a bad idea.

[Flame]

Zobek being Death actually gives Death and Dracula an actual relationship, as opposed to Death being merely Dracula's servant.

Also, thats the thing. the whip is never explicitly named vampire killer, but the stake attachment is, and is said to have made the whip be nicknamed vampire killer.

Also, Zobek does say it. "Meet Gabriel Belmont, and his Vampire Killer" or something like that

[A-Yty]

I wouldn't go that far. I'd prefer Death as Dracula's servant. It made him stand out. Who could be more of a badass than a guy who has Death himself working for him? The thing about Death in ClasscVania was that he was never given enough room as his own character. The exceptions I've witnessed were LoI and CoD.

As for LoS' origin out or in the CV franchise, I'm not going to open that can of worms. Just saying that it's unlikely they'd admit it was originally its own thing.

[crisis]

At first I thought the Combat Cross was pretty lame, but I must admit I've grown accustomed to it. Hopefully we'll get to see Rinaldo in the DLC (but they might butcher his "image" somehow, haha)

also I think Flame is obsessed with manly men/largeness in general

Based on the original "manly" look before they became pretty boys with Richter

LoI's whipping. Only upped on steroids.

he is reminiscent of Simon from CVll, (armor) and fits in with John Morris of being built like a truck.

I always found it amusing how Morris in Bloodlines has this HUGE frame. The guy is seriously buff.

LOL just messin' with ya buddy

[Flame]

Even then, LoI just gave him a voice and small bit of personality. He was still sort of shallow. I never understood why Death serves whoever has the crimson stone. Whats in it for him? WHY did he serve Walter?

At first I thought the Combat Cross was pretty lame, but I must admit I've grown accustomed to it. Hopefully we'll get to see Rinaldo in the DLC (but they might butcher his "image" somehow, haha)

also I think Flame is obsessed with manly men/largeness in general

LOL just messin' with ya buddy

Lol. I see what you did there.

[A-Yty]

Is there a whip noise? Or just a GoWesque soft slice without balls?